I agree the sack of Yunkai was poorly done, however you weren't wrong about seeing sadness is Jorah's eyes, you are just misinterpreting it's meaning.
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When Dany asked where he was, the look on Jorah's face clearly showed sadness, as if to communicate the guy didn't survive. But he didn't die, and they won and took control of the army and city. Seemed like a cheap trick to misdirect the audience, which seems beneath GoT. Or maybe I just read too much into it.
I took it as Jorah was sad that she seemed more interested in Daario than in Jorah (Jorah is in love....but she's leaning towards and making eyes at Fabio now as opposed to her old loyal guard and protector). She wasn't overtly excited about the other two returning....but almost a bit giddy at Daario rounding the corner. She likes her men with long hair.....Jorah doesn't have a shot
I didn't think about that angle, Chemist. I guess it could just be a jealousy thing. That would make sense.
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When Dany asked where he was, the look on Jorah's face clearly showed sadness
It was at that moment, that Jorah realized how far deep into the FRIENDZONE he was.
It's also the exact moment you see his heart break.
IMO Darrio would be down with a 3-way of the bad kind.
Thank you Sterling Mallory Archer. I saw it this morning, but couldn't find again.
How badass was Greyworm with that spear? Like.A.Boss.
How badass was Greyworm with that spear? Like.A.Boss.
This is all Non Spoiler but book stuff in response to the "message to the readers" question. In the books Robb's wife is different and she stays at Riverrun because it would have been seen as an insult to the Frey's to have her at the wedding. She comes from a family that was a minor House under the Lannisters that pledges loyalty to the Starks after being captured and Robb marries their daughter, her name is Jeyne Westerling.
She is also never pregnant in the books and her mother we find out was giving her "moon tea" to prevent a pregnancy, though the girl is seen to have really loved Robb and wanted to have his child. She then exits the story and there is a group of readers that question if she was actually pregnant after all with Robb's heir. Since the show creators know the end of the story, having Talisa at the wedding and killed by being stabbed in the belly is a harsh way of telling readers, "no, she really isn't secretly pregnant".
She is also never pregnant in the books and her mother we find out was giving her "moon tea" to prevent a pregnancy, though the girl is seen to have really loved Robb and wanted to have his child. She then exits the story and there is a group of readers that question if she was actually pregnant after all with Robb's heir. Since the show creators know the end of the story, having Talisa at the wedding and killed by being stabbed in the belly is a harsh way of telling readers, "no, she really isn't secretly pregnant".
Arya talking down to Hound about fire and his deformity: wow. If you recall arya learned about the scars in S1 at the tourney from Littlefinger, he told the girls if you ever mention it to him, there aren't enough knights in kings landing to protect her.
Yet the Hound just sat there taking ridicule from a child, alone. His character is changing.
Yet the Hound just sat there taking ridicule from a child, alone. His character is changing.
Wrong thread.
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Since the show creators know the end of the story, having Talisa at the wedding and killed by being stabbed in the belly is a harsh way of telling readers, "no, she really isn't secretly pregnant".
Good point. I've watched S1 and am waiting to watch the others until I've finished reading the books (just started FFC yesterday - but I watched the RW on youtube just to see how they handled it. Was surprised to see Jeyne (or whoever she is in the series) there and pregnant. It did make it a little more difficult.
I loved Arya saying she knew a true killer and the Hound replies, “Is that him?” Referring to the guy he just knocked out. I was laughing my ass off. I also loved Frey’s nod to the Blackfish when his daughter turned out to be pretty. It was as if to say, “Well, one out of 20 isnt bad.”
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This is all Non Spoiler but book stuff in response to the "message to the readers" question. In the books Robb's wife is different and she stays at Riverrun because it would have been seen as an insult to the Frey's to have her at the wedding. She comes from a family that was a minor House under the Lannisters that pledges loyalty to the Starks after being captured and Robb marries their daughter, her name is Jeyne Westerling.
She is also never pregnant in the books and her mother we find out was giving her "moon tea" to prevent a pregnancy, though the girl is seen to have really loved Robb and wanted to have his child. She then exits the story and there is a group of readers that question if she was actually pregnant after all with Robb's heir. Since the show creators know the end of the story, having Talisa at the wedding and killed by being stabbed in the belly is a harsh way of telling readers, "no, she really isn't secretly pregnant".
Why would the TV show change all that in such a major fashion?
It never ceases to amaze me how Hollywood or TV will buy the rights to a popular work and then make all sorts of changes to it.
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Yet the Hound just sat there taking ridicule from a child, alone. His character is changing
I don't think his character is changing. Littlefinger was just wrong. He would have been correct to say "if you tell him I told you, there won't be enough knights to save me"
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Why would the TV show change all that in such a major fashion?
More characters to kill off
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TV and movie change books WAY more than that all the time. plus look at the reaction people are having to see a pregnant woman stabbed in the stomach repeatedly. and Robb crawling to his dead wife. emotion, that's why.
One simple reason - time. They've got enough meaningful storylines to chase; they don't need that one especially if it's never going anywhere substantive. I thought the tv version turned out much more poignant.
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This is all Non Spoiler but book stuff in response to the "message to the readers" question. In the books Robb's wife is different and she stays at Riverrun because it would have been seen as an insult to the Frey's to have her at the wedding. She comes from a family that was a minor House under the Lannisters that pledges loyalty to the Starks after being captured and Robb marries their daughter, her name is Jeyne Westerling.
