Yes, D&D are DB Weiss and David Benioff, the show runners of GoT

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America's destiny is not of our own choosing. We did not seek nor did we provoke an assault on our freedom and our way of life. We did not expect nor did we invite a confrontation with evil. Yet the true measure of a people's strength is how they rise to master that moment when it does arrive.

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(and Aegon's grandson - his claim to the throne is equal to Dany's by blood).

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I'm only just starting Feast for Crows, so I don't know if they kill her off, but what about Stannis' daughter. She more or less flies under the radar so far, but she'd have a claim.

I was under the impression that women take a back seat to all male heirs. The problem with Aegon is that many won't believe he is who he says he is, which is why Dany actually has a better claim.

This twitter handle is delicious! https://twitter.com/redweddingtears

My favorites are the ones questions the screenwriters and HBO for allowing this to happen!

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Chris Fuglestad ‏@c_fugg 2h

Game of Thrones literally just killed me.

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Literally? Really?

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Rose Winchester ‏@thespnwhiz 8h

hAVING A ****ING MENTAL BREAKDOWN OVER GAME OF THRONES NO WHAT THE HELL WHAT THE HELL I DIDN'T THINK IT'D BE HTIS BAD NO

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Terence Johnson ‏@LeNoirAuteur 17h

*jumps off the highest point in King's landing* **** THE LANNISTERS. **** ROOSE BOLTON. **** EVERYONE ON THIS GOT DAMN SHOW

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HAhaha

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Peter Scarpato ‏@scarpete21 17h

I AM ****ING RIP ****. Game of thrones just ****ed me so hard. Ill kill every single one of the frays and **** lord Bolton. Rip rob

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Sinéad Una ‏@flowersandfolk 7h

I wanted to tweet five minutes ago about watching this weeks game of thrones. BUT I COULDN'T BECAUSE I WAS SOBBING AN OCEAN OF TEARS.

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http://connect.hbo.com/events/game-thrones/q-michelle-fairley/

The fun part is all of the tv viewers who think she's done.

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The fun part is all of the tv viewers who think she's done.

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And awesome that she's playing along...

either that or the show isn't bringing her back.

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it’s an evil f’ing castle

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I read this in SLj's voice he uses when he is quoting scripture in pulp fiction.

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And awesome that she's playing along...

either that or the show isn't bringing her back.

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Haven't gotten far enough in FFC to know how important dead Cat is. They managed to hold the Red Wedding close, so I can see her playing along.

The description from the book was not flattering. Wonder why she's SO undead when Beric isn't as much- then again, he didn't float down the river for a while either.

I think it's the combination of her going mad right before she died - her brain just kind of snapped - and the three days in the drink.

Have they said if Catelyn Stark will come back as she did in the books?

They haven't said either way, but I think they will because of Brienne.

the show producers have showed a willingness to alter the looks of the characters, so they could easily bring her back but not damage her looks near as much as was depicted in the novels. especially since they did not show her clawing at her face like she did in the book. See also the scar on Tyrion's face rather than a missing nose, the lack of blue facial hair for Daario Naaharis, etc.

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America's destiny is not of our own choosing. We did not seek nor did we provoke an assault on our freedom and our way of life. We did not expect nor did we invite a confrontation with evil. Yet the true measure of a people's strength is how they rise to master that moment when it does arrive.

I think Cibolo has it. They aren't going to make her the complete freakshow she is in the books. That just hasn't been the pattern and it will turn off TV viewers. I would expect something closer to Beric.

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I read this in SLj's voice he uses when he is quoting scripture in pulp fiction.

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For a second, I thought you were referencing Sheila Jackson Lee's voice instead of Samuel L Jackson's voice. Really changed my interpretation of your post and other events.

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For a second, I thought you were referencing Sheila Jackson Lee's voice instead of Samuel L Jackson's voice.

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Hahahahahahahahaha. Yeah, I can imagine that made you think I was some kind of halfwit.

The North Remebers!!!

From the non-spoiler thread:

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Rob's wife (Talisa?), was her family of any importance?

Could they enter the fray , bend on vengeance?

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In terms of the show, what if Talisa has ties to the Ironbank of Braavos. I guess that doesn't make sense, her being from Volantis. This is me thinking my ideas through in real time. lol.

Basically, Talisa probably served only to let the readers know that Robb was no daddy.

