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In reply to nai06 • 9:59p, 4/16/20
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Masks required. Wearing one is a good idea, but how is that remotely enforceable, much less constitutional?

And honestly, to have a public health impact, should have been done 2 weeks ago.
It's not constitutional, but neither is fining people for getting within 6 feet of each other. Grocery stores, etc can enforce it pretty easily, no entrance unless you're wearing a mask.


You could walk right by them. What are they going to do grab you?
If they want to, yes. Although I suspect they will just call the police. If a store says you have to wear a mask to enter and shop and you refuse and walk past them you are going to get hit with a criminal trespass.


According to lord Clay there is no government enforcement of this.
I'm talking about if a store makes it their policy to shop with a mask. You can't refuse and just walk in the store and shop.


I'm not sure that's correct...

Even a store 'policy' won't make it criminally enforceable
Are you sure? I think a business owner can kick anyone they please out of their store, as long as it's not due to them being part of a protected class.


Sure, they can kick whoever they want out, but the police won't and can't do anything. If a store said you have to wear a purple shirt to shop and they would call the cops on anyone not wearing a purple shirt nothing would happen, same scenario.

I assume most stores will have someone at the door 'making sure' you're wearing a mask, but they won't do anything if you aren't.
Uhh I'm not a lawyer but I'm pretty sure if a privately owned business asks you to leave for any reason (other than the protected class exception) and you don't, that's grounds for the police to take action.


I'm no lawyer either, but that's not correct. The business, or anyone for that matter, can call the cops but they won't do anything unless you have done something illegal.


Not leaving when a business owner asks you to leave is something illegal. Its criminal trespassing.
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And to come down right in the middle, it's illegal but the police aren't going to waste their time on arresting someone for not wearing a mask, they're just going to tell that person to leave.
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12:01p, 4/17/20
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https://www.dallasnews.com/news/public-health/2020/04/17/dallas-county-commissioners-vote-to-scale-back-county-wide-mask-order-reopen-crafts-stores/

The aspiring tyrannical dictator is at least being reigned in somewhat

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12:08p, 4/17/20
given where our numbers are, this being established as a requirement should have come hand-in-hand with reopening non-essential business. this is complete overreach otherwise. I also think it may hurt us when things do reopen because it is going to slow us to a crawl in getting to the other side of the curve
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12:34p, 4/17/20
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Abbott released the state's plan. It's out of Jenkin's hands now.
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In reply to Comeby! • 1:07p, 4/17/20
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Won't counties have some autonomy to decide what is best for their constituents? Counties decided when to close things down, so shouldn't they also decide when to open up?

Forgive me if Governor Abbott discussed this, I haven't read his announcement.
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1:08p, 4/17/20
His order may very well just be guidelines, just like the White House is?
"Fort Worth where the West begins...and Dallas is where the East peters out!"
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1:16p, 4/17/20
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Schools CLOSED the rest of the academic year (no surprise), retail allowed to operate pick-up/curbside operations starting in a week, including reopening state parks and allowing non-emergency medical procedures.
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In reply to Ag CPA • 1:34p, 4/17/20
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Closed as in dismissed, or still teleteaching?
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In reply to Robert C. Christian • 1:38p, 4/17/20
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I would interpret it as teleteaching still on.
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1:44p, 4/17/20
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Summary of Abbott's order as I understand it:
  • Beginning April 24, allow "retail-to-go". Stores will be allowed to bring orders straight to cars like some restaurants are currently doing.
  • Some nonessential surgeries will be allowed as long as they do not deplete hospital supplies of PPE and do not interfere with hospital capacity that is being reserved for COVID-19 patients.
  • State Parks open Monday. No groups larger than 5, safe distance from others not in their group, and wearing masks in required.
  • Public schools, private schools, and universities will remain closed through the school year.

Additional openings and such may be announced on April 27th based on further input from medical staff.

Correct me if I got anything wrong there.
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In reply to Comeby! • 1:54p, 4/17/20
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That is how I read it but "closed" just seems like the wrong word.
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In reply to Robert C. Christian • 1:57p, 4/17/20
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Well the schools are currently closed.
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In reply to Robert C. Christian • 2:02p, 4/17/20
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Robert C. Christian said:
That is how I read it but "closed" just seems like the wrong word.
Probably should have thrown the word 'campuses' in there somewhere...
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In reply to Comeby! • 2:03p, 4/17/20
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Yea the verbiage they used is that schools will "remain closed" which suggests to me "proceed as you have been"
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In reply to Hood • 2:04p, 4/17/20
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Hood said:
Robert C. Christian said:
That is how I read it but "closed" just seems like the wrong word.
Probably should have thrown the word 'campuses' in there somewhere...

