Belton Ag said:
Is it just me or does anyone else think it's kind of funny to hear people complain that Solo isn't original enough, just after hearing a bunch of other people complain when they tried to go in a different direction with TLJ.
that's because Woody is a damned good actor.Prophet00 said:
Fgetting introduced to the new ones (I thought Harrelson did a great job). All in all, I thought it was solid.
At the end of the day, this is what matters more than how this one performs at the box office.Zombie Jon Snow said:
You are not the minority... by far the majority here liked it. the minority is more outspoken though.
For the record, I loved TLJ, so don't put me in that boat.Belton Ag said:
Is it just me or does anyone else think it's kind of funny to hear people complain that Solo isn't original enough, just after hearing a bunch of other people complain when they tried to go in a different direction with TLJ.
No, sorry, that wasn't being directed at you personally, just an observation on all of the various camps that have sprung up around this franchise. I could reasonably expect someone who enjoyed TLJ to find Solo kind of stale.AgLaw said:For the record, I loved TLJ, so don't put me in that boat.Belton Ag said:
Is it just me or does anyone else think it's kind of funny to hear people complain that Solo isn't original enough, just after hearing a bunch of other people complain when they tried to go in a different direction with TLJ.
For the record I'm in almost 100% agreement with your first sentence. I really disliked the way Luke Skywalker was handled in TLJ.Ulrich said:
I felt like TLJ was less of a new direction and more of a series of twists for the sake of twists. "Look at me, I'm subverting your expectations!"
I didn't want more exposition, but Solo was really well done. I wanted new material, but TLJ was poorly done. Hoping Abrams can combine the best of both worlds.
you saw the life debt, I just think Han doesn't realize that is what it is, so the audience doesn't either. Solo 2lunchbox said:
I asked this a couple of pages back but it was right before a page flip...
Is Chewie's life debt to Han still canon? From the little bit of reading I did, the life debt was supposed to be due to Han saving Chewie from Imperial slavery.
That's kind of what happened in the movie...but since there was no mention of it, I didn't know if it still existed.
My impression was completely opposite.Quote:
Here's the problem: there was zero originality in this film. The story was a big bag of meh.
MuckRaker96 said:
2. The Imperial academy being on Carida, much as it is in the "Legends" when Han is young. Good drop
3. The Bossk reference. Loved this
4. Tobias killed Aura Sing! Fantastic hardcore fan drop-in. Caught this too, good reference
5. Everything about the Kessel Run including the Maw brought over from another title. (Jedi Academy Series right? Where they built the prototype Death Star and the Suncrusher?)
7. The Mandalorian combat armor in Dryden Vos' yacht (I'll have to look for this next time)
8. Clint Howard (always, haha)
9. Actual aliens from the OT/PT showing up, like the Rodian (Yep, liked seeing new and old mixed)
10. Beckett using Lando's future skiff guard costume. (Loved this little easter egg)
11. Quira using Teras Kasi on Kessell (Caught this as well, had to explain to the wife)
12. the guy from Rogue One being part of the Marauders' crew (didn't catch this, who was it?)
not only Clint Howard but Warwick Davis too!!!SpreadsheetAg said:MuckRaker96 said:
2. The Imperial academy being on Carida, much as it is in the "Legends" when Han is young. Good drop
3. The Bossk reference. Loved this
4. Tobias killed Aura Sing! Fantastic hardcore fan drop-in. Caught this too, good reference
5. Everything about the Kessel Run including the Maw brought over from another title. (Jedi Academy Series right? Where they built the prototype Death Star and the Suncrusher?)
7. The Mandalorian combat armor in Dryden Vos' yacht (I'll have to look for this next time)
8. Clint Howard (always, haha)
9. Actual aliens from the OT/PT showing up, like the Rodian (Yep, liked seeing new and old mixed)
10. Beckett using Lando's future skiff guard costume. (Loved this little easter egg)
11. Quira using Teras Kasi on Kessell (Caught this as well, had to explain to the wife)
12. the guy from Rogue One being part of the Marauders' crew (didn't catch this, who was it?)
Great list, but number one has to be:MuckRaker96 said:
1. Han & Quira going to the Coronet spaceport - Coronet being Corellia's capitol and a city heavily featured in Star Wars Galaxies - the greatest timewaster of my entire life.
