Tywin is awesome. He is currently winning the GoT, his kids and others crave power while he actually wields it effectively. Also I have a feeling Rob is going to bite the dust soon(haven't read just speculating). The noble ones do not live long...

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Tywin is awesome. He is currently winning the GoT, his kids and others crave power while he actually wields it effectively. Also I have a feeling Rob is going to bite the dust soon(haven't read just speculating). The noble ones do not live long...

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That would be so ****ing stupid if that happened. Robb is your main damn character and protagonist right now. If you kill him, who the **** stops Jeffry and Tywin? Killing Robb leads absolutely nowhere and simply can’t happen with Renly dead, Robb “dead” and Stannis defeated. You’ve got no one else to stop the Lannisters. I could POSSIBLY see him dying in an upcoming season, but who is going to kill him this season? They haven’t been fighting all season, he is way up in who knows where at that dudes funeral. There would have to be one hell of a plot line dedicated to Robb over the next 4-5 episodes to get Robb to a place where the Lannisters could kill him, distance wise alone. But, again, there is no one (who isn’t half way around the world—looking at you, Dany) that could step in and fight the Lannisters if Robb dies. It would just be the END until Dany finally gets her ass over here (which probably won’t happen until her dragons get a little bigger)… Too much of a lull in the action, it won’t happen. I think it is likely the war effort just stalls on both sides this season (3) and maybe next season (4) the white walkers start showing up to decimate Robb’s army. Season 5 King’s Landing falls to the walkers (along with a handful of Lannisters) and Dany finally shows up with bigger dragons some time towards the end.

If Robb dies this season, I’m out of here.

I think the Tyrells (especially Grandma) have the pull to tell Tywin to go f himself if they don't want the gay dude to marry Censei. Stannis would be on the throne if not for the Tyrell's saving the Lannister's hide.

And are the Lannisters really the Royal Family? Isn't Joffrey technically a Barratheon?

If that's your stance, why didn't you leave when Ned died? He was the only one "good and noble" in season 1...

There are so many awesome characters and storylines in this show that they could kill off just about anyone and I would still watch for the other dozen awesome plots/opportunities. Don't get me wrong...I'd be hacked if they killed Tyrion...or Tywin...or Arya....or Dany.....but I wouldn't bail on the show.

Cersei is the Queen Regent. That's pretty much the Royal Family. Why would Mace Tyrell not want Loras to marry Cersei anyway? It further cements the Lannister/Tyrell alliance as the new Royalty.

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If that's your stance, why didn't you leave when Ned died? He was the only one "good and noble" in season 1...

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It’s different with Ned. Without Ned, you probably don’t have the war and thus, the SHOW. IIRC, Ned was told he could go to the wall if he said Joefry was king. Probably would have told his son not to go to war, too, if he wasn’t killed. Plus, with Ned dead, you still had the budding kings of Renly and Stannis, but Robb and the north is added to the fold, too.

But, OK, I take back my statement. I won’t stop watching if he dies. I’d just be really interested in where they are taking this, if he does. I think it is just a plot killer. What conflict will there be without war?

"Missing some of Ser Loras' favorite bits..."

Anyone notice how Ygrette is red headed and so is Melisandre? Wonder if they're sisters....

maybe i missed something earlier, but who the hell is tywin writing letters to every episode? Thats all that old bas**rd has done this season.

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maybe i missed something earlier, but who the hell is tywin writing letters to every episode? Thats all that old bas**rd has done this season.

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issuing orders and edicts??

tough going from the field to a desk job.

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And are the Lannisters really the Royal Family? Isn't Joffrey technically a Barratheon?

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If we are gonna talk technicalities, all the lands and titles of House Baratheon belong to Joffrey (unless some DNA test proved otherwise). The Lannisters, in their deceit, have absorbed an entire house. They are 2-of-7.

they should spin off CSI: Westeros

Heisenberg, Tywin is still commanding his troops from KLs, supply lines, etc. he is the hand and is basically acting as king do everywhere but KLs, ie he is issuing all troop movement orders, he is probably writing to the Erie, for little fingers trip there, etc.

I guess I get it now - since Robert was the oldest, he gets lands and titles and passes them off to his heir. Sucks for Stannis and Renly that their punk-azz nephew gets their family's stuff and they get nothing.

Question - if Joffrey is killed, do the Baratheon lands and titles pass to his younger brother? Or does Stannis get them then (assuming Joffrey doesn't have a kid himself)?

Joffrey's little brother would be next. After that, I think would come his sister. If not, then Stannis, though any claim to his own inheritance is stripped due to being a traitor (unless he wins, of course).

