*****Official Spurs 2015-2016 regular season thread*****

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True story
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Random hypothetical for an off day: ESPN Insider just posted SF rankings and put Leonard behind LeBron and Durant. LeBron is the the obvious #1, but I found myself disagreeing with the Durant ranking. Am I nuts? Would you all rather have Leonard or Durant?

My reasoning is that Durant's obviously a better scorer by a wide margin (That dude's a scoring machine), but I think Leonard is the better defender by an even wider margin. Basketball is played on both ends of the court, so give me the better two way player every time.

EDIT: I'm ignoring Durant's multiple foot surgeries. With those in the equation, I'd take Leonard by a landslide, as foot injuries are notoriously difficult to permanently shake.
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Durant is a consistent MVP candidate. He will get the nod because of that.
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As a Spurs fan I'd want Kawhi but the national scene will have Durant higher. He's got shoe deals and national appeal as well as great scoring ability. People love scoring so unless Kawhi starts scoring 35 regularly he'll be 3 got a while now.
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There is nothing wrong with being #3 behind those 2, I am just saying.
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Summer 2014 we had a "rank NBA small forwards" thread. The consensus was
Lebron
Durant

Paul George/Carmelo
Kawhi

One year and 7 games later, I'd guess consensus looks more like:
Lebron
Durant
Kawhi
Carmelo
George (needs to be re-evaluated post injury)



Personally, I've got Kawhi in second now. His defense is otherwordly and his offense is very good. He has convincingly outplayed Durant and Carmelo head to head, physically dominating each of them on both ends of the court. Lots of basketball to be played, but if he keeps playing the way he's playing he deserves to be in the discussion for MVP.
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ESPN tonight. Finally another game I can watch.
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ESPN tonight. Finally another game I can watch.
Thanks for the reminder. Same!
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Great (and long) article on Aldridge's free agency:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/five-days-in-july--inside-the-free-agent-courtship-of-lamarcus-aldridge-225556837.html

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Spurs general manager R.C. Buford met LaMarcus Aldridge, Wasserman Media's Arn Tellem and George David in the lobby of the Beverly Wilshire Hotel on Wednesday morning and walked them upstairs to a suite. By design, they weren't bringing him into a cold, sterile conference room. Popovich, Buford and Kawhi Leonard sat on one couch; Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Patty Mills across the way. Popovich wore a T-shirt and jeans. Some of the players wore sweat suits.
There were no corporate Chips or Chets, no marketing gurus, no one spitting out platitudes on synergies. No one stole glances to iPhones, checked emails and texts. All eyes were on Aldridge. These were the Spurs, and, Gregg Popovich told him, these are the people who'll dictate your happiness and fulfillment every day. The Spurs surrounded LaMarcus Aldridge and it felt like a family conversation in the living room.

Popovich did not speak of the five NBA championships, the six trips to the NBA Finals. Never once. They didn't play the part of Pat Riley with LeBron James and drop championship rings on the table; in fact, they never acknowledged winning titles. The Spurs never assured him that together they would win championships, only that he'd enjoy the pursuit, the experience.
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Thanks for the reminder too!
Was planning on going to bed at a Decent time but not anymore!
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Anyone know who the pbp guy is tonight? Mike Tirico usually is #2 after Breen but I'm kind hoping its Kevin Calabro tonight.
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Derp post
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Shades of Ice with the finger roll from Verde.
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Doug Collins
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GR33N with the 5 point play
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Pleased with the defense for the most part
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This Ginobili guy is pretty good.
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This Ginobili guy is pretty good.


He's shedding hair to conserve energy. Bald spot doing well to start the year.
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That Diaw to TheMarcus alley oops.
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KawhLA
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Solid win tonight.
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This Ginobili guy is pretty good.


