Agreed. DT, DE, CB, S are much bigger concerns for me on the D. Also, in today's NFL, LB is not an important enough position to spend a top 10 pick on.
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best case imo is somebody very desperate moves up to get one of the qbs remaining, we drop a few spots, gain extra picks, get a decent defender or OT, and plug a few holes. we're not a CB or OT away from winning the NFC.
then again, no idea what we're doing in free agency.
then again, no idea what we're doing in free agency.
Speaking of QB... if Davis Mills is available when we get to our compensatory picks I'd take a hard look at him. This guy has something.
2019 his 1st year as a starter vs ND
2019 his 1st year as a starter vs ND
I think Mills is a guy whose best football is ahead of him.
gigem1223 said:
Agreed. DT, DE, CB, S are much bigger concerns for me on the D. Also, in today's NFL, LB is not an important enough position to spend a top 10 pick on.
I disagree if you find a true stud. Devin White showed last year how valuable that position can be. And in Atlanta Quinn's defense what night and day better when Deion Jones was on the field.
Ag Natural said:gigem1223 said:
Agreed. DT, DE, CB, S are much bigger concerns for me on the D. Also, in today's NFL, LB is not an important enough position to spend a top 10 pick on.
I disagree if you find a true stud. Devin White showed last year how valuable that position can be. And in Atlanta Quinn's defense what night and day better when Deion Jones was on the field.
From what I've heard from Broaddus... he doesn't think Parsons is in the same league as Jones or White.
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-draft-pro-day-schedule-pro-day-results-tracker
Caden Sterns ran a 4.40 40!
Caden Sterns ran a 4.40 40!
Is this a player or a high school?
WR Brennan Eagles
Height:
Weight:
Vertical: 36 (55th percentile)
40-yard: 4.55 (27th)
3-cone: 6.93 (54th)
A couple of other simulators... PFN's is pretty cool.
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft/
https://thedraftnetwork.com/mock-draft-machine
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft/
https://thedraftnetwork.com/mock-draft-machine
I've been using PFNs lately & I like it more than PFFs. A little more realistic, IMO
If you had a flux capacitor, would you go back in time and kidnap jerry and let Stephen pick Ramsey in the first and Henry in the second?
If you have a time machine and one jump... wouldn't it be better to take TJ Watt instead of Taco?
actually no, I'd rather kill 2 birds with one stone. tj watt is not worth Ramsey and Henry.PooDoo said:
If you have a time machine and one jump... wouldn't it be better to take TJ Watt instead of Taco?
Give me Tom Brady over Mario Edwards
Cowboys interested in demontae Kazee, FS from the Falcons. Y'all might remember him as the guy that Zeke trucked before scoring but In 2018 he had 7 INTs, 10 PD & 1 FF. He would come in cheap since he's coming off an Achilles injury but could be a nice Stephen Jones special.
Happens all the time with guys like that... following their former coach to his new team. I know nothing about the guy, but at this point pretty much anybody who wants to come in and compete at safety is welcome.
Amazing how it's been 20 years since we've had a legitimate pro bowl caliber player at safety... the closest we've had to a good one has been Barry Church.
Amazing how it's been 20 years since we've had a legitimate pro bowl caliber player at safety... the closest we've had to a good one has been Barry Church.
The Texans have traded watson for drew breeze and NO's first round pick.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/15/drew-brees-retires-nfl-free-agency-fmia-peter-king/?cid=fmiatw
The Dak Assist
20
Sometimes the best deals are the ones you don't make. The Dak Prescott deal brought that home the other day, along with this quote on the $40-million-a-year Dak deal from owner Jerry Jones: "Most anything that I've ever been involved in that ended up being special, I overpaid for. Any time I've tried to get a bargain, it was just that. It was a bargain in a lot of ways and not up to standard."
