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I'm also of the theory that Jon hauled a$$ because he wanted to draw the wildings away from Bran and Rickon once he recognized the wolves.

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Good observation since these wolves are supposed to be very rare.

Jon running to draw attention away from Bran is a good theory.

I have no idea what yall are referring to when yall are talking about bread and salt.

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quote: I'm also of the theory that Jon hauled a$$ because he wanted to draw the wildings away from Bran and Rickon once he recognized the wolves.



Good observation since these wolves are supposed to be very rare.

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I agree, and the fact that the wolves seemed to be attacking the wildlings that were attacking Jon adds to the possibility of this.

He may also have been afraid that if he stuck around too much longer, Ygritte would eventually come to his aid, and alienate herself fromt he other wildlings (hence him pushing her down at the start of the fight) and he is trying to protect her, as well.

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I have no idea what yall are referring to when yall are talking about bread and salt.

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It's in the first scene when Catelyn, Robb, and company show up at the Freys' place. There are bowls passed around that are filled with bread and salt, and every visitor takes a bit of each. It is a tradition that symbolizes that they are guests of the Freys and are protected from being harmed.

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i don't totally understand critiques like "why did sam leave the dagger?!" and "why did john not realize those were his brothers' wolves?!"

sometimes you're just in a ****ing hurry and need to get outta dodge

The thing about Jon stopping and thinking about why his brothers' wolves are there is a bit much to ask...

But Sam leaving the dagger, which is a foot away from where he stood to grab Gilly, is dumb dumb dumb.

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But Sam leaving the dagger, which is a foot away from where he stood to grab Gilly, is dumb dumb dumb.

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do you ever really see the dagger in the snow? perhaps i missed it, but it looked like it disintegrated along with the white walker.

and of course, stopping to look for the dagger in the dead of might when tens of white walkers could be around you is pretty stupid. in the moment he may not have realized yet that the dagger was all that important.

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I'll grab a screen shot of the area after the walker disintegrated. One sec...

And there he is as he is disintegrating. The black shape that is left behind definitely looks like a dagger, but it is left behind where his hips were. So either it is the dagger and a bit of a special effects failure (Sam stabbed him in the upper back near his neck), or his loincloth got left behind, and just happened to fall into vaguely daggerish shaped bundle.

Bunk + 1

There's an entire other thread dedicated to those who have read the books. Everyone on there is ALSO watching the show, so it's not like the readers are having to have any different type of discussion.

The only reason the book-readers choose to post in this thread is to show off their knowledge -- either of what TV viewers may have missed or what we don't yet know -- and it annoys the crap out of a big lot of us.

Some of you book readers act like you "get it", but then still push the boundaries. Just because something hasn't actually been revealed in the books doesn't mean it is not a spoiler for the show.

The show has yet to "catch up" to the books. A few pages prior in this thread a book reader mentioned that "I have no problem with the Freys and Boltons getting away with it. (This isnt a spoiler because everyone's future is uncertain)."

Can you not grasp that by a book reader making that comment it tells non-book readers that those two characters/families are now safe until at the very least new source material is written and filmed(probably well past Season 5)?

I basically now know that the Freys and Boltons aren't going to have any repurcussions for their actions in the next few seasons. Is that a major spoiler? Not really. But it's something that a TV-watcher would not have known, only a book-reader would have.


It's not the least bit surprising that some of the people who do it are the same ones that couldn't help themselves in the Walking Dead threads.

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Exactly

You know, it's posts like yours and bunks that diminish the quality of the thread moreso than guys like Bill talking about the politics behind the show, which are mentioned on the show as well as the HBO website. Crying spoiler and complaining does nothing but derail the thread, which this post is guilty of, as well. If you have a problem with a specific post, vote it down, otherwise just stick to talking about the show.

I agree that book readers need to tread very carefully or avoid posting at all.

Conversely, I also think that posters who say stuff like "I was so shocked when Ron gets shot by the old dude at Edward's wedding then redhead chick gets stabbed, but at least dragon lady still shows her tits sometimes" should probably read a compendium or something.

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You know, it's posts like yours and bunks that diminish the quality of the thread moreso than guys like Bill talking about the politics behind the show, which are mentioned on the show as well as the HBO website. Crying spoiler and complaining does nothing but derail the thread, which this post is guilty of, as well. If you have a problem with a specific post, vote it down, otherwise just stick to talking about the show.