2. The Imperial academy being on Carida, much as it is in the "Legends" when Han is young.
3. The Bossk reference.
4. Tobias killed Aura Sing! Fantastic hardcore fan drop-in.
5. Everything about the Kessel Run including the Maw brought over from another title.
6. The Xi sisters reference
7. The Mandalorian combat armor in Dryden Vos' yacht
8. Clint Howard
9. Actual aliens from the OT/PT showing up, like the Rodian
10. Beckett using Lando's future skiff guard costume.
11. Quira using Teras Kasi on Kessell
12. the guy from Rogue One being part of the Marauders' crew
13. The red guy with the horns ... I know him from somewhere.
Brian Earl Spilner said:
Interesting. My guess is it's just based on reputation? If you read the Lords of the Sith book, basically all the Twileks on Ryloth have heard the legends of Vader, and that's just 2-3 years after ROTS.
Zombie Jon Snow said:AgLaw said:TCTTS said:AgLaw said:
Just saw it. Let me start by saying this. I am a massive Star Wars fan. I was six when ANH came out. I had OG figures as a kid. I've seen every movie opening weekend, dating back to 1977. There is not a movie franchise I love more than this.
I loved the characters. I loved the performances (especially Ehenreich and Glover) . I loved the action. As a stabdallne movie, I had fun.
Here's the problem: there was zero originality in this film. The story was a big bag of meh. It had a Phantom Menace/Attack of the Clones feel in the sense that it was two-plus hours of setting up sequels instead of telling a fun story. I felt like they dusted off a B-movie script from the fifties and shoe-horned in a bunch of fanboy SW references (all of which I ate up).
I'll watch it again,, but I'll probabky wait until it's on demand.
I'll give you the originality angle. It didn't feel "fresh," but at the same time, I never expected it to be. It's a movie set in a familiar time in the franchise, starring an extremely familiar character. I don't know why anyone would be going in expecting something "original." The whole point was familiarity (which I admit may have backfired when it came to the box office).
That said, I absolutely do not get your "two plus hours of setting up sequels" comment at all. I literally did not in anyway get that impression save for the last five minutes. To me this was a fun story. One that felt self contained, gave Han a compelling arc, and tied everything up brilliantly. I don't know how it could have been any more of Han Solo spin-off that fully maximized its potential.
You can have originality with familiar characters. See the Christopher Nolan era Batman films or the Daniel Craig Bond films. Just because the characters are known commodities doesn't mean you can't crate something new.
The problem here isn't the characters. The problem is the story. There was nothing new here. The hero with the heart of gold story - this is essentially the same story arc the character takes in ANH.
Here's what we learned: Han is a good guy. Chewy has incredible strength. Both are great pilots. Lando can't be trusted. Welcome to the end of Empire.
Like I said. I'll watch it again. I just wasn't as entertained as I was with Rogue One. This one just seemed too predictable.
If that's all you learned you missed a hell of a lot. did you sleep through it?
I learned:
Han had a rough background
Han was in the military (Empire) and was a deserter
Han had a love interest that drove a lot of his early life
Chewie was tortured and treated like an animal
Chewie stuck with Han because he treated him fairly
Han spoke wookie long before he met Chewie
How Han won the MF - that he initially did not win it actually cuz Lando is a cheater.
How Han accomplished the legendary Kessel run
Han always shot first
etc etc....
I think we learned a lot.
It's a backstory. It's not going to be completely original. but it had a lot for me filling in some blanks and some questions.
And as for characters it had a lot of new ones to fulfill that need - Q'ira, Beckett, L3, Val, Dryden, Enfys. Ok so most of them are dead now. so what... everyone in RO died and I loved it.
It was fun, it added to the overall story, and it was a good action movie. I expected nothing more than that but got a lot more.
"It's their planet. We're the hostiles."MuckRaker96 said:
When I see it again I'll have to try and catch what Lando is saying in the Vlog, it sounded a bit like one of the early novels he's in.
I also really enjoyed the Imperial battle scene early on when Han is just a slug in the army - great look at "the real" Empire, not the stormtroopers and biker scouts and AT-ATs, just the "let's run this planet over with troops" That was a great Fog of War scene.
And how could I forget, the Imperial recruitment video!
Disagree on EVERY singe point.Render said:Zombie Jon Snow said:AgLaw said:TCTTS said:AgLaw said:
Just saw it. Let me start by saying this. I am a massive Star Wars fan. I was six when ANH came out. I had OG figures as a kid. I've seen every movie opening weekend, dating back to 1977. There is not a movie franchise I love more than this.
