RPM said:Zombie Jon Snow said:
except it was an "S" on the signage.
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redline248 said:
What if:
The memory Teddy has of Wyatt shooting the general is really of Dolores shooting Arnold?
Also, when current Dolores was walking into the office area below the church, those bodies had to be hosts left over from (what I assume was) a robot uprising. Why the hell wouldn't the park have ever cleaned that up?
Brian, you weren't the only one!
...and I beat you by 6 pages!
I didn't recall that ever being a discussion point for GOT. Here on Texags?
I think it's far more likely that Hopkins wasn't going to sign on to do multiple season of a television show. My guess is that's it for him.
The best part about this finale was that with the way they treated it, the season turned out to be about the hosts and the journey they have taken since the park opened and ultimately not about the mystery of the story line. It was beautifully done and I can't wait for 2018!
Truly great season finale to a great show. Wiped the narrative slate pretty clean so they have tons of freedom going forward. The season grounded us emotionally in the struggle of the Hosts so that when the real story comes around, meaning the revolution, we are invested with the Hosts as the main characters.
Really great.
Really great.
dave94 said:
I didn't recall that ever being a discussion point for GOT. Here on Texags?
I've never heard that either, anywhere. Given the type of show it is, that would make no sense.
I think Ford's sacrifice/penance was real.
Good call.
Still no explanation for those dead bodies in the hallway, right?
Still no explanation for those dead bodies in the hallway, right?
I'm glad something finally happened with the cold storage hosts. When you have a room full of malfunctioning robots, it would be a waste to not have them revolt.
I guess I'm ok with Maeve's story now seeing how she was programmed all along to attempt to escape and create a diversion to distract the QA teams while the cold storage hosts got out. Had she let Bernard continue with his explanation of her Escape narrative I bet he would have told her she was programmed to come back to the park.
I guess I'm ok with Maeve's story now seeing how she was programmed all along to attempt to escape and create a diversion to distract the QA teams while the cold storage hosts got out. Had she let Bernard continue with his explanation of her Escape narrative I bet he would have told her she was programmed to come back to the park.
Exactly. She finally made a decision that was all her own. One based around suffering and trying to correct it, no less.3rdGen2015 said:free_mhayden said:
Could certainly see it coming with the way Ford seemed unaffected by the board forcing him out, the MiB wanting it "to be real" and the cold storage army... But even seeing it coming, they did it very well.
My only question -- does Maeve leaving the train and going back show that she still hasn't completely evolved yet since she was about to see the outside world and chose to go back for her "daughter"?
I took it to mean that she was actually overriding her code
The thing that bothers me a bit is how everything went perfectly to plan for Ford. How can he possibly have known Maeve would try escape at the exact same time as the gala with the board?
And why was he suddenly cool with Bernard again? Guessing his death was also part of the narrative, but again, how could he possibly have known they'd find him in that room?
And why was he suddenly cool with Bernard again? Guessing his death was also part of the narrative, but again, how could he possibly have known they'd find him in that room?
because he programmed her toBrian Earl Spilner said:
The thing that bothers me a bit is how everything went perfectly to plan for Ford. How can he possibly have known Maeve would try escape at the exact same time as the gala with the board?
AliasMan02 said:dave94 said:
I didn't recall that ever being a discussion point for GOT. Here on Texags?
I've never heard that either, anywhere. Given the type of show it is, that would make no sense.
I think Ford's sacrifice/penance was real.
well you can google it...yes it is out there...as for discussion on texags i don't know i've discussed the show in a lot of places really but i think it was (i mean somewhere over 6 seasons - and of course we have the spoilers or the non-spoilers ie book readers or non book readers threads so there is a lot of different GOT talk).
but the point wasn't really that part - whether he is really dead...it was simply that a major character died at the end of season 1
But the plan involved Felix's help. How did he know he'd go along with everything, much less that the rebuild would be at that exact time?YellowPot_97 said:because he programmed her toBrian Earl Spilner said:
The thing that bothers me a bit is how everything went perfectly to plan for Ford. How can he possibly have known Maeve would try escape at the exact same time as the gala with the board?