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That's kind of my point of posting. I've come to accept that Bill isn't going to stop posting on these threads no matter how many people complain. So rather than voting it down I'm trying to make him a little more aware that if he wants to show off his knowledge to everyone then to be more careful about it.

As I think Sepinwall says regarding his comment sections -- if you are about to post something that you would have no way of knowing without reading the books, then don't post it... It's a pretty easy rule to go by when posting in non-book-reader-no-spoilers threads.

Do I really give a **** that the Frey's are going to go unpunished for the red wedding (at least for the time spanned in the next few seasons)? Not really.

But to go back to the question that should be asked before book readers post -- Would I have any idea that the Freys aren't going to get their heads cut-off in the season finale this Sunday if I had not read the books? I wouldn't? Then I shouldn't post it in a non-book-reader thread.

It's really not that difficult a concept.

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He's going to do what he wants, there is nothing you or anyone other than staff can do to change that, and you calling him out only makes him more likely to continue doing it, he enjoys getting you riled up. Just try to ignore it and vote down posts you think contain spoilers.

I just think it's absolutely pathetic that some of the book readers are so obsessed with GoT that they cannot resist pouncing on and spamming every single GoT discussion thread they can find, even when they're clearly not wanted.

Looking at you, Billon********erHill

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The thread titles for Season 4 need to be changed from Spoilers/Non-Spoilers to Book Readers/Non-Book Readers. Take it back to high school type segregation.

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I have no earthly idea why people who have read the book continue to post on this thread when they are clearly not wanted. I'm not mad or freaking out. I'm annoyed that these little people are not considerate enough of people trying to use/enjoy this thread.

I'm just waiting for someone to suggest the re-creation of the no-spoilers thread for both readers and non-readers.

it's no big deal. This thread has been crap for a long time. I avoided it almost completely the last few weeks, but after last week's badass episode I come to see some discussion and it's trash again, and that is due to book readers, whether they think they are "not posting anything from the books," "not posting spoilers," or my favorite..."helping us because we obviously missed it in that 2 second scene back in season 2."

This season is about to bed done. Next year we'll start a "non-spoiler, non-book reader thread" and we'll appeal to staff to either have someone on staff monitor the thread or if they dont' want to then give someone who many agree upon the ability to delete posts in that thread that go over the line or even reek of a book reader posting discussion.

I don't care to read anything a book reader has to say about the show, even if they are the best poster on this thread and have never done anything even close to spoiling it. For us non-book readers, it's not about that.

there you go JJ....non-spoiler, non-reader thread suggestion.

don't give a flying **** what readers want to do on their threads.

+1 for Bunk and Free_Mhayden.

The obvious book readers are so damn annoying that I just stopped coming to this thread (Red Wedding brought me back). It's not even the spoilers so much, although they are annoying... but more this superiority complex they enjoy showcasing to the poor non readers who are clueless.

And Bill is gonna keep doing what he does because he's a dbag and gets off on it. Probably because he's fat in real life and doesn't have any friends.

If it's any consolation to you guys, BoCH usually doesn't understand what he has read in the books anyway. I'll leave you to the bickering.

Clearly many more threads will be needed for Season 4.

Book Readers (spoilers)
Book Readers (no spoilers!)
People who only read the first book (semi-spoilers)
People who can't read
Non-Book Readers (spoilers!)
Non-Book Readers (no spoilers)
Book Readers who check in over 300 lbs (spoilers + dungeons and dragons tournament)

Last one made me chuckle

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I don't care to read anything a book reader has to say about the show, even if they are the best poster on this thread and have never done anything even close to spoiling it. For us non-book readers, it's not about that.

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Granted I rarely post and certainly haven't spoiled anything or provided much background info anyway, so it may not apply to me, but... there are those of us who have only read through Book 3, and we can't post on the other thread because long-term plots will get spoiled for us too. It's happened to me twice already, which is why I'm careful not to post too much on this thread. At any rate, people like me have nowhere to go if we limit this thread to non-readers only.

Clean up the thread and take out the trash all you want - I'm all for it - but recognize that there are quite a few book readers who haven't done anything wrong here.

you haven't posted anything questionable that I've noticed I don't think.

I understand the issue that comes with people who have only read a certain amount.

It's just blatantly obvious who the book readers are, and how much they want to discuss stuff on the show, and it's clear when they discuss stuff that while it may have been mentioned or glossed over in the show, that non-book readers would have never picked up on yet we get that event and its entire history explained due to the rule of it being "mentioned" in the storyline so vaguely.

