***Official USMNT-WCQ Octagonal Thread***

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fig96 said:

You do know that we don't get to choose which posts get deleted?


If it was flagged, and someone whines about it, especially by someone that knows a mod, it will get deleted.
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HowdyTexasAggies said:

fig96 said:

You do know that we don't get to choose which posts get deleted?


If it was flagged, and someone whines about it, especially by someone that knows a mod, it will get deleted.


I don't think yours was flagged. There was a big purge, 2 of my posts were deleted too. I think it was all about Milwaukee Best Lite and his schtick.
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That and aggiephoenix
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Aston94 said:

HowdyTexasAggies said:

fig96 said:

You do know that we don't get to choose which posts get deleted?


If it was flagged, and someone whines about it, especially by someone that knows a mod, it will get deleted.


I don't think yours was flagged. There was a big purge, 2 of my posts were deleted too. I think it was all about Milwaukee Best Lite and his schtick.


Makes sense, I didn't get back on here until late today' so I guess I missed the fun.
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HowdyTexasAggies said:

fig96 said:

You do know that we don't get to choose which posts get deleted?


If it was flagged, and someone whines about it, especially by someone that knows a mod, it will get deleted.
Not to be overly blunt, but I don't think anyone cared about your post that much
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Mathguy64 said:

That and aggiephoenix
He was going pretty wild
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PatAg said:

Mathguy64 said:

That and aggiephoenix
He was going pretty wild


He was up late drinking talking to himself and using the Mexican bad word.
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His little tirade was really out of line.
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fig96 said:

HowdyTexasAggies said:

fig96 said:

You do know that we don't get to choose which posts get deleted?


If it was flagged, and someone whines about it, especially by someone that knows a mod, it will get deleted.
Not to be overly blunt, but I don't think anyone cared about your post that much


Likely, but the forum is more fun with more posters that actually care about soccer, yet people get chastised and run off, chided by arrogant experts. Pretty snooty attitude
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Did someone here try to run you off at some point because something you posted?

Can we be elitist here? I'm sure it happens, but I think most regulars try to avoid it and encourage discussions. Recently we've come down on folks for name-callling and being hateful, but I don't know that anyone has been dismissed or mistreated because of a lack of knowledge about the game. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.
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Kevin the 3-legged dog said:

PatAg said:

Mathguy64 said:

That and aggiephoenix
He was going pretty wild


He was up late drinking talking to himself and using the Mexican bad word.
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jeffk said:

...but I don't know that anyone has been dismissed or mistreated because of a lack of knowledge about the game.
if there's one thing I've learned here, it's that everyone has a referee's knowledge of the laws.
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Okay, the offside/offsides thing was pretty pedantic.
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theNetSmith said:

jeffk said:

...but I don't know that anyone has been dismissed or mistreated because of a lack of knowledge about the game.
if there's one thing I've learned here, it's that everyone has a referee's knowledge of the laws.
I mean, I think most of us could ref at CONCACAF level
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but he got the ball!!!
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I stand by my statement that I could move to Grenada and be the best ref in the nation and make it to a World Cup.
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HowdyTexasAggies said:

fig96 said:

HowdyTexasAggies said:

fig96 said:

You do know that we don't get to choose which posts get deleted?

If it was flagged, and someone whines about it, especially by someone that knows a mod, it will get deleted.
Not to be overly blunt, but I don't think anyone cared about your post that much
Likely, but the forum is more fun with more posters that actually care about soccer, yet people get chastised and run off, chided by arrogant experts. Pretty snooty attitude
You're getting overly offended here. My point is that no one was especially bothered by you posting it.

And while I disagree with your take, it's good to know that at least one person feels that way so we can be aware of it.

But generally speaking, don't be an ass and posters here are more than happy to discuss something they disagree with, I've done it many times. Come in calling people idiots and proclaiming you know better and the response likely won't be great.
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theNetSmith said:

jeffk said:

...but I don't know that anyone has been dismissed or mistreated because of a lack of knowledge about the game.
if there's one thing I've learned here, it's that everyone has a referee's knowledge of the laws.
I bet you'd be surprised by the number of us that are/have been licensed at some point.
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myself included.. I can usually tell who knows what they're talking about
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gougler08 said:

theNetSmith said:

jeffk said:

...but I don't know that anyone has been dismissed or mistreated because of a lack of knowledge about the game.
if there's one thing I've learned here, it's that everyone has a referee's knowledge of the laws.
I mean, I think most of us could ref at CONCACAF level


The CONCACAF pool is in direct contrast to the one for UEFA or CONMEBOL. The guys in UEFA are all working games in domestic leagues and you have at least 6 big ones. Plus Nations league, UCL, EL. It's a huge pool. And they still whittle it down to roughly 20 on the Elite list for the UCL and Euros. CONMEBOL has the big SA leagues plus the big Copa. That's not as deep as Europe but still big.

