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I suspect the success of the vaccination campaign in regards to reducing deaths is dependent on the uptake of various age groups. Vaccinating 80% of students doesn't buy the same as 80% of people 65+.


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

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Early on this virus told us exactly how to combat it. And we largely ignored it.

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0.0 change in Texas is not increasing.

Just go get your damn shot.

Fitch said:

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Just go get your damn shot.

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coolerguy12 said:

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Fitch said:

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Just go get your damn shot.

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I understand a lot of things about not liking the way government has handled Covid, a lot of things. But I do not understand those who refuse to get a vaccine. The fastest way to put all of this behind us is to get the vaccine.

Aston94 said:

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coolerguy12 said:

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Fitch said:

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Just go get your damn shot.

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No

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I understand a lot of things about not liking the way government has handled Covid, a lot of things. But I do not understand those who refuse to get a vaccine. The fastest way to put all of this behind us is to get the vaccine.

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The fastest way to put this all behind us is to realize that you don't need the government to tell you when you can carry on with your life. I'm sorry you feel that way...

And I don't give a rats ass if you understand people that don't want the vaccine... if you want it, get it.

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Aston94 said:

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coolerguy12 said:

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Fitch said:

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Just go get your damn shot.

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I understand a lot of things about not liking the way government has handled Covid, a lot of things. But I do not understand those who refuse to get a vaccine. The fastest way to put all of this behind us is to get the vaccine.

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The fastest way to put this all behind us is to realize that you don't need the government to tell you when you can carry on with your life. I'm sorry you feel that way...

And I don't give a rats ass if you understand people that don't want the vaccine... if you want it, get it.

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Many of us moved on as an individual months ago.

But this doesn't work for a society. Like it or not, many aren't moving on without it, and politicians aren't letting up either until numbers get lower. To truly get back to normal, you should be hoping and praying we get 60, or 70% or more vaccinated because this will directly coincide with numbers fizzling out. the 20-30% that really don't want it? Oh well. But the more the better. It's not hard to understand why

The politicians can do all that they want but they have been wrong about the majority of things associated with this pandemic. If you're waiting on their approval or for them to move on, that's your problem...

And what numbers are sufficient? You mention "when the numbers get lower" but fail to throw any specifics of what that number may be... why?

The high risk population is largely vaccinated, the majority of younger people have had it, and the remaining people that choose not to receive the vaccine will probably survive, while some may not.

Only the government can tell you when it's your turn to die or not.

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The politicians can do all that they want but they have been wrong about the majority of things associated with this pandemic. If you're waiting on their approval or for them to move on, that's your problem...

And what numbers are sufficient? You mention "when the numbers get lower" but fail to throw any specifics of what that number may be... why?

The high risk population is largely vaccinated, the majority of younger people have had it, and the remaining people that choose not to receive the vaccine will probably survive, while some may not.

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Again, as an individual, I don't care. Do what you want. I have been since April 2020 after determining my own relative risk/reward, other than wearing a mask when absolutely required. I wish more would get back to normal yesterday.

But we are talking as a society here. As in, when does my freaking employer drop his mask mandate, that is largely dictated by the City of Austin still "requiring" them, even if unenforceable? When do other states open up 100%? When do schools open up 100% AND take the masks off our children? I really don't know.

When you track daily deaths, and they still show 750-850 deaths a day, many of the country that are bad at risk assessment will still go along with it thinking, even after vaccination, death is right around the corner for them. Hopefully more and more of even the most hardcore lockdown/mask/fearful people just say f*** it as they are vaccinated, but for now, enough of the population is still listening/going along with it. Here in texas it's getting less and less, and other states who haven't lived as free as we are will likely take longer.

The number is determined by the population, more so than the politicians(but the politicians will abuse that population as long as they can, IMO), and their ability to better assess risk, particularly post vaccination. In terms of vaccinations, we are at 49% of adults. My guess is, when that number reaches about 60-70% of adults, you are going to see more and more of a laid back type of attitude, and get closer to normal. Some might still be apprehensive.

As for deaths? Again, I don't know how the public will react. As long as we are doing the daily death tracker, you are going to have some terrified. Maybe they'll get more active at 250 deaths a day? Maybe 500 or less? Maybe 100 or less. Idk.

Sorry but I'm done jumping through hoops to make the public "feel" safe. It's up to other people to do what they need to do to ensure the safety of themselves and their family.

What's next, I can't drive a truck because my neighbor doesn't feel safe driving a Prius on the road with a truck? I can't grill because my neighbor doesn't feel safe about the fire hazard? I can't own a gun because my neighbor doesn't feel safe living next to a gun toting hillbilly? It may sound extreme but 14 months ago it would have sounded crazy to say, "what's next, I can't go to the grocery store without putting a mask on" or "my kids can't go to school in person?"

And I'm sorry you have to wear a mask at work. But once again, it's not up to me to make your employer "feel" safe.