I've got an interesting perspective on that. I covered the Cowboys draft room in 2016, when Prescott was Dallas' fourth-round pick, and I had impeccable sources for what happened in the Cowboys' room that weekend. The story:
With starting quarterback Tony Romo 36 and coming off an injury, Dallas wanted to draft his successor. The Cowboys hoped that would be Paxton Lynch of Memphis, but to do that, they'd have to trade back into the first round from overall pick number 34 to get him. For 67 minutes beginning in mid-round, VP Stephen Jones worked the phones with nine teams trying to get a mid- to late-round pick so they could acquire Lynch. Seattle was interested, but wanted Dallas' second- and third-round picks, 34th and 67th overall, in exchange for the Seahawks' 26th overall pick. Dallas offered a second and fourth, 34th and 101st overall. Much angst in the room. "No way with Seattle," Stephen Jones said, turning to his father in the room after his second call with Seahawks GM John Schneider. "They want our two and three. Thoughts?"
Silence. Dallas didn't up the offer, and so Seattle traded with Denver for a slightly better package of picks. And the Broncos chose Paxton Lynch.
Jerry Jones looked tormented. Crestfallen. The next afternoon, I met Jones in his office. He was glum. "When I got up this morning," he said, "I second-guessed the hell out of myself for not giving the three. I have always paid a premium for a premium. So many times my bargains have let me down. I'm not gonna go jump from Dallas's tallest, so let's put this in perspective. But if I had to do it all over again? I'd give the three."
That's not the end of the pre-Dak story. At the start of day three, Dallas had two quarterbacks atop its draft board. In order: 1) Connor Cook, Michigan State. 2) Dak Prescott, Mississippi State. To open the fourth round, Cleveland had picks 99 and 100. Dallas sat at 101. The Cowboys, to get Cook, offered Cleveland their pick at 101 plus their 2017 sixth-round pick. Browns said no. Then the Cowboys offered their two sixth-round picks this year. Browns said no. Incredibly, the Raiders jumped Dallas, trading with Cleveland for pick number 100 and choosing Cook. Again, Dallas got trumped. And so with their lower fourth-round pick, the Cowboys settled for Prescott.
Lynch started four games for Denver before being released in September 2018.
Cook last played professional football for the XFL's Houston Roughnecks last spring, serving as the backup quarterback before the league folded.
Neither quarterback threw a pass in professional football in the last three years, and neither was on an NFL roster last year.
And now Prescott, next to Patrick Mahomes, has the richest contract in the history of the NFL. Prescott has started all 72 Dallas games for which he's been healthy since being picked 135th by the Cowboys, with 106 touchdowns and 40 interceptions. He's a top 10 quarterback in the NFL and a top five leader, and without question the most popular athlete in the state of Texas.
Moral of the story? Jerry Jones is very glad he did not give the three.
There is a postscript to the story of the Prescott marriage with the Dallas Cowboys. The Paxton Lynch coronation in the team's draft room was not unanimous.
In 2016, the Cowboys quarterback coach was former NFL QB Wade Wilson, who, sadly, died in 2019 of complications from Type 1 diabetes. Inside the Dallas scouting world, Wilson was a notoriously tough quarterback grader. Many times in his 17 pre-draft seasons as an NFL quarterbacks coach, the available quarterbacks weren't good enough. They had some problem that Wilson considered disqualifying. But in 2016, after the Dak Prescott workout, Wilson told head coach Jason Garrett, "This guy can play. This is a guy we'd like." Garrett's ears perked up. And when Prescott was tabbed to make one of the team's few pre-draft visits to Cowboys headquarters in 2016, Garrett quizzed him on a few plays and on his recent DUI in Mississippi. When Garrett met with players before the draft, he liked to ask the questions fast and intersperse them with character questions, so the player might not have time to give what might be a polished answer to something troubling on his rsum. Prescott answered everything right. He picked up the plays from this foreign offense with photographic-memory proficiency. He took full accountability for the DUI, blaming no one but himself.
Prescott's grade, in Garrett's world, shot way up. So on day three of the draft, when Prescott's name came off the board, Garrett was very good with that. Offensive coordinator Scott Linehan liked Prescott too. And Wilson was over the moon, in his reserved way; he'd gotten his man.
Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott and coach Wade Wilson, June 2017. (USA TODAY Sports)
Wilson died on his 60th birthday, Feb. 1, 2019. After the funeral, which Garrett and Prescott attended, Prescott told Garrett something he'd never planned to tell him. Remember my pre-draft visit to the facility? Remember how you quizzed me about those plays and my off-the-field stuff? Garrett said of course he recalled it.
