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So random thought...
In "Solo" we learned about Crimson Dawn and their leadership.
Next movie is Boba Fett .. could have him do his first job for Crimson Dawn .. develop more of that world.
Last, w/ an Obi-wan movie .. the movie should end w/ Obi-wan vs Crimson Dawn leader as shown in Star War Rebels.
Sad .. still would love to see a Star War Rogue Squadron movie
In "Solo" we learned about Crimson Dawn and their leadership.
Next movie is Boba Fett .. could have him do his first job for Crimson Dawn .. develop more of that world.
Last, w/ an Obi-wan movie .. the movie should end w/ Obi-wan vs Crimson Dawn leader as shown in Star War Rebels.
Sad .. still would love to see a Star War Rogue Squadron movie
Qi'ra and Darth Maul wouldn't suck.Ambres said:
So random thought...
In "Solo" we learned about Crimson Dawn and their leadership.
Next movie is Boba Fett .. could have him do his first job for Crimson Dawn .. develop more of that world.
Last, w/ an Obi-wan movie .. the movie should end w/ Obi-wan vs Crimson Dawn leader as shown in Star War Rebels.
Sad .. still would love to see a Star War Rogue Squadron movie
Just FYI, the next spin-off likely isn't Boba Fett. It's almost assuredly Obi-Wan. Mangold is currently developing two other movies before Boba Fett. I doubt he makes both, but one of them, ironically, is based on the best-selling novel The Force, which is apparently a phenomenal book that is considered The Godfather of police sagas.
Saw it this afternoon, thought it was great. Lots of fun, lots of call backs, but doesn't beat you over the head with them, except for the dice. The music was great, loved hearing all the classic themes like the ESB asteroid. Can't think of much I would change, maybe get rid of the giant space octopus.
I'll put it neck and neck with Rogue One as my favorite behind SW, ESB, and ROTJ.
I'll put it neck and neck with Rogue One as my favorite behind SW, ESB, and ROTJ.
Russian interference?
Just got to see it today. Just a really, really fun movie. Woody was great, Ehrenreich was better than I expected and Emilia Clarke was good. Freaking Donald Glover was perfect as Lando.
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Just saw it. Let me start by saying this. I am a massive Star Wars fan. I was six when ANH came out. I had OG figures as a kid. I've seen every movie opening weekend, dating back to 1977. There is not a movie franchise I love more than this.
I loved the characters. I loved the performances (especially Ehenreich and Glover) . I loved the action. As a standalone movie, I had fun.
Here's the problem: there was zero originality in this film. The story was a big bag of meh. It had a Phantom Menace/Attack of the Clones feel in the sense that it was two-plus hours of setting up sequels instead of telling a fun story. I felt like they dusted off a B-movie script from the fifties and shoe-horned in a bunch of fanboy SW references (all of which I ate up).
I'll watch it again,, but I'll probabky wait until it's on demand.
I loved the characters. I loved the performances (especially Ehenreich and Glover) . I loved the action. As a standalone movie, I had fun.
Here's the problem: there was zero originality in this film. The story was a big bag of meh. It had a Phantom Menace/Attack of the Clones feel in the sense that it was two-plus hours of setting up sequels instead of telling a fun story. I felt like they dusted off a B-movie script from the fifties and shoe-horned in a bunch of fanboy SW references (all of which I ate up).
I'll watch it again,, but I'll probabky wait until it's on demand.
AgLaw said:
Just saw it. Let me start by saying this. I am a massive Star Wars fan. I was six when ANH came out. I had OG figures as a kid. I've seen every movie opening weekend, dating back to 1977. There is not a movie franchise I love more than this.
I loved the characters. I loved the performances (especially Ehenreich and Glover) . I loved the action. As a stabdallne movie, I had fun.
Here's the problem: there was zero originality in this film. The story was a big bag of meh. It had a Phantom Menace/Attack of the Clones feel in the sense that it was two-plus hours of setting up sequels instead of telling a fun story. I felt like they dusted off a B-movie script from the fifties and shoe-horned in a bunch of fanboy SW references (all of which I ate up).
I'll watch it again,, but I'll probabky wait until it's on demand.
I'll give you the originality angle. It didn't feel "fresh," but at the same time, I never expected it to be. It's a movie set in a familiar time in the franchise, starring an extremely familiar character. I don't know why anyone would be going in expecting something "original." The whole point was familiarity (which I admit may have backfired when it came to the box office).
That said, I absolutely do not get your "two plus hours of setting up sequels" comment at all. I literally did not in anyway get that impression save for the last five minutes. To me this was a fun story. One that felt self contained, gave Han a compelling arc, and tied everything up brilliantly. I don't know how it could have been any more of Han Solo spin-off that fully maximized its potential.
The last Jedi sucked and made me realize that I don't care about this "world" and the direction that Disney is taking it. Plenty of other good and original movies to spend my limited movie budget on.