Thinking back I kinda wish the sh*tty band was playing, but that Rains of did give me chills.

Talisa's family is of no more importance than the Westerlings. Probably less, truth be told.

I think Talisa also increases the "horror" of what happened.

This is posted on the non-spoilers thread, but thought it also belonged here.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78juOpTM3tE&sns=em

HBO should do their own version of Google's "It gets better," for all the non-readers out there threatening to quit the show now.

I think non-readers might assume that means they aren't done killing off the rest of the Starks.

I just started looking at @redweddingtears, holy sh_t!

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Booker DeWitt @mason_malloy 5h
Game of Thrones tonight: PEW PEW **** YOU *SLITS THROAT* YEAH ***** YOU'RE ALL DEAD OH AND YOU TOO WOLF. STAB STAB STAB YEAAAAAAAAH *****

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Unless I'm mis-remembering, another protagonist doesn't die until Jon Snow, and that is still iffy. Maybe Quentyn or ygritte, but that's about it. We have a string of antagonists dying like Tywin, Balon, Joffrey, and Lysa. There is a general upswing after arya's fake death.

I honestly do not want the Boltons and Freys to fall. GRRM is making this series to be gritty and realistic; how many times in real life do the bad guys get away with it? There are some vile, genocidal aholes in the world that die of old age in their mansions. Breaking the established motif just to indulge fans in some emotional justice would be lame.

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There are some vile, genocidal aholes in the world that die of old age in their mansions. Breaking the established motif just to indulge fans in some emotional justice would be lame.

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BS I want Arya and her Direwolf to kill all of them and eat the dragons for good measure.

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Game of Thrones literally just killed me.

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Literally? Really?

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Who knew Robb Stark used Twitter?

Watching the RW took me back to the initial shock and dismay I experienced upon first reading it. At the time, I couldn't understand why an author would do it. My wife stopped reading the books after that chapter because (in her view) GRRM broke the trust between author and reader. By comparison, Ned's death was easily explained; it's the catalyst that drives all the rest of the action in the story. Without Ned's death, there is no story. But GRRM's reason for writing the RW is still very disappointing, and ultimately ridiculous. He claims that he knew Robb and Catelyn had to die because every reader would be expecting the eldest son to avenge his father. That's it? Really? To my mind, this is just lazy. It would have been a more impressive feat of writing to overcome the cliché without resorting to the cheap trick of simply killing the character. GRRM instead seems to be punishing readers for making the "mistake" of allowing themselves to become emotionally attached and invested in certain characters. If I'm being trained not to care about any specific character and the author keeps making writing blunders like the Meereenese Knot and splitting AFFC and ADWD into two disjointed, unsatisfying, separate books, why bother reading them? Now he says that the ending will be "bittersweet." F that. The only major characters worth rooting for now are Arya, Tyrion, Jon, Dany and Jaime. Should I now expect all of them to die because GRRM's overriding motivation is to avoid being predictable?

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Now he says that the ending will be "bittersweet." F that.

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******* will never finish the books before he dies himself, so it is kind of a moot point regarding any kind of ending. Write your own because he will never finish.

This is worth posting!

http://vine.co/v/b3XZMHmxzxh

Remember the "Stupid Ned Stark" meme? Robb wasn't stupid, but he did make mistakes. Betraying the Freys was the big one, but he also stubbornly lost the Karstarks. Not that I disagree with his decision there.

He also tried to get in bed with the Greyjoys, and that bit him (although, again, I would have trusted Theon too).

After all of that, it's almost unrealistic to have expected him to survive, much less beat the Lannisters - much less beat the Lannisters, Tyrells AND Greyjoys.

I remember when I read the books a few years ago how happy I was that they killed off catelyn. It was a shock and I felt bad that the north seemed doomed, but I was happy catelyn was dead. At least the annoying, talking catelyn was. Her and Sansa have to be the two most annoying characters in the books for me. The only purpose catelyn had was to show what's going on within the army of the north.

Can we submit one of those White House petitions to have Patchface written into the show for Season 4? Maybe he will be found among the wildlings and taken into Stannis' household as Shireen's fool rather than already being on Dragonstone all along.

http://io9.com/the-100-best-tweets-about-last-nights-game-of-thrones-511003444

A great compilation of many excellent tweets. I have been waiting for this moment since the show was announced and the community is certainly not disappointing.