YellowPot_97 said:because he programmed her toBrian Earl Spilner said:
The thing that bothers me a bit is how everything went perfectly to plan for Ford. How can he possibly have known Maeve would try escape at the exact same time as the gala with the board?
yeah that was pretty clear when he was showing her that her every action was in her programming...getting the other hosts, the escape, going to the train, etc...she got mad and smashed the e tablet thing and said no it as her choices..clearly it wasn't..
So, wait... Bruce Willis was a robot the whole time?
Overall, I'm pretty sure I got the gist of it, but just so I'm/we're clear...
- Arnold thought Dolores had achieved true consciousness, but she really hadn't.
- Arnold had Dolores kill him because he was still suffering too much from the loss of his son / realized there was no way out for the hosts. (This is the one I'm not quite clear on.)
- Either way, it was when Arnold died, and Ford suffered the loss of his partner/friend, that he realized suffering was what truly lead to consciousness. So he set in motion a 35-year narrative of sorts, in that the hosts would suffer time and again and eventually achieve true consciousness, which is what we saw both Dolores and Maeve achieve in those final moments.
- In other words, it turns out that Ford *did* care about the freedom of the hosts all along, and this was plan to set them free.
Am I close?
- Arnold thought Dolores had achieved true consciousness, but she really hadn't.
- Arnold had Dolores kill him because he was still suffering too much from the loss of his son / realized there was no way out for the hosts. (This is the one I'm not quite clear on.)
- Either way, it was when Arnold died, and Ford suffered the loss of his partner/friend, that he realized suffering was what truly lead to consciousness. So he set in motion a 35-year narrative of sorts, in that the hosts would suffer time and again and eventually achieve true consciousness, which is what we saw both Dolores and Maeve achieve in those final moments.
- In other words, it turns out that Ford *did* care about the freedom of the hosts all along, and this was plan to set them free.
Am I close?
Will this be the Season 2 plot: The Lost World: Jurassic Park Synopsis?
TCTTS said:
Overall, I'm pretty sure I got the gist of it, but just so I'm/we're clear...
- Arnold thought Dolores had achieved true consciousness, but she really hadn't.
- Arnold had Dolores kill him because he was still suffering too much from the loss of his son / realized there was no way out for the hosts. (This is the one I'm not quite clear on.)
- Either way, it was when Arnold died, and Ford suffered the loss of his partner/friend, that he realized suffering was what truly lead to consciousness. So he set in motion a 35-year narrative of sorts, in that the hosts would suffer time and again and eventually achieve true consciousness, which is what we saw Dolores achieve in those final moments.
- In other words, it turns out that Ford *did* care about the freedom of the hosts all along, and this was plan to set them free.
Am I close?
That's what I got too. Arnold had Dolores kill him in attempts to keep the park from opening and, in turn, to keep the guests from harming the hosts.
I love that Ford was actually a protagonist though, I wonder how much knowing that will change a season rewatch.
Nice. Good point about Arnold having Dolores kill him to both try and keep the park from opening and keep the guests from harming the hosts.
And yeah, I love the new light it paints on Ford. Probably my single favorite thing about the finale.
And yeah, I love the new light it paints on Ford. Probably my single favorite thing about the finale.
Also, the scene where MIB says the maze "revealed itself to him" when killing Maeve's daughter and seeing her suffer, still doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
If he knew the maze was simply the hosts achieving consciousness, why was he still looking for the maze?
If he knew the maze was simply the hosts achieving consciousness, why was he still looking for the maze?
Still curious about why Ford thought he had to die. Other than it being a symbolic gesture on the part of Dolores, she could have technically killed anyone to achieve her sentience. And yes, Ford knew he was being pushed out by the board, but why the public death other than for theatrics? I guess I'm just trying to find a tangible meaning for it.