The King would give control over some possessions like Storm's End or Dragonstone to relatives like Renly and Stannis as Robert did, but Renly and Stannis became traitors when Joffrey got the crown.

Whatever happened to the giant zombie army?

it made dead horse art and disappeared

Wondering the same thing. At the end of last season, they were heading toward the wall and went past Sam. Then beginning of this season, Sam is running to tell the other Crows what he has seen. Sam is 3-400 pounds and not likely to be faster than the horde of white walkers. Then the Crows come upon their horse art handiwork, again seeming to be way behind them. Then they stop for a while at the old crank's compound.

The horde should be over the relatively unmanned wall and at Winterfell or farther South by now.

I thought they went over that in the first episode. There was a battle at the fist of the first men where Sam ran and hid while most of the nights watch was decimated. Only a few were left out on the original 300.

But yes where did the horde go after that?

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I thought they went over that in the first episode. There was a battle at the fist of the first men where Sam ran and hid while most of the nights watch was decimated. Only a few were left out on the original 300.

But yes where did the horde go after that?

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When did that happen? Did you read that or am I just an idiot?

They did speak to it in the 1st episode right after they saved Sam from the wight that was attacking him. No one knows where the WW army went, they seem to appear and re-appear but they cannot cross the wall because it is said to have magic that prevents them doing so (which was mentioned in Season 1).

That's why all the crows were bloodied and in lesser numbers when they saved Sam in Episode (1?). They didn't show the battle (most believe for budgetary reasons) but referenced it.

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That was Mance's wildling army, not the Night's Watch. They are indeed way behind the Night's Watch heading for the Wall and stumbled across the battle site at the Fist of the First Men where many of the Watch were killed.

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I guess I get it now - since Robert was the oldest, he gets lands and titles and passes them off to his heir. Sucks for Stannis and Renly that their punk-azz nephew gets their family's stuff and they get nothing.

Question - if Joffrey is killed, do the Baratheon lands and titles pass to his younger brother? Or does Stannis get them then (assuming Joffrey doesn't have a kid himself)?

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That is the way primogeniture works.
Primo = first
Genitura = beget

The lands and titles were all Roberts. He gave Renly and Stannis both castles and minor kingdoms to administer, but they did not own them, Robert did. Likewise all his lands and titles go to Joff. In S1 when Loras was blowing Renly, Renly told him its absurd to make a play because he was "4th in line". Who were the others?

1. Joffrey (Robert's oldest son)
2. Tommen (Robert's 2nd son)
3. Stannis
4. Renly

Stannis claims Joff and Tommen are products of Lannister incest and have no claim. He is next in line, by right.

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Wondering the same thing. At the end of last season, they were heading toward the wall and went past Sam. Then beginning of this season, Sam is running to tell the other Crows what he has seen. Sam is 3-400 pounds and not likely to be faster than the horde of white walkers. Then the Crows come upon their horse art handiwork, again seeming to be way behind them. Then they stop for a while at the old crank's compound.

The horde should be over the relatively unmanned wall and at Winterfell or farther South by now.

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They weren't near the actual wall.

They were near what is called the "Fist of the First Men" which is further north before the wall and Craster's keep.

So has anyone made anything of the song at the end of the show that the little girl sings?

It's always summer
Under the Sea
I know, I know
Oh, oh, oh
The birds have scales
and the fish take wing
I know, I know
Oh, oh, oh
The rain is dry
And snow falls up
I know, I know
Oh, oh, oh
The stones crack open
The water burns
The shadows come to dance
My lord
The shadows come
To play
The shadows come to dance
My lord
The shadows come
To stay

My best guess is that it has to do with what's coming, a lot of death and destruction.

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That's why all the crows were bloodied and in lesser numbers when they saved Sam in Episode (1?). They didn't show the battle (most believe for budgetary reasons) but referenced it.

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All they showed was a black screen with a lot of sword clashes and screaming then it opened up with Sam running for his life and running into the wight. It was very anti-climatic from the season two finale.

So because of the implied battle, we are supposed to assume that they killed and burned that entire zombie horde?

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Good catch. I figured the song was about dragons...scaled, beaked, winged beasts... (isnt the evolutionary link fish and birds: lizards?)

"The stones crack open" = Dany's eggs
"Shadows come to play" = the age of magic has returned.

And the fact that her mother and her were in Dragonstone (Targaryen) forever makes me think thats where/why she picked up the song.


I could be wrong.

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So because of the implied battle, we are supposed to assume that they killed and burned that entire zombie horde?

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Hell no. They RAN. And most of them died in the process. That's what was implied.

The few remaining alive hobbled to Craster's Keep on their way to the wall, and that's where all the s*** went down.

I'd imagine the show will fill us in on the aftermath of that battle