After doing some digging, I suspect they are yellow bellied racers
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Three hognoses, which is really freaking cool.
Butler's Garter snake found in western Michigan
Man, that is a hoss. Fat. Looking more like an eastern diamondback size.12f Mane said:
Not sure if I posted this yet, but here's a 63-inch diamondback rattlesnake I found on FM337 around Lost Maples. Looked like someone shot it and cut off the rattle and left it on the side of the road. Impressive snake, especially for that area of that hill country.
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Butler's Garter snake found in western Michigan
I'd call that one an eastern
Those are Eastern hognoses
Edit: ahh I see 12f beat me to it...
Edit: ahh I see 12f beat me to it...
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My mistake. I'll definitely defer to the experts on this one
Diamondback water snake? This guy was in the 18th fairway at wildcat golf club. Looks like he ate something recently
Rat snake and he definitely ate something... I'd guess squirrel?
Edit: actually likely she at that size
Edit: actually likely she at that size
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No pics but I just killed two copperheads on my front porch / lawn and one bit my damn dog. Dog is now at the emergency vet getting treated. Hate these *******s. I've now killed 4 in the just over two years we've lived in this house (NW Austin area) and seen another plus seen one coral (may have been red & black but sure looked like red & yellow).
Was talking to a neighbor who just had a dog get bit recently too and she mentioned that she'd heard copperheads have a tendency to travel in pairs. Any truth to that? If so, maybe I just sent a snake husband and wife to hell!
Was talking to a neighbor who just had a dog get bit recently too and she mentioned that she'd heard copperheads have a tendency to travel in pairs. Any truth to that? If so, maybe I just sent a snake husband and wife to hell!
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Rat snake and he definitely ate something... I'd guess squirrel?
Edit: actually likely she at that size
Would you mind walking us through the differences between a DBW and a rat snake using the picture provided?
There is no way I would have got rat snake, and now I'm all out of sorts.
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Also curious. I didn't necessarily think water snake because there aren't pronounced vertical lines on the jaw, but I wouldn't have guessed rat since the coloration is so light.
I am certainly not an expert, but what suggested rat snake to me was the "crinkle" of how it was holding its body, combined with the lack of distinct vertical lines on the mouth. I have missed rat snake on a few that had that lighter diamond shaped pattern before.
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DAMMIT. Just when you think you are getting really good, I was high fiving myself on yellow bellied racers and you rain on our parade. Sneks are as hard as calculus.12f Mane said:
Three hognoses, which is really freaking cool.
I take exception to her dietary choicesBadace52 said:
Rat snake and he definitely ate something... I'd guess squirrel?
Edit: actually likely she at that size
We are not bushy tailed rats, we have personality.
Well the main differences which are always there between DBWS and rat snakes are found on the head. Rat snakes have a gray or black head with a white chin and lips. Rat snakes eyes are located on the side of their head with more distance between the eyes. Rat snakes have solid black coloring or larger dark patches on the top which don't form diamonds. the lighter snakes sometimes have dark colored solid diamonds on the sides of their bodies but not diamonds formed by the dark patterning like DBWS:
DBWS have no white markings on the head at all and they are more yellowish around the lips. The eyes are also a good indicator. DBWS are highly aquatic, perhaps the most aquatic of all the water snakes in Texas and they have eyes higher up on their head than most other snakes which is most notable in the adults and makes them look kind of googly eyed in my opinion. The middle snake below is a juvenile and the eye differences are less pronounced. The pattern on DBWS has thinner dark bars that make diamonds on the top of the snake.:
DBWS have no white markings on the head at all and they are more yellowish around the lips. The eyes are also a good indicator. DBWS are highly aquatic, perhaps the most aquatic of all the water snakes in Texas and they have eyes higher up on their head than most other snakes which is most notable in the adults and makes them look kind of googly eyed in my opinion. The middle snake below is a juvenile and the eye differences are less pronounced. The pattern on DBWS has thinner dark bars that make diamonds on the top of the snake.:
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Legendary. As usual.
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Great stuff!
Another good thing to point out in the last 3 pictures is the head shape of pics 1 & 3. Both pictures show a v-shape head despite them being non-venomous DBWS. A lot of people try and determine if a snake is venomous, exclusively by the shape of the head. You can clearly tell why it is not that accurate.
Edit to add: intended for those following the thread and still learning
Another good thing to point out in the last 3 pictures is the head shape of pics 1 & 3. Both pictures show a v-shape head despite them being non-venomous DBWS. A lot of people try and determine if a snake is venomous, exclusively by the shape of the head. You can clearly tell why it is not that accurate.
Edit to add: intended for those following the thread and still learning
That was great, Ace! Thank you for taking the time to do that. The eyes really are a dead giveaway, and the coloring of the "chins" are also great indicators.
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Imagine being able to use that as some super power instead of just being able to impress a bunch of goofballs on the OB.
Definitely more of a party trick than a super power...
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That is the part that has tripped me up on a few photos posted here and elsewhere. I would look at that photo of the light colored rat in the OP and say that the markings on the back were roughly diamond shaped. Certainly not crisp clear diamonds like on a rattlesnake, but what could be called diamond shaped if you didn't look too close or zoom in on one set of spots.Badace52 said:
Rat snakes have solid black coloring or larger dark patches on the top which don't form diamonds.
The top blotches are usually more like irregular rectangles. The side blotches are frequently diamond shaped, but individual snakes are highly variable. That's why I recommend focusing on the head to distinguish between the two.
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Yeah, that was good info for sure. I have slowly learned to look for other cues instead of focusing on the back pattern.
I've been lurking on this thread for years. Our neighborhood found this little guy in a backyard but I really can't tell from the photo whether this is a water snake or cotton mouth. Body looks thick and the banding looks too similar to either for me to tell. It's not in a defensive posture . They said the belly was bright white.
Wasn't killed , chased away back to the bayou. Any takers ? I've successfully identified some harmless snakes in the past thanks to this thread but this one stumped me
Wasn't killed , chased away back to the bayou. Any takers ? I've successfully identified some harmless snakes in the past thanks to this thread but this one stumped me
Plain bellied water snake
For learning purposes what do you see that gives it away?
For me, the dark vertical lines along the jaw and the lack of the eye stripe/mascara.krosch11 said:
For learning purposes what do you see that gives it away?
Vertical lines on mouth, lack of "mascara" mark around eye. Generally leaner than a cottonmouth of that size would be, round pupils, longer tail.
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Thanks to all. I wasnt positive on the head just because its not the greatest photo, but glad to hear i was somewhat on the right track.
Thanks so much! Posts like that are why I love this thread.
Very interesting last 12 hours on this thread. Great post Badace. Didn't realize rat snakes had the vertical lines until your post. Question...is it safe assumption that if you see vertical lines you know it's non-venemous?
Do water snakes have to use a lot of force to press their heads down into that triangle shape?
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