This show got way too convoluted way too fast. Was good for 5-6 episodes, then it went off the rails. They haven't developed any of the narratives enough, and there are too many of them. Pretty big disappointment IMO. I'll finish the season but I doubt I'll watch Seadon 2.
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Are we watching different timelines of Aggie football? Each November we are flashing back to Fran and/or Sherman eras.
Am I the only one who inferred from Ford's conversation with Bernard that Armold too was a host? I need to rewatch it, but it sure seemed like it.
It makes sense. No one seems to recall or know anything about Arnold.
It makes sense. No one seems to recall or know anything about Arnold.
My cousin has a theory that MIB is Wyatt.
That doesn't really make sense; explain?
Perhaps Arnold was the first host? And limits had not yet been placed in his consciousness?
jamaggie06 said:
Am I the only one who inferred from Ford's conversation with Bernard that Armold too was a host? I need to rewatch it, but it sure seemed like it.
It makes sense. No one seems to recall or know anything about Arnold.
Arnold is the A series robot. Bernard is B series. I think that is a viable theory and I brought it up several weeks ago.
I recall someone posting that. At the time I hadn't seen enough evidence to really confirm it.
But, as I watched the scenese with Ford and Bernard last episode, it seemed very much like that was the case. Like I said, I nees to rewatch and see if my interpretation of their interaction makes sense, but I'm definitely leaning heavily towards Arnold having been a host.
And I really like the idea that Arnold was the alpha prototype and Bernard is the beta prototype. It makes so much sense.
But, as I watched the scenese with Ford and Bernard last episode, it seemed very much like that was the case. Like I said, I nees to rewatch and see if my interpretation of their interaction makes sense, but I'm definitely leaning heavily towards Arnold having been a host.
And I really like the idea that Arnold was the alpha prototype and Bernard is the beta prototype. It makes so much sense.
Dolores killed Arnold
rebornaggie2013 said:
Dolores killed Arnold
Dolores is the final villian!
So, that confirmed pretty much every theory, right?
So things that were basically confirmed:
Dolores was the cause of the "critical failure" from 30 years ago
Bernard was Arnold
Dolores killed Arnold
Two timeline theory (The picture of William's fiancee is the picture Dolores' father finds in the pilot)
William is MIB
Things left to answer:
Who is MIB outside of the park
What is the new narrative
Why did Dolores lose her **** and kill everyone
What happened to the town that was swallowed by the sand
How does Arnold continue to communicate with the hosts
The Maze
Did I miss anything?
Dolores was the cause of the "critical failure" from 30 years ago
Bernard was Arnold
Dolores killed Arnold
Two timeline theory (The picture of William's fiancee is the picture Dolores' father finds in the pilot)
William is MIB
Things left to answer:
Who is MIB outside of the park
What is the new narrative
Why did Dolores lose her **** and kill everyone
What happened to the town that was swallowed by the sand
How does Arnold continue to communicate with the hosts
The Maze
Did I miss anything?
Ford has to have another Bernard ready to go, right? Everyone else thinks human.
Good list Brian
When was William = MiB confirmed?
The show better find a clever and creative way to tie in Maeve because that storyline is one big fudge dragon.
Otherwise wow wow wow!
Otherwise wow wow wow!
We saw the "turn" we've been waiting to see all season. Then at the end, Dolores' "William?" is answered by MIB walking through the door.RossK10 said:
When was William = MiB confirmed?
They've spoonfed it to us so much that it's almost unfair to us if it's not the case.
Man, Delores is Wyatt. I thought that was a crazy theory, but after they showed how Teddy's memory of the attack was flawed to remember different genders and people entirely, I think that has to be it. Teddy and Delores killed everyone is Escalate, and then Ford used that real event as the cornerstone memory for Teddy by changing the players to Wyatt and the soldiers. Right?
I think so. I just read an interesting idea on Reddit. What if Ford is recreating the "Wyatt" massacre in his new narrative to draw out all the sentient robots? Dolores is already there. It really seems like Teddy will be heading there. The only one I can't find a tie with is Maeve. But then again, there has been a huge focus on her sentience, so maybe the writer's intent is to have her be the sentient robot that gets away?
90 minute finale by the way!
Man I feel like my mind got ****ed
So what is Dolores actually doing right now? Just running around and geeking out from memories of a previous timeline with William that is not happening in her present moment?
The Delores time/clothes/scene changes are confusing. Or maybe I'm just dumb.
Ford is one sadistic dude. He knows all along that he's just mind ****ing Bernard. Somehow I think this is not the first time that scene has played out and he's really just testing Bernard each time to see where his loyalties lie. And each time Bernard fails the test.
I don't see how it's two different timelines. We know that old Dr Ford and MIB exist at the same time because they have that confrontation. Isn't this occurring at the same time Dolores is on the run with William? How are people inferring that Dolores on the run with William took place many years prior?
In the last scene, Ford makes a comment "But even I fell into that most terrible of human traps, trying to change what is already past. Now it's just time to let go." Bernard then begs him to erase his sentience, and Ford responds with, "I would prefer the more narrative voice." I believe these lines and motives go beyond this individual scene with Bernard. I think what he's trying to say here is that he knows he's being pushed out by the board and he's going to end it on his own terms. His final narrative.
In episode 1, dolores' father shows her an aged photograph. It's the same photograph Teddy shows to William in this episode.
There have been a lot clues throughout the entire season. But just to make it real easy for this last episode and to get you on board with the multiple timelines, just notice that Dolores does not have the knife wound in her gut that Logan had given her. Her shirt was covered in "blood" afterwards. And when she was in the church at the end, the shirt is totally clean. She is even having multiple flashbacks throughout this specific episode that shows that we're dealing with multiple time periods.UMichAg said:
I don't see how it's two different timelines. We know that old Dr Ford and MIB exist at the same time because they have that confrontation. Isn't this occurring at the same time Dolores is on the run with William? How are people inferring that Dolores on the run with William took place many years prior?
If Bernard and Dolores are gen 2 androids, do they still have metal innards? Or have they been upgraded to full 3D printed bones/flesh/blood like all new hosts? We know the current hosts are biologically just like humans aside from the brain.
Yeah this is interesting to me as well. They have made the comments of "she's been repaired so many times, she's practically brand new" but I don't know if that would include full body reconstruction.RPM said:
If Bernard and Dolores are gen 2 androids, do they still have metal innards? Or have they been upgraded to full 3D printed bones/flesh/blood like all new hosts? We know the current hosts are biologically just like humans aside from the brain.
I also hope to see it play out how it seems when glitched, they can refuse to die in a sense. In the first episode Walter says "Not gonna die this time Arnold. Ain't nothing gonna kill me." As he says this, he drinks milk and it pours out of the bullet holes he still has in his body. It seems like the hosts are capable of rejecting the "idea of death" and powering through it in a sense. This has been a question of mine from the beginning of the series, and after Dolores' knife wound, I hope it get's answered. It would seem to make sense that if they were aware that they are indeed machines, that they could potentially override the reactions to die from wounds that don't totally immobilize them or effect their processing power. Wondering this for Teddy's sake as well. Wouldn't seem right for Dolores and MiB's conclusion to take place without good ol Theodore...
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