She is also never pregnant in the books and her mother we find out was giving her "moon tea" to prevent a pregnancy, though the girl is seen to have really loved Robb and wanted to have his child. She then exits the story and there is a group of readers that question if she was actually pregnant after all with Robb's heir. Since the show creators know the end of the story, having Talisa at the wedding and killed by being stabbed in the belly is a harsh way of telling readers, "no, she really isn't secretly pregnant".
Why would the TV show change all that in such a major fashion?
It never ceases to amaze me how Hollywood or TV will buy the rights to a popular work and then make all sorts of changes to it.
I read an interview with the creators of the show last night and they said if they have to decide between staying true to the book and the story line in the show, they choose the show. They went on to discuss why she was pregnant and at the wedding in the show.
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he mind control stuff is pretty gay. Actually all of the fantasy stuff out side of the dragons is pretty gay
Speaking of gay, when did Brann start sounding so gay. His english accent mixed with puberty mixed with lisp is not working out for him.
The character that left the wedding reception/party to water a tree...
Could he have been in on what was about to take place?
Could he have been in on what was about to take place?
It depends on if we see any aftermath of the wedding and the fallout.
Like did they kill all the soldiers? Is the blackfish dead or alive, what anout edemure Etc. some of these things are specifically mentioned in the books but so far we aren't privy to the information.
The scene was BRUTAL in the books and captured very well if not perfectly on the show.
Like did they kill all the soldiers? Is the blackfish dead or alive, what anout edemure Etc. some of these things are specifically mentioned in the books but so far we aren't privy to the information.
The scene was BRUTAL in the books and captured very well if not perfectly on the show.
http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/06/02/game-of-thrones-author-george-r-r-martin-why-he-wrote-the-red-wedding/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Interview with George R.R. Martin on why he wrote the Red Wedding.
Interview with George R.R. Martin on why he wrote the Red Wedding.
Underrated post.
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Guess I'll root for hot pie now. He'll prolly end up living.
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Why would the TV show change all that in such a major fashion?
I think this says it best
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The character that left the wedding reception/party to water a tree...
Could he have been in on what was about to take place?
That's Cat's brother, highly unlikely
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After a second viewing, I want to make sure I understand something. The Boltons, the Freys, and the Lannisters all conspired to commit the ambush at the wedding, right?
Yes...that's why when Bolton stabs Robb he says "the Lannister's send their regards." So Frey and Bolton were actually there and Bolton implicates Tywin before he stabs Robb.
So I guess that makes more sense why Bolton was to adamant when he told jaime something to the affect of "make sure to tell your father I had absolutely nothing to do with your maming." I suspect that cutting off his son's hand would severely hinder any collaberation between the Bolton's and The Lannister's. Makes more sense why he let Jaime go in the first too...
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Also, I noticed something that doesn't make sense to me. Maybe it was just bad acting, bad directing, or bad drama...but the scene where Jorah (or whatever his name is) and Grey Worm returned from their battle without the new warrior guy seemed poorly done. When Dany asked where he was, the look on Jorah's face clearly showed sadness, as if to communicate the guy didn't survive. But he didn't die, and they won and took control of the army and city. Seemed like a cheap trick to misdirect the audience, which seems beneath GoT. Or maybe I just read too much into it.
I think the look Mormont gives is more disapointment in one of 2 things, 1) that "fabio" did in fact survive, or 2) that the first thing out of Dany's mouth after he tells her the city is hers is "where's fabio?" Since he (mormont) still has a thing for Dany.
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I took it as Jorah was sad that she seemed more interested in Daario than in Jorah (Jorah is in love....but she's leaning towards and making eyes at Fabio now as opposed to her old loyal guard and protector). She wasn't overtly excited about the other two returning....but almost a bit giddy at Daario rounding the corner. She likes her men with long hair.....Jorah doesn't have a shot
Beat me to it, but I completely concurr.
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That Fabio-looking d-bag still seems a little shady to me anyway. He practically accused Jorah of being untrustworthy, and I fully expected Jorah to say that guy had led them into a trap but they fought their way out of it. Am I the only one who doesn't trust that guy?
Wasn't Mormont banished from Westeros because he illegally sold men into slavery? Sounds pretty untrustworthy to me...and what "fabio" said was that men that speak that way "generally" aren't trustworthy...
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The character that left the wedding reception/party to water a tree...
Could he have been in on what was about to take place?
That's Cat's brother, highly unlikely
Was I imagining things or did I not see the Blackfish sitting at one of the tables during the slaughter? I thought he got killed along with everyone else in there, other than Edmure I guess.
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The character that left the wedding reception/party to water a tree...
Could he have been in on what was about to take place?
That's Cat's brother, highly unlikely
Was I imagining things or did I not see the Blackfish sitting at one of the tables during the slaughter? I thought he got killed along with everyone else in there, other than Edmure I guess.
I didn't notice that. I'd think they would have shown him getting killed up close if that had happened. They showed all of the other major players that were killed rather clearly.
Airplane ag, probably mistaken, a big guy from the book who was a minor but mentioned character, great John umber was one of robs generals, he was at the wedding and was killed (in the book) but since his character was shown once or twice last season I believe they may have just added a "big guy gets killed" for that effect.
So no, the guy that it killed wasn't the blackfish.
So no, the guy that it killed wasn't the blackfish.
You guys are probably right. For reference, at the 44:45 mark is the shot of the guy I was thinking of. I'd screenshot it but I'm lazy/not sure I know how. Hopefully the Blackfish is able to exact some bit of revenge in the future.
Blackfish is Catelynn's uncle, correct?
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Blackfish is Catelynn's uncle, correct?
Correct.
And Edmure (groom last night) is her brother.
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