I loved the characters. I loved the performances (especially Ehenreich and Glover) . I loved the action. As a stabdallne movie, I had fun.
Here's the problem: there was zero originality in this film. The story was a big bag of meh. It had a Phantom Menace/Attack of the Clones feel in the sense that it was two-plus hours of setting up sequels instead of telling a fun story. I felt like they dusted off a B-movie script from the fifties and shoe-horned in a bunch of fanboy SW references (all of which I ate up).
I'll watch it again,, but I'll probabky wait until it's on demand.
I'll give you the originality angle. It didn't feel "fresh," but at the same time, I never expected it to be. It's a movie set in a familiar time in the franchise, starring an extremely familiar character. I don't know why anyone would be going in expecting something "original." The whole point was familiarity (which I admit may have backfired when it came to the box office).
That said, I absolutely do not get your "two plus hours of setting up sequels" comment at all. I literally did not in anyway get that impression save for the last five minutes. To me this was a fun story. One that felt self contained, gave Han a compelling arc, and tied everything up brilliantly. I don't know how it could have been any more of Han Solo spin-off that fully maximized its potential.
You can have originality with familiar characters. See the Christopher Nolan era Batman films or the Daniel Craig Bond films. Just because the characters are known commodities doesn't mean you can't crate something new.
The problem here isn't the characters. The problem is the story. There was nothing new here. The hero with the heart of gold story - this is essentially the same story arc the character takes in ANH.
Here's what we learned: Han is a good guy. Chewy has incredible strength. Both are great pilots. Lando can't be trusted. Welcome to the end of Empire.
Like I said. I'll watch it again. I just wasn't as entertained as I was with Rogue One. This one just seemed too predictable.
If that's all you learned you missed a hell of a lot. did you sleep through it?
I learned:
Han had a rough background
Han was in the military (Empire) and was a deserter
Han had a love interest that drove a lot of his early life
Chewie was tortured and treated like an animal
Chewie stuck with Han because he treated him fairly
Han spoke wookie long before he met Chewie
How Han won the MF - that he initially did not win it actually cuz Lando is a cheater.
How Han accomplished the legendary Kessel run
Han always shot first
etc etc....
I think we learned a lot.
It's a backstory. It's not going to be completely original. but it had a lot for me filling in some blanks and some questions.
And as for characters it had a lot of new ones to fulfill that need - Q'ira, Beckett, L3, Val, Dryden, Enfys. Ok so most of them are dead now. so what... everyone in RO died and I loved it.
It was fun, it added to the overall story, and it was a good action movie. I expected nothing more than that but got a lot more.
All that is the problem. That's not what makes movies interesting. Take all the SW stuff out of this movie - would it still be a good movie? Would it stand on its own merits? I say no.
Do we really need to see every minutia of this character fleshed out? And why are we even doing that? Because we like the character. And why do we like the character? Because they went on fun space adventures with likeable characters. And was this movie a fun space adventure with likeable characters? No. But it could have been, if this movie had focused on being a movie.
Half of this movie was spent on ultimately pointless backstory, and the other half was spent on a boring plot and dull characters. (Granted, the Kessel Run should have great, but Disney somehow made it a boring CGI schizophrenic mess. Lando is an interesting character, but was given little screen time, and Woody's character (who I can't even remember the name of) could have been interesting, but we weren't given any time to spend with him.)
Ultimately this movie was like trying to tell the backstory of Eastwood's Man with No Name. Why even bother? "Oh we need to see how he got to the West and why he smokes cigars!" You'll never make a good movie with that mentality. SW movies are turning into Wookieepedia articles - and that's not a good thing.
Just so y'all know I'm not a complete cynic, take Furiosa from Mad Max: Fury Road. She was a brand new character in an established universe, and it was a fantastic movie. That's how Disney should do it: new characters unencumbered by backstory, with the focus being on telling a story. Because that's why people see movies - to be immersed in the movie's universe via a good plot, characters, and appeal to emotion.
You could have his syndicate taken down, but he escapes and goes into hiding...possibly due to the distraction of a dying/injured Qi'raFlashdiaz said:
nice timeline.
Let's say they expand on Maul in the movies (Solo 2, Obi Wan), how will they bring closure to the character for the audience that doesn't watch cartoons?