And based on the numbers coming in, i don't think that I am the only person that thinks this way.
And based on the numbers coming in, i don't think that I am the only person that thinks this way.
TCTTS said:AgLaw said:
Just saw it. Let me start by saying this. I am a massive Star Wars fan. I was six when ANH came out. I had OG figures as a kid. I've seen every movie opening weekend, dating back to 1977. There is not a movie franchise I love more than this.
I loved the characters. I loved the performances (especially Ehenreich and Glover) . I loved the action. As a stabdallne movie, I had fun.
Here's the problem: there was zero originality in this film. The story was a big bag of meh. It had a Phantom Menace/Attack of the Clones feel in the sense that it was two-plus hours of setting up sequels instead of telling a fun story. I felt like they dusted off a B-movie script from the fifties and shoe-horned in a bunch of fanboy SW references (all of which I ate up).
I'll watch it again,, but I'll probabky wait until it's on demand.
I'll give you the originality angle. It didn't feel "fresh," but at the same time, I never expected it to be. It's a movie set in a familiar time in the franchise, starring an extremely familiar character. I don't know why anyone would be going in expecting something "original." The whole point was familiarity (which I admit may have backfired when it came to the box office).
That said, I absolutely do not get your "two plus hours of setting up sequels" comment at all. I literally did not in anyway get that impression save for the last five minutes. To me this was a fun story. One that felt self contained, gave Han a compelling arc, and tied everything up brilliantly. I don't know how it could have been any more of Han Solo spin-off that fully maximized its potential.
You can have originality with familiar characters. See the Christopher Nolan era Batman films or the Daniel Craig Bond films. Just because the characters are known commodities doesn't mean you can't crate something new.
The problem here isn't the characters. The problem is the story. There was nothing new here. The hero with the heart of gold story - this is essentially the same story arc the character takes in ANH.
Here's what we learned: Han is a good guy. Chewy has incredible strength. Both are great pilots. Lando can't be trusted. Welcome to the end of Empire.
Like I said. I'll watch it again. I just wasn't as entertained as I was with Rogue One. This one just seemed too predictable.
I don't disagree, but those are both bad examples since they're reboots.
AgLaw said:TCTTS said:AgLaw said:
Just saw it. Let me start by saying this. I am a massive Star Wars fan. I was six when ANH came out. I had OG figures as a kid. I've seen every movie opening weekend, dating back to 1977. There is not a movie franchise I love more than this.
I loved the characters. I loved the performances (especially Ehenreich and Glover) . I loved the action. As a stabdallne movie, I had fun.
Here's the problem: there was zero originality in this film. The story was a big bag of meh. It had a Phantom Menace/Attack of the Clones feel in the sense that it was two-plus hours of setting up sequels instead of telling a fun story. I felt like they dusted off a B-movie script from the fifties and shoe-horned in a bunch of fanboy SW references (all of which I ate up).
I'll watch it again,, but I'll probabky wait until it's on demand.
I'll give you the originality angle. It didn't feel "fresh," but at the same time, I never expected it to be. It's a movie set in a familiar time in the franchise, starring an extremely familiar character. I don't know why anyone would be going in expecting something "original." The whole point was familiarity (which I admit may have backfired when it came to the box office).
That said, I absolutely do not get your "two plus hours of setting up sequels" comment at all. I literally did not in anyway get that impression save for the last five minutes. To me this was a fun story. One that felt self contained, gave Han a compelling arc, and tied everything up brilliantly. I don't know how it could have been any more of Han Solo spin-off that fully maximized its potential.
You can have originality with familiar characters. See the Christopher Nolan era Batman films or the Daniel Craig Bond films. Just because the characters are known commodities doesn't mean you can't crate something new.
The problem here isn't the characters. The problem is the story. There was nothing new here. The hero with the heart of gold story - this is essentially the same story arc the character takes in ANH.
Here's what we learned: Han is a good guy. Chewy has incredible strength. Both are great pilots. Lando can't be trusted. Welcome to the end of Empire.
Like I said. I'll watch it again. I just wasn't as entertained as I was with Rogue One. This one just seemed too predictable.
If that's all you learned you missed a hell of a lot. did you sleep through it?
I learned:
Han had a rough background
Han was in the military (Empire) and was a deserter
Han had a love interest that drove a lot of his early life
Chewie was tortured and treated like an animal
Chewie stuck with Han because he treated him fairly
Han spoke wookie long before he met Chewie
How Han won the MF - that he initially did not win it actually cuz Lando is a cheater.
How Han accomplished the legendary Kessel run
Han always shot first
etc etc....
I think we learned a lot.
It's a backstory. It's not going to be completely original. but it had a lot for me filling in some blanks and some questions.
