Yes, would be nice if Texas did this. You just see stories about "high numbers of Hospitalization", without context.Coates said:amercer said:
Hospital numbers don't look good. Hopefully it's milder patients being admitted and then getting released sooner
If its anything like New York almost half (43%) are in WITH Covid, not because of it, they just put out the breakdown yesterday. Would be nice if all the states did the same.New York has its first official breakdown of what share of people are hospitalized for COVID vs. how many are hospitalized with incidental COVID. In NYC it's 49% for COVID, everyone else just happened to test positive. pic.twitter.com/fNUmMK2DM9
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Interesting it took this long to start to admit there is a difference between hospitalizations with and from covid. Better late than never I suppose.
I posted on the dfw board a reporters interview with a Dallas doctor, the doctor said
"We are certainly seeing increasing numbers of children being admitted to the hospital with covid, not because of covid, that's for sure'.
"We are certainly seeing increasing numbers of children being admitted to the hospital with covid, not because of covid, that's for sure'.
Death numbers don't lie. If those stay low. Then Covid has been defanged.
amercer said:
Death numbers don't lie. If those stay low. Then Covid has been defanged.
I don’t understand why this isn’t being reported more widely. pic.twitter.com/20CyHwWkFR
— Helen Miles (@HappyFamilyDoc) January 8, 2022
I surmise there's a simple reason why that headline keeps getting floated and not really gaining any traction, to paraphrase the much-abused line: how many of those are admitted due to Covid or incidentally found to be Covid+?
Spread of omicron within hospitals is reportedly much higher than previous peaks. Could partly explain the above chart.
Unless there's a corresponding increase in negative health outcomes then the trend is kinda meaningless and frankly is exactly what you would expect to see as a reflection of the overall population trends.
Spread of omicron within hospitals is reportedly much higher than previous peaks. Could partly explain the above chart.
Unless there's a corresponding increase in negative health outcomes then the trend is kinda meaningless and frankly is exactly what you would expect to see as a reflection of the overall population trends.
Good point
Yes, this is likely BS….
Boston spike looks like it's hit it's peak.
It's amazing how this spike dwarfed all previous spikes.
Boston wastewater thru 1/6 (🧵)
— Joseph Allen (@j_g_allen) January 8, 2022
-the "hint" from 1/3 that it was turning is no longer a hint
-levels hit their peak (right on cue based on SA data)
-expecting to see a steep drop rather than Dec-Feb plateau like last winter pic.twitter.com/VgcKtDd162
It's amazing how this spike dwarfed all previous spikes.
GAC06 said:
Interesting it took this long to start to admit there is a difference between hospitalizations with and from covid. Better late than never I suppose.
It wasn't spreading to the same degree it is now in hospitals. The staff at hosptials are catching Omicron much more readily than they ever caught COVID in previous waves. But the key is that oxygen use, hospital intensity, and deaths have become dislocated from the base "covid hosptialization" numbers on this wave in particular. It's something we've seen around the world. Therefore what is happening is different than prior waves. It's not evidence that you were right all along - it's evidence that society is in a better place from a community immunity standpoint to handle an endimic COVID than we were pre-vaccine. It's more or less what I've argued would happened since November at the start of this variant and it's why Omicron is the most important step to normalizing our future with this hopefully increasingly mild disease.
Covid has always been a mild disease for the vast majority who get it. It was always absurd to include people "with" covid in hospital numbers. That has nothing to do with the current variant. We still see daily fear porn including by public health officials about "with" covid hospitalizations, so not everyone has gotten the memo that omicron means we should use accurate metrics.
Yes- but to deny the initial carnage in italy or the Northeast as mild is a stretch.
I didn't deny that there was carnage among the very old. The overall survival rate is over 99% and for healthy people under 60 it's like 99.9. The initial overreactions were somewhat understandable. Bad data and intentionally misleading information isn't acceptable in year three. In the context of this discussion, covid is and always has been a mild illness for the vast majority of the population.
Agree- but at the time what did you expect.
I'm not talking about early 2020. I'm talking about hospitalizations counted as with or because of covid in the present day and for a long long time since we should have known better.
Wow, that's truly remarkable. Omicron's spread is amazing.
has omicron crowded out the common cold?
wife and both kids ended up with the common cold last week when in fact we thought it was covid. so not yet.
I wonder if people get disappointed when they find out they just have a cold instead of Covid?Cyp0111 said:
wife and both kids ended up with the common cold last week when in fact we thought it was covid. so not yet.