I'm done talkin about it. It's not a big deal, and the season is almost over. Bill obviously gets off to it, and that's fine. It's not even like he's the only one, or that it's horrible spoilers or anything, it's just frustrating to us non-readers. We don't want the ****ing entire history of westeros and the characters or why someone said something. We'll figure that out on our own(without the aid of readers) or if the show wants us to know. If we mistakenly think the Riverlands is or is not a kingdom, we can either figure it out, discuss among non-readers, go to hbo's website, or whatever. We dont' need a page long discussion between 3 or 4 book-readers to not only tell us what it is, but to also rate the value of it, the lords of the area, and compare them to others(Iron Isles) as well as the wealth of all of them and whether or not some could conquer others, who is more prestigious, etc.

That's just bull****.

FWIW, I think you're letting the fact that you know certain people are "book readers" and that you don't want to discuss things with "book readers" are coloring a bit of your judgement on what acceptable topics are. A lot of the type of discussions that you're talking about exists with every "heavily discussed" show I've ever seen discussed on message boards.

LOST threads had people constantly discussing minutiae from several seasons back that most people didn't remember, along with people discussing non-canonical interviews with the writers and creators, along with people discussing semi-canonical comics, internet shorts, and various viral marketing websites and stuff.

The same thing happens right now with Mad Men. The same kind of discussions that you talk about...

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I'm done talkin about it. It's not a big deal, and the season is almost over. Bill obviously gets off to it, and that's fine. It's not even like he's the only one, or that it's horrible spoilers or anything, it's just frustrating to us non-readers. We don't want the ****ing entire history of westeros and the characters or why someone said something. We'll figure that out on our own(without the aid of readers) or if the show wants us to know. If we mistakenly think the Riverlands is or is not a kingdom, we can either figure it out, discuss among non-readers, go to hbo's website, or whatever. We dont' need a page long discussion between 3 or 4 book-readers to not only tell us what it is, but to also rate the value of it, the lords of the area, and compare them to others(Iron Isles) as well as the wealth of all of them and whether or not some could conquer others, who is more prestigious, etc.

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...is always present. Your problem with it can't be what you say it is. The problem with it is that the people who discuss that know some of the spoilers and a lot of them cant help or are to stupid to keep their trap shut or analyze what they are saying.

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There is no room for discussion on the discussion thread. Got it. Lets get back to discu...talki...emoting

Book readers with 6,000 or more priority points
Book readers with 4,000 or more priority points
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There is no room for discussion on the discussion thread. Got it.

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Oh there is -- it's called the *** Game of Thrones: Season 3 (spoilers-allowed thread) ***.

It's got 1,790 posts -- even more discussion than this thread. All the ****ing discussion you could ever want.

jj....the difference is the LOST and MM threads don't have people posting with knowledge of the future. My example was just the one from this week that frustrated me.

Yes, I know who the book readers are. It's obvious in their posts, and yes, whether they realize it or not, they have often given away information that we may not know, or are supposed to know.

The LOST and MM threads are fun because everyone has the same access to knowledge and go out and find crazy stuff to discuss and theorize.

When bookreaders come on and either knowingly or unknowingly post **** that could easily be interpreted for stuff that will happen in the future or later in the series even if they don't think they are, it's not the same.

And yes, it is obvious we all want to discuss it with non-readers only. I've said that multiple times.

it is odd to me that you guys are against anyone who has read the books posting here...i talk about game of thrones the show all the time with friends who haven't touched the books and there are never arguments like this, or any hints of book stuff dropped (unless specifically asked)

i made the other thread specifically because i figured someone would make this thread, and so all book discussion - not just spoilers, but ALL book discussion - would stay in one place. i'm sorry that hasn't happened the whole way through.

the only thing that still baffles me is getting mad when someone brings up a small detail that was definitely said in the show, because that's just the kind of show this is - it requires attention to detail. there are other forums i've seen that STRICTLY moderate GoT discussions to keep book readers out, and these guys who just watch the show dissect things from the show just like people did with Lost and other great sprawling television series...so seeing that here, and always assuming it's a book reader trying to feel superior or whatever, as opposed to just a TV viewer really getting into the show, is a pretty radical viewpoint. especially considering the density of content of the series

oh and if it's any consolation, we don't care much for bill on the other thread either

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