And as for characters it had a lot of new ones to fulfill that need - Q'ira, Beckett, L3, Val, Dryden, Enfys. Ok so most of them are dead now. so what... everyone in RO died and I loved it.
It was fun, it added to the overall story, and it was a good action movie. I expected nothing more than that but got a lot more.
Yeah, I hear you. It was familiar characters doing familiar things, and I get how that's an issue for some. I guess I just didn't expect them to be all that different from the versions we've come to love. And in that sense, sure, in no way was this movie essential. But on the same token, that's one of the reasons I liked it. I didn't need to learn new things or see different versions of these characters. I just wanted to hang out with Han and the gang for a fun little adventure.
Though, I'd argue that we DID see the heartbreak and backstabbing that helped make Han the Han we've come to know. In other words, he wasn't the same character in the beginning that he was in the end.
Though, I'd argue that we DID see the heartbreak and backstabbing that helped make Han the Han we've come to know. In other words, he wasn't the same character in the beginning that he was in the end.
Brian Earl Spilner said:
I don't disagree, but those are both bad examples since they're reboots.
Ehrenreich has a three-movie deal. Make no mistake - this is a reboot. They are bringing back familiar characters to breathe life into the franchise. They can do that while stilll being original.
It was fun. I liked it. Just didn't love it.
Zombie Jon Snow said:AgLaw said:TCTTS said:AgLaw said:
Just saw it. Let me start by saying this. I am a massive Star Wars fan. I was six when ANH came out. I had OG figures as a kid. I've seen every movie opening weekend, dating back to 1977. There is not a movie franchise I love more than this.
I loved the characters. I loved the performances (especially Ehenreich and Glover) . I loved the action. As a stabdallne movie, I had fun.
Here's the problem: there was zero originality in this film. The story was a big bag of meh. It had a Phantom Menace/Attack of the Clones feel in the sense that it was two-plus hours of setting up sequels instead of telling a fun story. I felt like they dusted off a B-movie script from the fifties and shoe-horned in a bunch of fanboy SW references (all of which I ate up).
I'll watch it again,, but I'll probabky wait until it's on demand.
I'll give you the originality angle. It didn't feel "fresh," but at the same time, I never expected it to be. It's a movie set in a familiar time in the franchise, starring an extremely familiar character. I don't know why anyone would be going in expecting something "original." The whole point was familiarity (which I admit may have backfired when it came to the box office).
That said, I absolutely do not get your "two plus hours of setting up sequels" comment at all. I literally did not in anyway get that impression save for the last five minutes. To me this was a fun story. One that felt self contained, gave Han a compelling arc, and tied everything up brilliantly. I don't know how it could have been any more of Han Solo spin-off that fully maximized its potential.
You can have originality with familiar characters. See the Christopher Nolan era Batman films or the Daniel Craig Bond films. Just because the characters are known commodities doesn't mean you can't crate something new.
The problem here isn't the characters. The problem is the story. There was nothing new here. The hero with the heart of gold story - this is essentially the same story arc the character takes in ANH.
Here's what we learned: Han is a good guy. Chewy has incredible strength. Both are great pilots. Lando can't be trusted. Welcome to the end of Empire.
Like I said. I'll watch it again. I just wasn't as entertained as I was with Rogue One. This one just seemed too predictable.
If that's all you learned you missed a hell of a lot. did you sleep through it?
I learned:
Han had a rough background
Han was in the military (Empire) and was a deserter
Han had a love interest that drove a lot of his early life
Chewie was tortured and treated like an animal
Chewie stuck with Han because he treated him fairly
Han spoke wookie long before he met Chewie
How Han won the MF - that he initially did not win it actually cuz Lando is a cheater.
How Han accomplished the legendary Kessel run
Han always shot first
etc etc....
I think we learned a lot.
It's a backstory. It's not going to be completely original. but it had a lot for me filling in some blanks and some questions.
And as for characters it had a lot of new ones to fulfill that need - Q'ira, Beckett, L3, Val, Dryden, Enfys. Ok so most of them are dead now. so what... everyone in RO died and I loved it.
It was fun, it added to the overall story, and it was a good action movie. I expected nothing more than that but got a lot more.
Well said
Very well put.
I don't think you understand what the term reboot means.
TCTTS said:
I didn't need to learn new things or see different versions of these characters. I just wanted to hang out with Han and the gang for a fun little adventure.
Fair point and nothing wrong with that. I had fun with them, too. And i still see the next SW movie opening weekend. It's part of my DNA.
TCTTS said:
I don't think you understand what the term reboot means.
Holy ***** George, is that you?
AgLaw said:Brian Earl Spilner said:
I don't disagree, but those are both bad examples since they're reboots.
Ehrenreich has a three-movie deal. Make no mistake - this is a reboot. They are bringing back familiar characters to breathe life into the franchise. They can do that while stilll being original.