Well, Prescott told him, before that meeting, Wilson had briefed him in great detail on the plays Garrett would be quizzing him about, and told him he'd be pressing him on the DUI also. Prescott aced the test, it turns out, because Wilson had given him the questions and the answers before he walked into his Dallas Cowboys final exam.
So now, if you're a Cowboys fan and you love Dak Prescott, know that the late Wade Wilsona man who'd never have advertised that he'd been the biggest Prescott cheerleader in the buildingmight deserve a quiet but important assist in making him the long-term Cowboys quarterback
The Dak Assist
20
Sometimes the best deals are the ones you don't make. The Dak Prescott deal brought that home the other day, along with this quote on the $40-million-a-year Dak deal from owner Jerry Jones: "Most anything that I've ever been involved in that ended up being special, I overpaid for. Any time I've tried to get a bargain, it was just that. It was a bargain in a lot of ways and not up to standard."
I've got an interesting perspective on that. I covered the Cowboys draft room in 2016, when Prescott was Dallas' fourth-round pick, and I had impeccable sources for what happened in the Cowboys' room that weekend. The story:
With starting quarterback Tony Romo 36 and coming off an injury, Dallas wanted to draft his successor. The Cowboys hoped that would be Paxton Lynch of Memphis, but to do that, they'd have to trade back into the first round from overall pick number 34 to get him. For 67 minutes beginning in mid-round, VP Stephen Jones worked the phones with nine teams trying to get a mid- to late-round pick so they could acquire Lynch. Seattle was interested, but wanted Dallas' second- and third-round picks, 34th and 67th overall, in exchange for the Seahawks' 26th overall pick. Dallas offered a second and fourth, 34th and 101st overall. Much angst in the room. "No way with Seattle," Stephen Jones said, turning to his father in the room after his second call with Seahawks GM John Schneider. "They want our two and three. Thoughts?"
Silence. Dallas didn't up the offer, and so Seattle traded with Denver for a slightly better package of picks. And the Broncos chose Paxton Lynch.
Jerry Jones looked tormented. Crestfallen. The next afternoon, I met Jones in his office. He was glum. "When I got up this morning," he said, "I second-guessed the hell out of myself for not giving the three. I have always paid a premium for a premium. So many times my bargains have let me down. I'm not gonna go jump from Dallas's tallest, so let's put this in perspective. But if I had to do it all over again? I'd give the three."
That's not the end of the pre-Dak story. At the start of day three, Dallas had two quarterbacks atop its draft board. In order: 1) Connor Cook, Michigan State. 2) Dak Prescott, Mississippi State. To open the fourth round, Cleveland had picks 99 and 100. Dallas sat at 101. The Cowboys, to get Cook, offered Cleveland their pick at 101 plus their 2017 sixth-round pick. Browns said no. Then the Cowboys offered their two sixth-round picks this year. Browns said no. Incredibly, the Raiders jumped Dallas, trading with Cleveland for pick number 100 and choosing Cook. Again, Dallas got trumped. And so with their lower fourth-round pick, the Cowboys settled for Prescott.
Lynch started four games for Denver before being released in September 2018.
Cook last played professional football for the XFL's Houston Roughnecks last spring, serving as the backup quarterback before the league folded.
Neither quarterback threw a pass in professional football in the last three years, and neither was on an NFL roster last year.
And now Prescott, next to Patrick Mahomes, has the richest contract in the history of the NFL. Prescott has started all 72 Dallas games for which he's been healthy since being picked 135th by the Cowboys, with 106 touchdowns and 40 interceptions. He's a top 10 quarterback in the NFL and a top five leader, and without question the most popular athlete in the state of Texas.
Moral of the story? Jerry Jones is very glad he did not give the three.
There is a postscript to the story of the Prescott marriage with the Dallas Cowboys. The Paxton Lynch coronation in the team's draft room was not unanimous.
