jr15aggie said:
Yeah, Joseph should start day 1. He's 1st round cover ability so the coaches and captain's need to get him in line.
At the very least Parsons and Bossman Fat need to bring some change to our D
jteagle said:tk for tu juan said:
Josh Ball transferred from FSU after slapping and injuring his girlfriend, and pushing her because she didn't answer a text fast enough
Let's hope he has grown up and learned from his mistakes.
Who would you have drafted?Southlake said:
Well, that was pretty underwhelming.
Glad we got Parsons but nobody else has any wow factor. Never got that Safety. Meh.
I'll back him up on how bad picking up Zeke over Jalen Ramsey was....RBs not named Adrian Peterson are not worth it in 1st round anymore. It's a RB by committee league.Kellso said:Aren't you guy that kept going on about what a bad draft pick Ezekiel Elliott was....even after the Cowboys went from 4-12 in 2015 to 13-3 in 2016?Southlake said:
Well, that was pretty underwhelming.
Glad we got Parsons but nobody else has any wow factor. Never got that Safety. Meh.
After seeing his play last year, I wouldn't mind moving on from jaylon.Danny Phantom said:
Anthony Hines is interesting. I think he would of made the team if we didn't pick Cox, but he still has a shot if he excels on special teams.
His chances will only increase if we cut Jaylon with a post june 1 saving $7.2M. Probably not, but it's something that I'm sure Stephen will think hard about.
Grapesoda2525 said:After seeing his play last year, I wouldn't mind moving on from jaylon.Danny Phantom said:
Anthony Hines is interesting. I think he would of made the team if we didn't pick Cox, but he still has a shot if he excels on special teams.
His chances will only increase if we cut Jaylon with a post june 1 saving $7.2M. Probably not, but it's something that I'm sure Stephen will think hard about.
Jalen Ramsey without an adequate pass rush would not have helped Dallas at all in 2016.MaximusDMeridius said:I'll back him up on how bad picking up Zeke over Jalen Ramsey was....RBs not named Adrian Peterson are not worth it in 1st round anymore. It's a RB by committee league.Kellso said:Aren't you guy that kept going on about what a bad draft pick Ezekiel Elliott was....even after the Cowboys went from 4-12 in 2015 to 13-3 in 2016?Southlake said:
Well, that was pretty underwhelming.
Glad we got Parsons but nobody else has any wow factor. Never got that Safety. Meh.
Coming for it all @visualsbyoscar #NFLDraft2021 pic.twitter.com/n1pycPSj4O
— Kelvin Joseph (@bossmanfat1) April 8, 2021
Cowboys could have drafted Ramsey and still picked up Derrick Henry with their second round pick and probably gone 13-3 or even better because Jaylon Smith didn't even play in 2016. Many had Ramsey as the top overall, can't miss player coming out in the 2015 draft. Ramsey is still an all-pro corner and probably will be for several more years. Zeke will probably get cut after next season. We drafted Zeke to take the pressure off Romo because of his injury in 2015 (hence the horrible 2015 record). We had one of the best offensive lines in the history of the nfl. Romo got hurt in pre-season and we used Dak for his dual threat capabilities that year because he was a rookie qb and we barely tested his arm. Dez was pissed throughout 2016 because he was no longer getting the deep ball that Romo loved to throw.Kellso said:Jalen Ramsey without an adequate pass rush would not have helped Dallas at all in 2016.MaximusDMeridius said:I'll back him up on how bad picking up Zeke over Jalen Ramsey was....RBs not named Adrian Peterson are not worth it in 1st round anymore. It's a RB by committee league.Kellso said:Aren't you guy that kept going on about what a bad draft pick Ezekiel Elliott was....even after the Cowboys went from 4-12 in 2015 to 13-3 in 2016?Southlake said:
Well, that was pretty underwhelming.
Glad we got Parsons but nobody else has any wow factor. Never got that Safety. Meh.
The Cowboys would not have gone 13-3 in 2016 without Ezekiel Elliott.
If you have a top 10 pick then that guy has got to contribute immediately. The Cowboys could not afford to draft another Morriss Claiborne.