He's shedding hair to conserve energy. Bald spot doing well to start the year.
Me too!
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If we get this kind of PG play all year, we'll be just fine. Mills and Parker both playing solid defense on the perimeter. Parker was fighting through screens better than he has in years, and Mills quick feet were incredible against Lillard. Offensively, they both did exactly what they needed to do: Parker working off screens to hit a few layups and floaters going toward the basket to punish the defense for staying with Aldridge/Duncan, and Mills knocking down some pullups and threes to provide space for the second unit.

In general the offense looked pretty ugly for stretches. Spacing issues and movement off the ball was not as crisp as it usually is. Unsurprising given that they are still shifting from a perimeter oriented game to more of a front court game, and in any case they still managed to score pretty efficiently because there are simply too many options for almost any defense to counter.

Defensively, rotations were a bit slow against drives, but we were trying a different defensive scheme for the first time this season (hard show and occasionally trapping off picks) so there was bound to be a learning curve. Portland hit a lot of contested fadeaways to stay in it.

Second unit rebounding is the main problem right now. The Diaw/West/Butler frontcourt gets abused on the boards. Manu helps some, but he tends to commit fouls going for contested rebounds. I'd like to see them settle into a rotation where at least one of Duncan and Aldridge are always on the court, and at the very least they need to keep Kawhi in if Diaw/West are the bigs. Kawhi provides a fair amount of help because he's big and strong and quick enough to establish position and get to rebounds.
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Doesn't mean THAT much this early in the season, but Spurs don't play a team with a winning record for the next 8. Could be a nice stretch to jump on an early division gap
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Had to go to sleep before the end. Glad to wake up to a W.
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I'm pretty much out of any west coast games this year but it's always nice to check the score in the morning for a win.
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Spurs currently rank #3 in Total Defense (Efficiency) and #6 in Offense. No surprise to anyone who has watched the first eight games of the season that the defense is ahead of the offense but the offense is coming.

We've played a lot of road games as well so looking forward to a nice home stand where we typically click a lot better offensively.
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Latest Manu article:

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We're trying to be the best team we can be with Aldrige
Manu Ginobili - http://canchallena.lanacion.com.ar/1...e-con-aldridge

I think in general we've had a good start to the season. I do get the feeling we could've won one of the games we lost (Oklahoma City & Washington), because we lost them due to a couple of mistakes that shouldn't have happened, but oh well. But in general, those were competitive games and not impossible to lose, it's not those kind of games that you end up thinking back that you lost because you sleepwalked through them. In general we're doing good, we have a good record (5-2) and about or gameplay we know we had up and downs. At times we're playing well, but at times we're just not as good. We're very streaky right now, but that's relatively normal. We have to adjust things due to the arrival of LaMarcus (Aldrige), but not only because we added him to our team, and because he has to learn the system, but also because he alters the balance we had before. So we have to make him play, make him feel part of the action, and make sure he's comfortable. And at the same time everyone else has to give up a little. All that takes some time. Same happens with David West, when he comes in with the second unit. Let me repeat it's just a matter of everyone finding their place. The upside is enormous and considering that we're 5-2 with a lot of those games on the road, makes us optimists. Of course there's a lot of work still to be done.

That has to do with the fact that everyone knew the team wouldn't transform to being Aldrige-dependent. He had to adapt to us and logically, us to him. Now he's trying to find out when to give that extra pass we use a lot, when to attack the basket more... he's studying the options. LaMarcus is the destination of a lot of possessions, something we didn't do with Tiago [Splitter]. So, all those plays used to be for Tim. Now they're not all for Tim, and he has to share with LaMarcus. And everything changes, because now there's a player who's an offensive force and creates for others, whereas with Tiago we had a player that rolled well and played with spaces. The team's equilibrium changed a bit. And we're all trying to accommodate ourselves.

Even for Tony [Parker] things change, because he now has another player to feed the ball, because Tiago perhaps didn't ask the ball too much. But it has little to do with LaMarcus asking for the ball, but his sole presence means that the ball has to go through him. That's why, we're tying to see how we can be the best team we can be with Aldrige. He's so good and capable, you want to maximize the way you use him.