It was fun. I liked it. Just didn't love it.
As TC mentioned, it doesn't sound like you understand the meaning of reboot. A reboot throws away all previous versions of the character and starts from scratch. A new universe.
This movie is set in the existing universe and is filling in blanks.
Gotcha, and you're right. They are not discarding the SW universe. But they are trying to create a new three-movie story arc to bridge the gap between ROTS and Rogue One. That's probably as close to a "reboot" as we are going to get in this universe.
AgLaw said:
Gotcha, and you're right. They are not discarding the SW universe. But they are trying to create a new three-movie story arc to bridge the gap between ROTS and Rogue One. That's probably as close to a "reboot" as we are going to get in this universe.
Filling in gaps in no way constitutes a reboot. It might actually be the opposite of a reboot.
Some of ya'll are absolutely insane. Ya'll want to turn every Star Wars thraed into a politics thread. Have fun I'm out.Dr. Teeth said:MBAR said:
It's making less money because of its release time. People only have so much to spend at the movies and the past month was full of things I'd see before Solo.
It's bombing because TLJ was a full on and completely unnecessary character assassination of one of cinema's greatest heroes for the sake of "diversity"... followed by six months of Kathleen Kennedy, Rian Johnson, and J.J. Abrams calling the franchise's biggest lifelong fans sexists and bigots, and going on about how they didn't need or want us as fans.
Disney has effectively taken $4B and lit it on fire.
The reboots have been well done, and I think Kennedy should have earned out trust by now.
I just wish we could keep our personal politics out of it and enjoy the films
I just wish we could keep our personal politics out of it and enjoy the films
******* it, I agree with the troll.
Except for calling them reboots.
Except for calling them reboots.
Is it just me or does anyone else think it's kind of funny to hear people complain that Solo isn't original enough, just after hearing a bunch of other people complain when they tried to go in a different direction with TLJ.
So, now that we've seen the movie, thoughts on the long rumored "best Star Wars script ever"? A really cool story, but some mindnumblngly bad ideas from the writers, like the name scene.
As for the series of films they are setting up, I hope they make a movie with Lando as the protagonist and Han as the supporting character. I don't want the movie we just saw to be the entirety of Han and Lando's relationships pre-Empire Strikes Back. Maybe something with the Battle of Tanaab?
As for the series of films they are setting up, I hope they make a movie with Lando as the protagonist and Han as the supporting character. I don't want the movie we just saw to be the entirety of Han and Lando's relationships pre-Empire Strikes Back. Maybe something with the Battle of Tanaab?
Finally saw it yesterday. Based on the discussions, I guess I am in the minority. I was raised on the OT, didn't care for the prequels, but really liked RO, TFA and *gasp* TLJ.
I thought Solo was great. I went into it with little expectations, but like Spilner said, I came away with a lot of questions answered. I thought they filled in a lot of holes. Sure, some of it felt unoriginal because the characters and storyline felt familiar, but I loved the character development of who we know (Han/Lando/Chewy) and getting introduced to the new ones (I thought Harrelson did a great job). All in all, I thought it was solid.
My 10-year old loved, loved, loved it. He's seen every piece of SW material, and was raised on Clone Wars/Rebels as much as the OT. It's clear that Disney is putting in the groundwork to build a fanbase that loves all things SW, and is hungry to see both new and old material from the Universe.
I thought Solo was great. I went into it with little expectations, but like Spilner said, I came away with a lot of questions answered. I thought they filled in a lot of holes. Sure, some of it felt unoriginal because the characters and storyline felt familiar, but I loved the character development of who we know (Han/Lando/Chewy) and getting introduced to the new ones (I thought Harrelson did a great job). All in all, I thought it was solid.
My 10-year old loved, loved, loved it. He's seen every piece of SW material, and was raised on Clone Wars/Rebels as much as the OT. It's clear that Disney is putting in the groundwork to build a fanbase that loves all things SW, and is hungry to see both new and old material from the Universe.
Prophet00 said:
Finally saw it yesterday. Based on the discussions, I guess I am in the minority. I was raised on the OT, didn't care for the prequels, but really liked RO, TFA and *gasp* TLJ.
I thought Solo was great. I went into it with little expectations, but like Spilner said, I came away with a lot of questions answered. I thought they filled in a lot of holes. Sure, some of it felt unoriginal because the characters and storyline felt familiar, but I loved the character development of who we know (Han/Lando/Chewy) and getting introduced to the new ones (I thought Harrelson did a great job). All in all, I thought it was solid.
My 10-year old loved, loved, loved it. He's seen every piece of SW material, and was raised on Clone Wars/Rebels as much as the OT. It's clear that Disney is putting in the groundwork to build a fanbase that loves all things SW, and is hungry to see both new and old material from the Universe.
You are not the minority... by far the majority here liked it. the minority is more outspoken though.
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