JP_Losman said:
has omicron crowded out the common cold?
I mean it's entirely possible a lot lf common colds happen the way Omicron did... Just not tracked to this extent. Some evidence that Omicron is most closely linked to the original strain from Wuhan, but maybe was spreading and mutating in Mice prior to jumping back to humans. Maybe that's what is happening with common cold viruses before they jump back to humans and then spread rapidly around the world. But we likely have strong T-Cell immunity to whatever those viruses are and we will to COVID going forward
What happens when one of the best vaccinated (90% total population) countries in the world gets Omicron?
— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) January 10, 2022
🇵🇹 pic.twitter.com/GzI8jgfO7J
Perhaps displaying that graph against a barely vaccinated population for comparison would be more informative.
JP_Losman said:
Perhaps displaying that graph against a barely vaccinated population for comparison would be more informative.
Pretty much spiking everywhere, look to Africa, extremely low vax rate and cases are going up. Deaths are very low though and have been throughout the pandemic. Younger and thinner population.
Crazy steep spike with a crazy steep decline as predicted.
Boston wastewater thru 1/10 (🧵)
— Joseph Allen (@j_g_allen) January 11, 2022
-that peak and steep drop I wrote about 3 days ago? it's happening as expected, and right on schedule
-great news; hopeful this brings relief to Boston area healthcare system and healthcare workers
-now a familiar pattern w/ Omicron pic.twitter.com/Qrkxbd4Bf7
JP_Losman said:
Perhaps displaying that graph against a barely vaccinated population for comparison would be more informative.
As I have been posting, why Omicron is more ominous in the US than other countries because we have much fewer people vaccinated, and vaccinated with boosters@TheEconomist https://t.co/zCR2vXTRu3 https://t.co/IgzYwCym3p pic.twitter.com/sWjttB3mjk
— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) January 11, 2022
UK also has higher cases per million thus presumably more immunity. 217k vs 191k
Are there any published Texas-based wastewater databases similar to the Boston data you posted?
Seems like wastewater COVID prevalence data should be extremely hard to manipulate. The number is what it is. It changes over time. It cannot be broken down into various groups and analyzed socially or ethnically or by age group or by vax status, etc.
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Seems like wastewater COVID prevalence data should be extremely hard to manipulate. The number is what it is. It changes over time. It cannot be broken down into various groups and analyzed socially or ethnically or by age group or by vax status, etc.
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Also it accounts for testing bias. We are past the peak but plan to up testing by 10 fold which will make the downside look slower than it is.
Great point… I like the noise reduction in the wastewater database!
I just have seen this type of data cited so rarely that it makes me wonder how publicly available data like this might be for areas closer to home than Boston.
I just have seen this type of data cited so rarely that it makes me wonder how publicly available data like this might be for areas closer to home than Boston.
This should be a bunch more
https://ucmerced.maps.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/c778145ea5bb4daeb58d31afee389082
https://ucmerced.maps.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/c778145ea5bb4daeb58d31afee389082
Thank you! I think.. I need to do some learning in order to be able to navigate this data and learn anything. The Houston data seemed to be updated weekly (through 1/3/2022), but the TAMU data only had a 9/2020 article and no updates(as far as i could see). I will try to see if i can find any useful data from this, or just wait for your next synopsis...
The 1st day drop in US hospitalizations, including weekends and holidays, in 1 month. Hopefully, it's a good omenhttps://t.co/xStmHRzwg2 ( less by >2300) pic.twitter.com/2WfBfLtatm
— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) January 17, 2022
Comparison with its prior Alpha and Delta waves for outcomes@OurWorldInData https://t.co/W4uB9npjUw by @redouad pic.twitter.com/D3kefX0SdN
— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) January 16, 2022
The mass confusion surrounding boosters and this big, long miss led a substantial proportion of Americans unnecessarily vulnerable to Delta, and now to Omicronhttps://t.co/1X7qisBZJP (written before Omicron reported) pic.twitter.com/jBf3Icw4EZ
— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) January 16, 2022
Booster is even more effective against omicron
New on mRNA vaccine T cell response
— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) January 16, 2022
The booster (3rd) shot markedly improves the IFN ->T cell response to Omicronhttps://t.co/vFEC2Wfw8E
"These results provide further evidence that a three-dose vaccine regimen benefits the induction of optimal functional T cell immune memory" pic.twitter.com/J39d8UfM4B
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