I don't think he ever really knew this, unless I missed something.Quote:
If he knew the maze was simply the hosts achieving consciousness, why was he still looking for the maze?
TCTTS said:
Overall, I'm pretty sure I got the gist of it, but just so I'm/we're clear...
- Arnold thought Dolores had achieved true consciousness, but she really hadn't.
- Arnold had Dolores kill him because he was still suffering too much from the loss of his son / realized there was no way out for the hosts. (This is the one I'm not quite clear on.)
- Either way, it was when Arnold died, and Ford suffered the loss of his partner/friend, that he realized suffering was what truly lead to consciousness. So he set in motion a 35-year narrative of sorts, in that the hosts would suffer time and again and eventually achieve true consciousness, which is what we saw both Dolores and Maeve achieve in those final moments.
- In other words, it turns out that Ford *did* care about the freedom of the hosts all along, and this was plan to set them free.
Am I close?
yes...with the exception that I don't think Maeve was experiencing that at all...only Dolores.
Dolores is the oldest host as we know and suffered the most and is the first to achieve consciousness.
Maeve I believe was still controlled by programming as shown in the control center when Felix showed her that her every action was actually in her programming that had been scripted and changed. Now I'm not 100% sure about her action leaving the train - was that programming or was that finally a choice??? But I think it was all programming...her story was simply to set the distraction in effect for the security detail so that Ford could wipe out the board at the little party.
So I don't think they are all conscious or free...only Dolores. But others will get there as it continues...I suppose Ford had a plan to replace board members with hosts??? to continue the WW as they evolved and then achieve that consciousness.....I guess we shall see.
What was Charlotte's plan with Old Man Abernathy in cold storage and what was the "important" job the narrative writer was sent to do when he realized they were all gone?
Still don't think the MIB is Willlliam!!!! /Claym711
He was suppose to put Abernathy on the train.
I thought they were able to get Abernathy off world?
wonder what happened to the head security guy that was grabbed by the ghost nation indians.
Wide open for Season 2.LostAg said:
What was Charlotte's plan with Old Man Abernathy in cold storage and what was the "important" job the narrative writer was sent to do when he realized they were all gone?
he's still rowing the boat.YellowPot_97 said:
wonder what happened to the head security guy that was grabbed by the ghost nation indians.
As we try to piece all this together, if there's one thing I am sure of - as if I wasn't before - it's that the Nolan brothers are officially mind**** cinema geniuses. Seriously...
- Memento
- The Prestige
- Inception
- Interstellar
- Westworld
... all feature some of the trippiest timeline work we've ever seen put to film, and always to jaw dropping effect.
That, and they still do "endings" better than just about anyone in the business. What a great finale tonight. It wasn't always the most empathetic journey this season, but that last ten minutes made up for every shortcoming along the way. Just a note-perfect way to go out, and they somehow still managed to surprise us.
Cannot wait for 2018.
- Memento
- The Prestige
- Inception
- Interstellar
- Westworld
... all feature some of the trippiest timeline work we've ever seen put to film, and always to jaw dropping effect.
That, and they still do "endings" better than just about anyone in the business. What a great finale tonight. It wasn't always the most empathetic journey this season, but that last ten minutes made up for every shortcoming along the way. Just a note-perfect way to go out, and they somehow still managed to surprise us.
Cannot wait for 2018.
YellowPot_97 said:
wonder what happened to the head security guy that was grabbed by the ghost nation indians.
I am going to say he was killed. I want to say that those Indians were coded to be able to kill
Part of his plan seems to have been to kill the board to cause chaos and hand over control of the park to Delores. Can't very well remain alive in that case.TCTTS said:
Still curious about why Ford thought he had to die. Other than it being a symbolic gesture on the part of Dolores, she could have technically killed anyone to achieve her sentience. And yes, Ford knew he was being pushed out by the board, but why the public death other than for theatrics? I guess I'm just trying to find a tangible meaning for it.
Makes sense. I can buy that.
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