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*** Game of Thrones: Season 3 (spoilers-allowed thread) ***

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Elliot P. Campbell
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6:36a, 1/12/13
in regards to TV-tywin vs. book-tywin, i think the best thing about the former is Charles Dance, period. dude completely nailed Tywin and all his mannerisms, IMO

but i think it's natural with the nature of these characters that the more time you spend in their head, the more you relate to them - so when Tywin dies in the books, or hell even when Robb dies, it's not nearly as jarring as when PoV characters die (hell, even Aerys Oakheart's death made me sad, and he was a minor character - but we were him when he bit the bullet)

in the show, Robb's death will obviously have a much greater impact cause viewers have been off at war with him, instead of just hearing reports through catelyn. i think the same could happen with Tywin, since we've gotten to know him a lot better thru the new Arya scenes. i'm really hoping they keep in the twist of Tysha being a ***** that tywin hired, so then viewers can relate to what tyrion does
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Elliot P. Campbell
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6:40a, 1/12/13
BTW, random topic to help fill time between now and march 31st (and since this is now for sure a spoiler thread for all 5 books)

what does everyone thing will happen with Jon Connington and Aegon? i need to re-read dance cause it's been a while, but if i remember right they were starting their mini-invasion near the end of that book, and doing so pretty successfully. there are a lot of players that we've spent a lot of time with (dany, greyjoys, tyrion, davos, littlefinger, varys) but Aegon and Connington sort of came out of nowhere in the midst of all this
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Hobo Zombie
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6:52a, 1/12/13
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i'm really hoping they keep in the twist of Tysha being a ***** that tywin hired, so then viewers can relate to what tyrion does


The twist is that Tysha WASN'T a whore that Tywin hired. He had an innocent peasant that cared for Tyrion gang-raped and fabricated the story to influence Tyrion's opinion against her. He could not have one of his children marry a peasant and damage the reputation of the Lannister house.

[This message has been edited by Hobo Zombie (edited 1/12/2013 6:54a).]
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7:06a, 1/12/13
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Considering Ned's constant "save the children from slaughter" (Dany, cersei's kids), the idea that he would want to save his only nephew from his best friend's wrath isn't a big stretch.


To me, it feels like the former may be due to the latter. Especially with Dany. While it isn't so far-fetched to believe that there would be moral qualms about killing teenagers because of their bloodline, it seems stupidly impractical that someone would oppose doing so if it was clear that they both had a claim to the throne and were making moves to create a powerful army. Yet, Ned Stark is opposed to it. I think it would be less due to a moral compunction against killing the quasi-innocent offpring of a defeated dynasty, and more due to the fact that it continues a precedent that would be dangerous to Jon. If it is okay to kill Dany for being Aerys' daughter, it would also be acceptable to kill Jon for being Rhaegar's son. I think his extremely strong (to the point of resigning his position as Hand of the King) position was to attempt to protect Jon Snow, if the truth of his origins were ever revealed. If the deposed king's daughter were spared, surely so should his grandson.


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Elliot P. Campbell
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10:50a, 1/12/13
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The twist is that Tysha WASN'T a ***** that Tywin hired. He had an innocent peasant that cared for Tyrion gang-raped and fabricated the story to influence Tyrion's opinion against her. He could not have one of his children marry a peasant and damage the reputation of the Lannister house.


oh whoops, brain fart, you're right
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AggieSouth06
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10:57a, 1/12/13
Tywin and Robb are much better characters in the show than in the books (I just pissed off 85% of you reading this). Arguably, Catelyn is, too. Will make this season even more brutal to the casual fan.
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BenFiasco14
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12:10p, 1/12/13
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Tywin and Robb are much better characters in the show than in the books (I just pissed off 85% of you reading this). Arguably, Catelyn is, too. Will make this season even more brutal to the casual fan.


Yeah I mean making those characters more seen in the show just made it more watchable and marketable. Nothing wrong with pointing that out
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BillOnCapitolHill
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12:42p, 1/12/13
Hobo thanks for that. That was the point I was trying to make to support R+L=J based off of a known character stand.
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Hobo Zombie
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1:35p, 1/12/13
Yeah, there's so much stuff supporting R+L=J that if Jon's parentage is anything else, it is going to feel a bit contrived.
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BillOnCapitolHill
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1:49p, 1/12/13
Idk, with the titles of TWoW and A Dream of Spring, I fully expect the WWs to sweep Westeros and kill everyone.

Jon will be revealed as TPTWP right after he finds the true death.
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BillOnCapitolHill
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1:54p, 1/12/13
Recently I had this crazy idea, let me know what y'all think.

I know Beric transferred his ressurrection into Catelyn but she seems more of a ghost than simply a resurrected body. I think the Red God has concentrated one of his seven personas into Catlyn as The Stranger, the mysterious death that comes knocking.

We will have more Breinne chapters that focus on Cat.
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Hobo Zombie
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2:06p, 1/12/13
Are the Seven aspects of the R'hllor? To my knowledge, Red Priests only believe in two dieties, the R'hllor and The Other, and consider veneration of the Seven to be blasphemy.
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BillOnCapitolHill
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4:57p, 1/12/13
It is my understanding that R'hyllor (and quitepossibly The Other) are aspects of The One True God. At least that was the impression from Aryas handler in Bravos. "When ppl pray to the god of light or the Mother or the old gods, they are all praying to our God."
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BillOnCapitolHill
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5:05p, 1/12/13
It's been my contention that the Faith of the Seven arose from the 7 aspects of the One God, or at least that's what I took away from one of the maesters when he admitted there was only one god.