Personally, I feel much better than I thought I would feel for a start of the season. I'm playing the minutes I thought I would play, I feel good, healthy, shooting well, helping the team extend leads with that second unit and moving the ball well. I'm happy, I know it's early because it's just seven games, you have to be cautious, but that doesn't mean that I can't be happy with the team's present and also with my own performance so far.

I know Pop said I was managing the program, but that's because he exaggerates and was obviously kidding. What happened is that Pop thought we had agreed not to play back to back games. He proposed that, but I don't think I ever accepted. I understood his point of view and I thought it was logical, but there's moments where you can evaluate how you feel and I was coming off a game at 3PM the day before (against Boston Celtics), we arrived early to New York, I rested well, and that's why I thought there was no reason not to rest. Plus, this is a time where the team needs to get to know eachother, play a lot, coordinate rotations. That's why I thought it was important to play. Even if they were reduced minutes.

Pop tried to convince me not to play, but I told him no, and that's why he sent me to talk to the assistant coaches. Looks like I convinced them, that's why Pop laughed and said his assistants were cowards because they didn't tell me not to play... But the honest truth is that we talked at length, we debated, and I ended up playing. Pop was just feeling like making a few jokes.

To be clear, I want to play because I feel well and because of this adaptation process we're all undergoing together. For example, I'm also taking on different responsibilities, some of which I had previously, but now are more defined. Even if I understand that my role now is closer to that of a Point Guard, which I do when we walk in with the second unit, I can say my function is even realtive in that case. Because we enter to run and move the ball, where everybody touches it, and even at time Boris [Diaw] looks like the PG. We share the ball a lot, nobody has it for long, except the last possesion of quarters where we want to control the ball a bit more. But in reality we're all in the same situation where we don't want the ball to stick. And in my case, it helps I'm playing with Patty [Mills] who is a great shooter, so that helps me focus more on creation. He knows I'll be looking for him and I'm going to create for him. We have a good chemistry and it works well together. It's true I'm not playing strictly as a PG, but my role is much more of a creator than a finisher.

We heard from before the season started about candidates and all that, and the reality is that we're not thinking much about that. We're more focused in finding our roles in this new team. That the new guys are happy and that they can be the best version of themselves. Last season there was none of this, we just had to beat the mental challenge of being hungry again after 82 games and reach the Finals again. I think it was a different mental challenge. This time around the challenge is more technical-tactical, having to make a team out of this collection of players and feel comfortable in the process. Sometimes change is good, shake the team up a bit to rebuild some stuff. It helps, but I insist it will take an adaptation period and we're hoping it will be short.

And everybody has high expectations, we know our fans too. Even if we only played two games at home, we notice everything that's going on with the team, the people of San Antonio are expectant. You can tell they're excited, they know Aldrige is an All Star, he's an incredible player, and we have a very high ceiling. The people of San Antonio is very special, very positive. It's 15 years of a lot of success, very good teams, and that's why fans are motivated. But for the first time add a Free Agent of such caliber, it multiplies that excitement. That's why we're all very hopeful with what could happen this season.
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I thought Doug Collins had some good observations last night about the difference in style between the Spurs' first and second unit, and about how Green's game has been impacted by Aldridge when they're on the floor together.
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I thought Doug Collins had some good observations last night about the difference in style between the Spurs' first and second unit, and about how Green's game has been impacted by Aldridge when they're on the floor together.


And they were?
DTP02
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More iso with the first unit and more beautiful game with the second. Danny's game is hurt more than anyone's with Aldridge in because he's not getting the same looks from the same spots he used to. Not as much drive and kick to the corners, transition or ball movement, and it hurts Danny's attempts and quality looks.

It's all a growth process and they aren't close to arriving at their happy medium yet.
Sher Thing
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Spot on about Danny. Pop ran him with the second unit a little longer yesterday as well which allowed him to get some open looks. The first team offense is always going to be a little bit more grind it out compared to the second unit but defensively that first unit will be very good.

Pop has his hands full regarding rotations though that's for sure. It will be a season long process.
 
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