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Charlie Kirk Assassination Man Hunt Updates & Speculation[Staff Edit]
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IndividualFreedom said:Quote:
I am sorry if I somehow missed it, but what is this stuff about "no exit wound" and where is it coming from? Did the coroner confirm the bullet never came out? are they saying the left side of his neck, where all of the blood poured out from, was the ENTRY wound?
Yes, let's focus on this for a while.
Where is the bullet? Has that been asked? Dan, does the FBI have possession of the bullet and does it match the rifle?
1 million out of 1 million 30.06 rounds fired into a human neck from 200 yds. would leave total chaos and most definitely would have an entry and an exit.
I shoot an M1 Garand and this is a 30.06 round with less gun powder (truly the only negative about the rifle, well the weight but it is oldschool). Just saying that round would have removed CK's dome. That sounds awful so please forgive me, but to have this discussion there is reality.
Can anyone chime in suggesting something different about this 30.06 round? If I am wrong, why?
It's just not true. Plus, we have no idea what ammunition was used. It has been said before but bullets do weird things that you wouldn't always expect. Yes, it is likely that the bullet passes through the neck if it hits nothing but tissue. However, there's definitely nothing near a 1 million times out of 1 million times guarantee
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I am sorry if I somehow missed it, but what is this stuff about "no exit wound" and where is it coming from? Did the coroner confirm the bullet never came out? are they saying the left side of his neck, where all of the blood poured out from, was the ENTRY wound?
IndividualFreedom said:
Yes, let's focus on this for a while.
Where is the bullet? Has that been asked? Dan, does the FBI have possession of the bullet and does it match the rifle?
1 million out of 1 million 30.06 rounds fired into a human neck from 200 yds. would leave total chaos and most definitely would have an entry and an exit.
I shoot an M1 Garand and this is a 30.06 round with less gun powder (truly the only negative about the rifle, well the weight but it is oldschool). Just saying that round would have removed CK's dome. That sounds awful so please forgive me, but to have this discussion there is reality.
Can anyone chime in suggesting something different about this 30.06 round? If I am wrong, why?
It's just not true. Plus, we have no idea what ammunition was used. It has been said before but bullets do weird things that you wouldn't always expect. Yes, it is likely that the bullet passes through the neck if it hits nothing but tissue. However, there's definitely nothing near a 1 million times out of 1 million times guarantee
Agreed. If someone set up a duplicate scenario and shot 100 rounds of 30.06 to show the world and ALL 100 rounds had an entry AND an exit, would that raise questions? 200 rounds? 300 rounds? 1000 rounds? Is that a large enough sample size?
The FBI can not lie to us again!!!!! Yet this is not being pointed out at the top of our lungs.
Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:BOOM 💥 Megyn Kelly brings the receipts
— @Chicago1Ray 🇺🇸 (@Chicago1Ray) September 20, 2025
FBI is looking into (7) accts linked to Lance Twiggs
All of these posts from these accts have cryptic messages, and Kelly asks after reading them, how did they all know this was about to happen to Charlie Kirk
He didn't do this alone pic.twitter.com/CtlljMrEUA
that looks AI generated.
agracer said:Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:BOOM 💥 Megyn Kelly brings the receipts
— @Chicago1Ray 🇺🇸 (@Chicago1Ray) September 20, 2025
FBI is looking into (7) accts linked to Lance Twiggs
All of these posts from these accts have cryptic messages, and Kelly asks after reading them, how did they all know this was about to happen to Charlie Kirk
He didn't do this alone pic.twitter.com/CtlljMrEUA
that looks AI generated.
Agree
This takes you to a video demonstrating 30.06. I think the best so far Ive seen. No way CK was struck with a 30.06 round
- The FBI said it was an 'old' Mauser 30-06.
- It was then reported as a relatively recent M38.
- The FBI has the rifle, and additional rounds as well as the casing from the roof (?).
- An Autopsy has been performed.
I think pretty much anyone who has gone deer hunting with a 308/similarly powerful round at sub-200 yards would agree that this is not something that stops when it hits soft tissue, period.
The criminologists/investigators have all of the data needed to figure this out, and I hope it is released quickly so there are not too many conspiracy theories propagated. It's going to get worse, if it is withheld, imho, especially now that the funeral is over.
I'm 100% in the chest plate deflection camp personally
The problem with this is that it requires an a priori belief in a massive conspiracy, that the FBI is lying about the gun, the footage, Tyler Robinson's texts, the investigation since the shooting, the (unreleased) autopsy, the motive, and further would require that Charlie's widow is complicit in ignoring the results of the autopsy or suspicions.