Your entire post is a hypothetical that cannot be proven.MaximusDMeridius said:Cowboys could have drafted Ramsey and still picked up Derrick Henry with their second round pick and probably gone 13-3 or even better because Jaylon Smith didn't even play in 2016. Many had Ramsey as the top overall, can't miss player coming out in the 2015 draft. Ramsey is still an all-pro corner and probably will be for several more years. Zeke will probably get cut after next season. We drafted Zeke to take the pressure off Romo because of his injury in 2015 (hence the horrible 2015 record). We had one of the best offensive lines in the history of the nfl. Romo got hurt in pre-season and we used Dak for his dual threat capabilities that year because he was a rookie qb and we barely tested his arm. Dez was pissed throughout 2016 because he was no longer getting the deep ball that Romo loved to throw.Kellso said:Jalen Ramsey without an adequate pass rush would not have helped Dallas at all in 2016.MaximusDMeridius said:I'll back him up on how bad picking up Zeke over Jalen Ramsey was....RBs not named Adrian Peterson are not worth it in 1st round anymore. It's a RB by committee league.Kellso said:Aren't you guy that kept going on about what a bad draft pick Ezekiel Elliott was....even after the Cowboys went from 4-12 in 2015 to 13-3 in 2016?Southlake said:
Well, that was pretty underwhelming.
Glad we got Parsons but nobody else has any wow factor. Never got that Safety. Meh.
The Cowboys would not have gone 13-3 in 2016 without Ezekiel Elliott.
If you have a top 10 pick then that guy has got to contribute immediately. The Cowboys could not afford to draft another Morriss Claiborne.
If we really wanted Zeke in the 2015 draft, we should of at least traded back for more picks. The next RB, Derrick Henry, wasn't chosen until 45. Sure, we got 3-4 good years out of Zeke but in the end, we screwed ourselves again when we overpaid to keep him because Garrett's job was on the line. So, looking back, we over-drafted Zeke to save Romo's ass and then overpaid him to save Garrett's. In the end, the only one happy is Zeke. I hope he proves me wrong and has an incredible year next year but I think he benefitted from a great o-line and will be gone after next season.
Kellso said:
This point isn't aimed directly at you, but I get tired of hearing people spout these supposed "rules" that you have to follow when drafting.
Agree. If the pot thing hadn't slowed him down, he's a first rounder and is higher ranked than Diggs.jr15aggie said:
Boss Man has crazy athleticism. And his tape is as good as anybody. If we can keep him focused and pointed in the right direction we got a helluva good player.
That's I decent sized IF though.
We rushed for 1890 yards in 2015 (without Romo or Dez playing)Kellso said:Your entire post is a hypothetical that cannot be proven.MaximusDMeridius said:Cowboys could have drafted Ramsey and still picked up Derrick Henry with their second round pick and probably gone 13-3 or even better because Jaylon Smith didn't even play in 2016. Many had Ramsey as the top overall, can't miss player coming out in the 2015 draft. Ramsey is still an all-pro corner and probably will be for several more years. Zeke will probably get cut after next season. We drafted Zeke to take the pressure off Romo because of his injury in 2015 (hence the horrible 2015 record). We had one of the best offensive lines in the history of the nfl. Romo got hurt in pre-season and we used Dak for his dual threat capabilities that year because he was a rookie qb and we barely tested his arm. Dez was pissed throughout 2016 because he was no longer getting the deep ball that Romo loved to throw.Kellso said:Jalen Ramsey without an adequate pass rush would not have helped Dallas at all in 2016.MaximusDMeridius said:I'll back him up on how bad picking up Zeke over Jalen Ramsey was....RBs not named Adrian Peterson are not worth it in 1st round anymore. It's a RB by committee league.Kellso said:Aren't you guy that kept going on about what a bad draft pick Ezekiel Elliott was....even after the Cowboys went from 4-12 in 2015 to 13-3 in 2016?Southlake said:
Well, that was pretty underwhelming.
Glad we got Parsons but nobody else has any wow factor. Never got that Safety. Meh.
The Cowboys would not have gone 13-3 in 2016 without Ezekiel Elliott.
If you have a top 10 pick then that guy has got to contribute immediately. The Cowboys could not afford to draft another Morriss Claiborne.
If we really wanted Zeke in the 2015 draft, we should of at least traded back for more picks. The next RB, Derrick Henry, wasn't chosen until 45. Sure, we got 3-4 good years out of Zeke but in the end, we screwed ourselves again when we overpaid to keep him because Garrett's job was on the line. So, looking back, we over-drafted Zeke to save Romo's ass and then overpaid him to save Garrett's. In the end, the only one happy is Zeke. I hope he proves me wrong and has an incredible year next year but I think he benefitted from a great o-line and will be gone after next season.
Ezekiel Elliott joined a team that went 4-12 in 2015 and the next season was 13-3.
And again....a single cornerback was NOT going to solve the Cowboys defensive issues. A defensive end or tackle...sure, but not a cornerback.