Ok, that would make it clear. I'm just dense.
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In reply to Bones08 • 2:09p, 4/17/20
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Bones08 said:
Yea the verbiage they used is that schools will "remain closed" which suggests to me "proceed as you have been"
Including the non-education facilities including playgrounds, tracks, courts, fields etc? They are currently off limits. (The closure of school tracks, courts etc is one reason why the parks and WRL are so packed.)
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In reply to tysker • 2:19p, 4/17/20
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tysker said:
Bones08 said:
Yea the verbiage they used is that schools will "remain closed" which suggests to me "proceed as you have been"
Including the non-education facilities including playgrounds, tracks, courts, fields etc? They are currently off limits. (The closure of school tracks, courts etc is one reason why the parks and WRL are so packed.)
Is that a state or county mandate (I don't know).
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In reply to tysker • 2:22p, 4/17/20
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You've reached the end of my knowledge on this. Searched around a bit and couldn't find answers. Sorry.
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2:26p, 4/17/20
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WRL and Bachman are about the only parks that are packed.
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2:27p, 4/17/20
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Campus closures came down from the ISDs.
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In reply to Ag CPA • 2:30p, 4/17/20
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Ag CPA said:
tysker said:
Bones08 said:
Yea the verbiage they used is that schools will "remain closed" which suggests to me "proceed as you have been"
Including the non-education facilities including playgrounds, tracks, courts, fields etc? They are currently off limits. (The closure of school tracks, courts etc is one reason why the parks and WRL are so packed.)
Is that a state or county mandate (I don't know).
I think the closures of ISD facilities was a request from Dallas plus the Parks Dept plus the PD. People were just using the school playgrounds when parks were closed and then then the JH and HS tracks,/courts become busy with exercisers/players and police kept getting calls about so much non-social distancing. So instead they just asked the ISDs to shut it all down. Made it easier for everyone.
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4:02p, 4/17/20
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Somehow my company is going to be supplying facemasks to every person every day in order to comply with the Dallas County ordinance.

I thought face masks of any kind were hard to get...not sure how they are pulling this one off.

We are still working home through May 1 (as allowable) so I am guessing that will not be extended any further and we will likely all be back at work on May 4th....
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4:23p, 4/17/20
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The IHME model that predicted widespread catastrophe (accounting for social distancing) is, yet again, being revised downward. Here's Texas:

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4:49p, 4/17/20
Shut the whole state down for 957
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In reply to Trucker 96 • 5:12p, 4/17/20
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Bingo Bango Bongo said:
Shut the whole state down for 957

Or only 957 because we shut down the whole state. Will take a while to figure out which is correct. Truth, as always, is probably in the middle.
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5:19p, 4/17/20
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If we did it right, we'd be beaching about how we overreacted. As someone who knows multiple folks dealing with death over this, I see it both ways. Your latte will have to wait.
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6:04p, 4/17/20
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Well, does everyone remember the ridiculous 480,000 number the IHME started out with for Texas?

The "scare the ever-loving **** out the populous, then revise your estimate downward to 1,000" is a absurdly costly way to do things.

IMHO, the models are garbage AND we've done a lot as a county/state/nation to suppress the spread. But un-employing 22 million-and-counting Americans is a tragedy that will likely eclipse the COVID fear pretty soon.

Have a good weekend, folks.
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In reply to Comeby! • 6:41p, 4/17/20
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Very sorry for your related loss, but instead of latte I think you mean their small business that is now bankrupt.
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In reply to Hood • 6:42p, 4/17/20
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We were laughing at that model when it came out. What a ****ing joke.

I hope this gets people to actually vote in local elections.
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7:07p, 4/17/20
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I'm not going to claim to be an IHME P1, but we've been watching it a while. I don't know where Jenkins got that 500k number. Theirs was way lower the day of that press conference.
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In reply to Phat32 • 7:17p, 4/17/20
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I run 3 small businesses. If you're doing it right you'll be ok.
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In reply to Comeby! • 8:03p, 4/17/20
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I run 3 small businesses. If you're doing it right you'll be ok.

A bit preachy to state that every single person that losses their job and every single business that goes under is doing it wrong, don't you think? I'm glad you are so happy about financial hardships for others.
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8:47p, 4/17/20
The life stage of the business + the type of business + where it is located are obviously key. But it's a lot easier to be a snarky ****nut
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In reply to Ol Jock 99 • 8:49p, 4/17/20
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Bingo Bango Bongo said:
Shut the whole state down for 957

Or only 957 because we shut down the whole state. Will take a while to figure out which is correct. Truth, as always, is probably in the middle.


I think we'll find it's in the middle like #10 is somewhere in the middle of 1 and 1000. This thing is still going to make its way through the population. Preventing a hospital overrun is/was really the main need. We could have done that with a much more strategic approach
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10:26p, 4/17/20
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IHME Data:




I don't know. The to-date data looks pretty close. Magnitude of the peaks has swung a lot, but models are only as good as their assumptions, right? Would rather be lucky than good in this case.
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