In 2016, the Cowboys quarterback coach was former NFL QB Wade Wilson, who, sadly, died in 2019 of complications from Type 1 diabetes. Inside the Dallas scouting world, Wilson was a notoriously tough quarterback grader. Many times in his 17 pre-draft seasons as an NFL quarterbacks coach, the available quarterbacks weren't good enough. They had some problem that Wilson considered disqualifying. But in 2016, after the Dak Prescott workout, Wilson told head coach Jason Garrett, "This guy can play. This is a guy we'd like." Garrett's ears perked up. And when Prescott was tabbed to make one of the team's few pre-draft visits to Cowboys headquarters in 2016, Garrett quizzed him on a few plays and on his recent DUI in Mississippi. When Garrett met with players before the draft, he liked to ask the questions fast and intersperse them with character questions, so the player might not have time to give what might be a polished answer to something troubling on his rsum. Prescott answered everything right. He picked up the plays from this foreign offense with photographic-memory proficiency. He took full accountability for the DUI, blaming no one but himself.
Prescott's grade, in Garrett's world, shot way up. So on day three of the draft, when Prescott's name came off the board, Garrett was very good with that. Offensive coordinator Scott Linehan liked Prescott too. And Wilson was over the moon, in his reserved way; he'd gotten his man.
Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott and coach Wade Wilson, June 2017. (USA TODAY Sports)
Wilson died on his 60th birthday, Feb. 1, 2019. After the funeral, which Garrett and Prescott attended, Prescott told Garrett something he'd never planned to tell him. Remember my pre-draft visit to the facility? Remember how you quizzed me about those plays and my off-the-field stuff? Garrett said of course he recalled it.
Well, Prescott told him, before that meeting, Wilson had briefed him in great detail on the plays Garrett would be quizzing him about, and told him he'd be pressing him on the DUI also. Prescott aced the test, it turns out, because Wilson had given him the questions and the answers before he walked into his Dallas Cowboys final exam.
So now, if you're a Cowboys fan and you love Dak Prescott, know that the late Wade Wilsona man who'd never have advertised that he'd been the biggest Prescott cheerleader in the buildingmight deserve a quiet but important assist in making him the long-term Cowboys quarterback
If von gets cut tomorrow I hope the cowboys make a run for him. Bring him back to his hometown to end his career.
Not sure how much cap space we'll have, but Von would be quite interesting.
Most likely we will not find an edge rusher in this draft. I'm more than happy to take care of that in free agency. Will allow us to double dip in the draft at CB, S, and LB.
Most likely we will not find an edge rusher in this draft. I'm more than happy to take care of that in free agency. Will allow us to double dip in the draft at CB, S, and LB.
Danny Phantom said:
If von gets cut tomorrow I hope the cowboys make a run for him. Bring him back to his hometown to end his career.
Rumor is if Vonn gets cut he's going to Cleveland. Be pretty cool to see him and Myles wreck QBs.
an actual super bowl contender...gigem1223 said:Danny Phantom said:
If von gets cut tomorrow I hope the cowboys make a run for him. Bring him back to his hometown to end his career.
Rumor is if Vonn gets cut he's going to Cleveland. Be pretty cool to see him and Myles wreck QBs.
Denver picked up Von's option.
well that was a hour of joy...MooreTrucker said:
Denver picked up Von's option.
Sorry to kill the buzz. It was just announced.
MooreTrucker said:
Denver picked up Von's option.
Good for him, bad for us. Hopefully next free agency he decides to come back to Dallas.
I would have liked to have kept Awuzie for cheap because he's still a good 3rd or 4th CB, but I bet Cincy paid more for him than I would have wanted to spend. At least it should bring back a comp. pick!
Dalton going to the Bears on a 1-yr deal.
Gotta have someone to lose games for them if their starter gets hurt!98Ag99Grad said:
Dalton going to the Bears on a 1-yr deal.
IT's a $10 million deal... he might be starting!Saint Pablo said:Gotta have someone to lose games for them if their starter gets hurt!98Ag99Grad said:
Dalton going to the Bears on a 1-yr deal.
Redskins pick up Fitzmagic.
Let's get our DBs and end rushers up to speed
And Dalton was looking like a great back up. Now we have to break a new one in.
Let's get our DBs and end rushers up to speed
And Dalton was looking like a great back up. Now we have to break a new one in.
Only the team that thought Mitch Trubisky was good could look at what Dalton did last year and think "yup. We'll fork over $10 mil for that!"Carlo4 said:IT's a $10 million deal... he might be starting!Saint Pablo said:Gotta have someone to lose games for them if their starter gets hurt!98Ag99Grad said:
Dalton going to the Bears on a 1-yr deal.
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