That's the issue. Leaders and "scientists" have screwed up the messaging and cried wolf for so long, some people have just chosen to ignore any advice they are given now. Can't really blame them actually. So they see "get vaccinated" as the next "wear a mask all the time". Not saying they are right. Just going to be hard to get everyone on the same page.

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Aston94 said:

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coolerguy12 said:

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Just go get your damn shot.

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I understand a lot of things about not liking the way government has handled Covid, a lot of things. But I do not understand those who refuse to get a vaccine. The fastest way to put all of this behind us is to get the vaccine.

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The fastest way to put this all behind us is to realize that you don't need the government to tell you when you can carry on with your life. I'm sorry you feel that way...

And I don't give a rats ass if you understand people that don't want the vaccine... if you want it, get it.

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If I chose to live in a cave for the rest of my life then your approach might have some validity. But unfortunately, I choose to own a business in the manufacturing sector, travel, go to meetings, etc. and the faster the virus is no longer with us the faster we get back to normalcy in business and in our personal interactions. Vaccine is the fastest way to make that possible. It really isn't a government thing for me, but some of you have elected to make it so.

I have already gotten it, and the fact you cannot communicate the why of why you don't want the vaccine is really all I need to know.

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Aston94 said:

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ttha_aggie_09 said:

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Aston94 said:

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coolerguy12 said:

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Fitch said:

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Just go get your damn shot.

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I understand a lot of things about not liking the way government has handled Covid, a lot of things. But I do not understand those who refuse to get a vaccine. The fastest way to put all of this behind us is to get the vaccine.

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The fastest way to put this all behind us is to realize that you don't need the government to tell you when you can carry on with your life. I'm sorry you feel that way...

And I don't give a rats ass if you understand people that don't want the vaccine... if you want it, get it.

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If I chose to live in a cave for the rest of my life then your approach might have some validity. But unfortunately, I choose to own a business in the manufacturing sector, travel, go to meetings, etc. and the faster the virus is no longer with us the faster we get back to normalcy in business and in our personal interactions. Vaccine is the fastest way to make that possible. It really isn't a government thing for me, but some of you have elected to make it so.

I have already gotten it, and the fact you cannot communicate the why of why you don't want the vaccine is really all I need to know.

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Because I already had Covid and don't need the vaccine... any other questions?

And I have been working and traveling and going to meetings throughout this ordeal as well, not living in a cave. I am wondering if you've been living in a cave based on your comment about how "we have elected to make this a government thing". Have you been paying attention to anything going lately? I can't even sit through a baseball game without some doctor telling everyone why the need a vaccine.

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Sure, just one question -- you do know that natural Covid immunity isn't as strong as the one generated by the vaccine?

erube said:

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Aston94 said:

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ttha_aggie_09 said:

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Aston94 said:

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coolerguy12 said:

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Fitch said:

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Just go get your damn shot.

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I understand a lot of things about not liking the way government has handled Covid, a lot of things. But I do not understand those who refuse to get a vaccine. The fastest way to put all of this behind us is to get the vaccine.

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The fastest way to put this all behind us is to realize that you don't need the government to tell you when you can carry on with your life. I'm sorry you feel that way...

And I don't give a rats ass if you understand people that don't want the vaccine... if you want it, get it.

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If I chose to live in a cave for the rest of my life then your approach might have some validity. But unfortunately, I choose to own a business in the manufacturing sector, travel, go to meetings, etc. and the faster the virus is no longer with us the faster we get back to normalcy in business and in our personal interactions. Vaccine is the fastest way to make that possible. It really isn't a government thing for me, but some of you have elected to make it so.

I have already gotten it, and the fact you cannot communicate the why of why you don't want the vaccine is really all I need to know.

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Because I already had Covid and don't need the vaccine... any other questions?

And I have been working and traveling and going to meetings throughout this ordeal as well, not living in a cave. I am wondering if you've been living in a cave based on your comment about how "we have elected to make this a government thing". Have you been paying attention to anything going lately? I can't even sit through a baseball game without some doctor telling everyone why the need a vaccine.

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Sure, just one question -- you do know that natural Covid immunity isn't as strong as the one generated by the vaccine?

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And you have incontrovertible proof of this where? You write that as though it is bible. There are a number of reputable medical outlets that believe natural immunity to covid will be lasting and durable.

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Sure, just one question -- you do know that natural Covid immunity isn't as strong as the one generated by the vaccine?

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Please provide a link for this statement

I would also like to see a single shred of evidence that suggests someone that had Covid with, VERY mild symptoms, has been reinfected AND has worse/severe symptoms and/or death. To my knowledge that doesn't exist and I think I'll let my own immune system fight it off again, chief.

One last thing, to stay on topic with of this thread - how many people have actually been reinfected with Covid? I haven't seen any compelling evidence that suggests people that were infected last year are being reinfected? Which combined with vaccinations, perfectly explains the reduction in number of cases, deaths and hospitalization rates.

As much as I've enjoyed the (logical) push back on the vax nazis, can we maybe just stick to the charts?