Drafting a cornerback and thinking that single player would solve the cowboys mediocre defense is wishful thinking. This is a totally different subject if we are talking about a defensive end, or DT on the talent level of a Joey Bosa, or Aaron Donald.
There was no one else available at #4 that was going to make the impact that Ezekiel Elliot did in 2016.MaximusDMeridius said:We rushed for 1890 yards in 2015 (without Romo or Dez playing)Kellso said:Your entire post is a hypothetical that cannot be proven.MaximusDMeridius said:Cowboys could have drafted Ramsey and still picked up Derrick Henry with their second round pick and probably gone 13-3 or even better because Jaylon Smith didn't even play in 2016. Many had Ramsey as the top overall, can't miss player coming out in the 2015 draft. Ramsey is still an all-pro corner and probably will be for several more years. Zeke will probably get cut after next season. We drafted Zeke to take the pressure off Romo because of his injury in 2015 (hence the horrible 2015 record). We had one of the best offensive lines in the history of the nfl. Romo got hurt in pre-season and we used Dak for his dual threat capabilities that year because he was a rookie qb and we barely tested his arm. Dez was pissed throughout 2016 because he was no longer getting the deep ball that Romo loved to throw.Kellso said:Jalen Ramsey without an adequate pass rush would not have helped Dallas at all in 2016.MaximusDMeridius said:I'll back him up on how bad picking up Zeke over Jalen Ramsey was....RBs not named Adrian Peterson are not worth it in 1st round anymore. It's a RB by committee league.Kellso said:Aren't you guy that kept going on about what a bad draft pick Ezekiel Elliott was....even after the Cowboys went from 4-12 in 2015 to 13-3 in 2016?Southlake said:
Well, that was pretty underwhelming.
Glad we got Parsons but nobody else has any wow factor. Never got that Safety. Meh.
The Cowboys would not have gone 13-3 in 2016 without Ezekiel Elliott.
If you have a top 10 pick then that guy has got to contribute immediately. The Cowboys could not afford to draft another Morriss Claiborne.
If we really wanted Zeke in the 2015 draft, we should of at least traded back for more picks. The next RB, Derrick Henry, wasn't chosen until 45. Sure, we got 3-4 good years out of Zeke but in the end, we screwed ourselves again when we overpaid to keep him because Garrett's job was on the line. So, looking back, we over-drafted Zeke to save Romo's ass and then overpaid him to save Garrett's. In the end, the only one happy is Zeke. I hope he proves me wrong and has an incredible year next year but I think he benefitted from a great o-line and will be gone after next season.
Ezekiel Elliott joined a team that went 4-12 in 2015 and the next season was 13-3.
And again....a single cornerback was NOT going to solve the Cowboys defensive issues. A defensive end or tackle...sure, but not a cornerback.
Drafting a cornerback and thinking that single player would solve the cowboys mediocre defense is wishful thinking. This is a totally different subject if we are talking about a defensive end, or DT on the talent level of a Joey Bosa, or Aaron Donald.
We rushed for 2396 yards in 2016 (with 500-600 of that coming from Dak and Alfred Morris). Again, using Dak's dual threat capabilities
We could have easily drafted Zeke later, Derrick Henry 5 positions earlier than his actual draft position, or found anybody to run behind our behemoth line.
RBs are not worth early round pics if you want to develop depth at the core positions (QB, WR, CB, DL).
https://www.fieldgulls.com/2018/2/25/17050014/seattle-seahawks-nfl-draft-return-running-back-positions-drafted-performance-receiver-line-db-lb-dl
History of RBs taken. Most of the 1st round picks having never sniffed the playoffs. It's a different league and you have to draft accordingly.
http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/rb
Although I agree that getting Zeke later, Henry in the 2nd, or another decent rb in that draft is complete hindsight. I also believe though based on recent draft history, the nfl changing the rules, and the current rb shelf life, RBs are going to continue to be devalued and their stock will continue to fall. The Patriots created a dynasty and I can't remember one of their RBs (oh wait, I remember the 5'6, 170 lb kid that played 4-5 years in the league)
And yes, if I had a flux capacitor, I would draft Ramsey/Henry for Zeke/Smith all day.
Who would you have picked up with the #4 pick?Fore Left! said:
You can't look at the Zeke pick in a vacuum. They picked a dropfoot gimp in the 2nd that was of no use in 2016. Flip the RB-defender 1-2 with defender-RB, ESPECIALLY a defender that actually sees the field, and you've got plenty of impact. For having such a good pass rush, that defense couldn't get the stops it needed to win a playoff game
And Henry would have been fun to watch behind that beast of an OL in 2016x