So if we know that God is a merciful Mother, a creative Builder, a fierce Warrior etc maybe we should be paying attention to those with supernatural gifts given by the One True God in the context of the Seven.
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12:06a, 1/14/13
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I know Beric transferred his ressurrection into Catelyn but she seems more of a ghost than simply a resurrected body. I think the Red God has concentrated one of his seven personas into Catlyn as The Stranger, the mysterious death that comes knocking.


Hmmm this is a very interesting idea and one that I like a lot! So... the Stranger, one of the Seven and also The Other in the Rhllor faith.. what do you think this significance will be? Any mentions we get of the Stranger, from the Seven followers or Red Priests is usually fear, that even speaking outloud about the Stranger could lead to some sort of punishment... What could it mean if The Stranger really has manifested itself inside of Catelyn?
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1:51p, 1/16/13
I just finished dance with dragons. I will be pissed if jon snow is really dead or comes back a zombie. Im hoping his death was faked some how so he can get out of the nights watch and go kick boltons ass and rule the north.
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Inspector Spacetime
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3:01p, 1/16/13
So is this thread going to contain spoilers from later books like the one above? Cause while I've finished book three and am now working through four, I'd still like to be able to participate in this thread without someone giving away something pretty big like that. I guess someone dying isn't really much of a spoiler anymore since you pretty much expect it possibly happening to anyone at any time, but can we at least set the rules for this thread?

I imagine I'm not the only one who started trying to get caught up after the end of the show's second season...


Edit: saw aggie93's post from the previous page and see that this is going to be a spoiler thread for me after all.

Really wouldn't prefer to have to start a non-spoiler thread "for people working their way through the books" but hell, this show has no shortage of people wanting to talk about it so maybe it's do-able

[This message has been edited by Inspector Spacetime (edited 1/16/2013 3:03p).]
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HZ1985
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3:10p, 1/16/13
Get to reading. The last 2 books are manageable in a week.
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Inspector Spacetime
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3:14p, 1/16/13
That's quite the assumption you're making about my schedule. Sorry, they're not.

I'll come back and read this thread when I have, but I don't get through books that quickly unfortunately.
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tremble
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3:24p, 1/16/13
Read and come back. That said that's a ****ty wat to find out but the last 2 seasons we've had a spoiler and a non-spoiler thread for each season.
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Inspector Spacetime
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3:27p, 1/16/13
I knew about those threads and participated in the "non-reader" ones but was excited to participate in the other one this time around. Forgot that the people in those threads have typically read and will discuss them all from the context of all five books.
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Inspector Spacetime
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3:29p, 1/16/13
Also, while I may not be able to read book 4 and 5 in the next couple weeks, I probably COULD finish them before the season now that I see at least book 4 is shorter than 3. How long is ADWD?
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3:40p, 1/16/13
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That's quite the assumption you're making about my schedule. Sorry, they're not.


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BillOnCapitolHill
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6:05p, 1/16/13
Its very difficult to have threads for all levels of fan.

TV Only! Thread
TV S1 Only! Thread
TV/Book as far as GOTS Only! Thread
TV/Book as far as ACOK Only! Thread
TV/Book as far as ASOS Only! Thread
TV/Book as far as AFFC Only! Thread

etc..
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Elliot P. Campbell
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7:10p, 1/16/13
Yeah I guess I wasn't too clear at the beginning of the thread...I'll edit the op later

It's evolved already into an all-books spiller thread. Sorry
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BenFiasco14
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7:11p, 1/16/13
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Also, while I may not be able to read book 4 and 5 in the next couple weeks, I probably COULD finish them before the season now that I see at least book 4 is shorter than 3. How long is ADWD?


Not counting the appendix it is 1117 pages, paperback
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tremble
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9:50p, 1/16/13
ADWD is long but it doesn't drag like AFFC did for me the first time around.

That said when I read them in quick succession prior to Season 1 of GOT I found it a much better read.
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aggie93
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10:07p, 1/16/13
The other option is to go to westeros.org. They have threads for every level of reader. Very hard to keep it to "levels" of spoiler though because someone always isn't paying attention and spoils.

I would also recommend getting through the last 2 books before going to any "spoiler" thread though, it's going to be less frustrating.
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aggie93
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8:05a, 1/17/13
The other thing to keep in mind is AFFC is a lot slower than ASOS which is by far the most action packed book. Lots of important stuff that comes to fruition later but it can be a bit laborous, esp after ASOS. ADWD is better, I would say it is comparable to ACOK.
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Inspector Spacetime
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12:37p, 1/17/13
Thanks y'all. I'll get back here once I'm done with the next two
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1:03p, 1/17/13
I thoroughly enjoy westeros.org forums. There are some interesting discussions to be had there, but sometimes it can be more painful to read than the TexAgs football board in the offseason.

I strongly suggest downloading the Westeros iPad app: http://www.westerosmap.com/. I am super geeky about maps, so this is awesome to have as a reading companion. There are add-ons for the eastern half of the world (Essos, Slaver's Bay, Asshai, Utheros), POV characters, major city close-up maps and family sigils. So far I have only purchased the city maps and the Essos expansion. Well worth it!
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5:20p, 1/17/13
the westeros forums are ok, but their database (I believe they call it the citadel) is incredible. I always end up referencing it to find prophecies and the like when I argue about what's going to happen with my friends that have read the books.
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BillOnCapitolHill
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8:52p, 1/17/13
This is my go-to

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/
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10:41a, 1/18/13
Haven't read the whole thread yet, but IMO the biggest challenge for HBO will be to have the viewers wait for a whole year, after the red wedding, and the "death" of Arya. I was able to continue reading through Book 3, and so the Red Wedding wasn't as bad for me (Plus Mommy Stark was really annoying me in the chapters leading up to the Red Wedding).

The 1 year break might drive a lot of viewers away
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1:29p, 1/18/13
The bigger problem is them running out of books before running out of viewers
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