The reality is other than MLS or LigaMX the CONCACAF guys just have no competitive leagues of merit. The poor guy from Grenada? He's probably doing games at the level of a college D3 or NAIA. He had no chance the other night. The speed of the game, the level of foul, the abilities of the players. All of it was light years above what he's used to. He had no chance.

The first DOGSO is probably something he doesn't call in his games because in his league that distance isn't an OGSO. The second you could see it in his eyes. He blew the whistle because he saw the foul and then went "oh **** what have I done? It's a red card and I can't do that." So he took forever and got input from everyone in the stadium and bailed out. The missed foul on Arriola late in the half he either never saw or thought it was in the area and after miss 1 and 2 he couldn't bring himself to a PK for that.

He was constantly out of position to see fouls and got in the way several times. That's just not being used to the level and skill of the players. His games he's not in the way because the players aren't that good.

I felt for him. He was in the deep end of the pool.
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Mathguy64 said:

gougler08 said:

theNetSmith said:

jeffk said:

...but I don't know that anyone has been dismissed or mistreated because of a lack of knowledge about the game.
if there's one thing I've learned here, it's that everyone has a referee's knowledge of the laws.
I mean, I think most of us could ref at CONCACAF level


The CONCACAF pool is in direct contrast to the one for UEFA or CONMEBOL. The guys in UEFA are all working games in domestic leagues and you have at least 6 big ones. Plus Nations league, UCL, EL. It's a huge pool. And they still whittle it down to roughly 20 on the Elite list for the UCL and Euros. CONMEBOL has the big SA leagues plus the big Copa. That's not as deep as Europe but still big.

The reality is other than MLS or LigaMX the CONCACAF guys just have no competitive leagues of merit. The poor guy from Grenada? He's probably doing games at the level of a college D3 or NAIA. He had no chance the other night. The speed of the game, the level of foul, the abilities of the players. All of it was light years above what he's used to. He had no chance.

The first DOGSO is probably something he doesn't call in his games because in his league that distance isn't an OGSO. The second you could see it in his eyes. He blew the whistle because he saw the foul and then went "oh **** what have I done? It's a red card and I can't do that." So he took forever and got input from everyone in the stadium and bailed out. The missed foul on Arriola late in the half he either never saw or thought it was in the area and after miss 1 and 2 he couldn't bring himself to a PK for that.

He was constantly out of position to see fouls and got in the way several times. That's just not being used to the level and skill of the players. His games he's not in the way because the players aren't that good.

I felt for him. He was in the deep end of the pool.
Yeah I feel bad for the guys until they are screwing the US over
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What goes into selecting the crews for CONCACAF matches? Are they at some level trying to make sure each member nation gets a crew into a game each cycle?
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when do we get a crew from St. Kitts or Aruba?
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why don't they make a rule that all WCQ Octagaonal matches be held in neutral countries not in the EIGHT?

- Turks & Caicos
- Saint Lucia
- Aruba
- Bahamas
- Barbados
- British VI
- Caymen Islands
- US VI
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Mathguy64 said:

gougler08 said:

theNetSmith said:

jeffk said:

...but I don't know that anyone has been dismissed or mistreated because of a lack of knowledge about the game.
if there's one thing I've learned here, it's that everyone has a referee's knowledge of the laws.
I mean, I think most of us could ref at CONCACAF level


The CONCACAF pool is in direct contrast to the one for UEFA or CONMEBOL. The guys in UEFA are all working games in domestic leagues and you have at least 6 big ones. Plus Nations league, UCL, EL. It's a huge pool. And they still whittle it down to roughly 20 on the Elite list for the UCL and Euros. CONMEBOL has the big SA leagues plus the big Copa. That's not as deep as Europe but still big.

The reality is other than MLS or LigaMX the CONCACAF guys just have no competitive leagues of merit. The poor guy from Grenada? He's probably doing games at the level of a college D3 or NAIA. He had no chance the other night. The speed of the game, the level of foul, the abilities of the players. All of it was light years above what he's used to. He had no chance.

The first DOGSO is probably something he doesn't call in his games because in his league that distance isn't an OGSO. The second you could see it in his eyes. He blew the whistle because he saw the foul and then went "oh **** what have I done? It's a red card and I can't do that." So he took forever and got input from everyone in the stadium and bailed out. The missed foul on Arriola late in the half he either never saw or thought it was in the area and after miss 1 and 2 he couldn't bring himself to a PK for that.

He was constantly out of position to see fouls and got in the way several times. That's just not being used to the level and skill of the players. His games he's not in the way because the players aren't that good.

I felt for him. He was in the deep end of the pool.


Agreed. Going from 1 level to a higher level it's like the game is in fast fast forward.
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jeffk said:

Okay, the offside/offsides thing was pretty pedantic.


Only an ass would correct someone on that.
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Mathguy64 said:

gougler08 said:

theNetSmith said:

jeffk said:

...but I don't know that anyone has been dismissed or mistreated because of a lack of knowledge about the game.
if there's one thing I've learned here, it's that everyone has a referee's knowledge of the laws.
I mean, I think most of us could ref at CONCACAF level


The CONCACAF pool is in direct contrast to the one for UEFA or CONMEBOL. The guys in UEFA are all working games in domestic leagues and you have at least 6 big ones. Plus Nations league, UCL, EL. It's a huge pool. And they still whittle it down to roughly 20 on the Elite list for the UCL and Euros. CONMEBOL has the big SA leagues plus the big Copa. That's not as deep as Europe but still big.

The reality is other than MLS or LigaMX the CONCACAF guys just have no competitive leagues of merit. The poor guy from Grenada? He's probably doing games at the level of a college D3 or NAIA. He had no chance the other night. The speed of the game, the level of foul, the abilities of the players. All of it was light years above what he's used to. He had no chance.

The first DOGSO is probably something he doesn't call in his games because in his league that distance isn't an OGSO. The second you could see it in his eyes. He blew the whistle because he saw the foul and then went "oh **** what have I done? It's a red card and I can't do that." So he took forever and got input from everyone in the stadium and bailed out. The missed foul on Arriola late in the half he either never saw or thought it was in the area and after miss 1 and 2 he couldn't bring himself to a PK for that.

He was constantly out of position to see fouls and got in the way several times. That's just not being used to the level and skill of the players. His games he's not in the way because the players aren't that good.

I felt for him. He was in the deep end of the pool.
If you are new to the board let me introduce you to our resident expert.

However this doesn't mean that we do not disagree with him on occasion.
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jeffk said:

What goes into selecting the crews for CONCACAF matches? Are they at some level trying to make sure each member nation gets a crew into a game each cycle?


They are all FIFA level officials. So the only requirement is that they have that badge. Not every nation has someone on that list but if they do yes CONCACAF is going to try and work people in. The Grenada guy did one Gold Cup game I think. It didn't go well.

ETA it's complicated and very political. Remember that in the eyes of CONCACAF everyone is equal and it's all about spreading money and prestige.
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The FIFA badge is nation dependent. The National federations make their own nominations and you only get so many. As long as they can pass the fitness test they can nominate who they want.

USSF is stupid. Last I looked they didn't fill their nomination list. A couple of years ago they only had 6 of 10 spots filled on the mens side. That's criminal. You can't get people trained and ready if they aren't on the list to start with.
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Has anyone ever tried to explain why USSF doesn't fill all ten spots?
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jeffk said:

Has anyone ever tried to explain why USSF doesn't fill all ten spots?


Not that I know. Maybe Jessexy would know.
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Panama fans are saying mean things too.

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Kevin the 3-legged dog said:

PatAg said:

Mathguy64 said:

That and aggiephoenix
He was going pretty wild


He was up late drinking talking to himself and using the Mexican bad word.


I should have just let him continue jabbering to himself but calling that a bad PK was just too much.
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The Pilot said:

Kevin the 3-legged dog said:

PatAg said:

Mathguy64 said:

That and aggiephoenix
He was going pretty wild


He was up late drinking talking to himself and using the Mexican bad word.


I should have just let him continue jabbering to himself but calling that a bad PK was just too much.

Next time he gets on a roll we should just let him talk to himself all night.
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The Pilot said:

Kevin the 3-legged dog said:

PatAg said:

Mathguy64 said:

That and aggiephoenix
He was going pretty wild


He was up late drinking talking to himself and using the Mexican bad word.


I should have just let him continue jabbering to himself but calling that a bad PK was just too much.
It was funny when the replay of the call was linked, and you watch the Mexican player just get his leg get completely taken out.
 
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