I'm not saying conspiracies aren't sometimes real (see: Fauci Flu), but rather that the 'preponderance of the evidence/prudent man' theory right now is that…he was shot as described thus far by Tyler Robinson using a 30-06 rifle as found. None of the dozens of cameras on him at the time, either, have disproved that or given cause really to substantially doubt this fact.
The theory that someone with a handgun somehow near him shot him from an entirely different angle, and escaped un-filmed/harmed/detected, with the assistance then of the FBI/state law enforcement etc, is just an absurdity in my mind.
I'm not saying conspiracies aren't sometimes real (see: Fauci Flu), but rather that the 'preponderance of the evidence/prudent man' theory right now is that…he was shot as described thus far by Tyler Robinson using a 30-06 rifle as found. None of the dozens of cameras on him at the time, either, have disproved that or given cause really to substantially doubt this fact.
The theory that someone with a handgun somehow near him shot him from an entirely different angle, and escaped un-filmed/harmed/detected, with the assistance then of the FBI/state law enforcement etc, is just an absurdity in my mind.
It's funny you say that. My wife just ran across a conspiracy theory claiming something similar. Guy in green standing near his side with folded arms doesn't react when Charlie gets shot and calmly puts something into his back pocket after Charlie falls. She was telling me the speculation was it could have been one of those folding pistols that take the thin rectangular form of a cell phone. I HAVE NOT SEEN THE VIDEO but wanted to confirm that it is another conspiracy theory that's making the rounds.
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I'm 100% in the chest plate deflection camp personally
I am not sure about the physics but imagine being in an elevated position as the shooter was. Your trajectory is downward. Does a ricochet take a change of direction at a velocity of 2800fps in an upward direction? I am just typing this to raise the question. Something tells me it would have a downward ricochet. And even if this upward ricochet did occur there would still be an exit.
Calls need to be placed with VINCE on Silverloch (fella that took over for Dan) and ask these questions. Let it be said that we the people are watching. Don't give me this under an open investigation non-sense because the case will never close. Don't turn this into Las Vegas again.
I've seen it. Posted with comments by some streamer claiming there is a shooter in the background. The video is very fuzzy and inconclusive. The streamer claims that the guy next to Charlie intentionally boxed out another person from that shooters line of fire. Again, that looked like normal movement to me. What stood out was that person's lack of reaction when Charlie was hit and began to fall right at his feet. It does look strange but, with so much noise and chaos, it seems plausible that he was simply focused elsewhere. Gotta believe LE has enhanced that and a lot of other video to identify any collaborators.
IndividualFreedom said:Quote:
I'm 100% in the chest plate deflection camp personally
I am not sure about the physics but imagine being in an elevated position as the shooter was. Your trajectory is downward. Does a ricochet take a change of direction at a velocity of 2800fps in an upward direction? I am just typing this to raise the question. Something tells me it would have a downward ricochet. And even if this upward ricochet did occur there would still be an exit.
Calls need to be placed with VINCE on Silverloch (fella that took over for Dan) and ask these questions. Let it be said that we the people are watching. Don't give me this under an open investigation non-sense because the case will never close. Don't turn this into Las Vegas again.
I think it all depends on the angle of hitting the chest piece in regards to trajectory and velocity and likelihood on exit wound or not, but I can't disagree that there are still a LOT of questions to be answered.
The Vegas shooting is still one of the most insane things to ever happen with virtually no answers. There is not even a semblance of me that believes anything we've been told there.
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that looks AI generated.
It may look AI but her words are hers. I remember that episode clearly.
IndividualFreedom said:Quote:
that looks AI generated.
It may look AI but her words are hers. I remember that episode clearly.
I have given up trying to convince idiots that every time they hear something they don't agree with now they holler AI. I agree A has become a problem, but it's not the excuse for everything that you can't get in your head.
"We're going to turn this red Prius into a soup kitchen!"
I'm also questioning how a sub 200 yard shot with a 30-06 would not easily exit a human neck.
Almost every "fact" that has been released about this case has been very strange...
Almost every "fact" that has been released about this case has been very strange...
zgolfz85 said:
I'm 100% in the chest plate deflection camp personally
In the up close images, you see his nipples though. Not trying to be funny, but genuine question, do they make chest plates to look natural like that? I could see a market for fitted chest plates that look natural...just never heard of this.
agracer said:Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:BOOM 💥 Megyn Kelly brings the receipts
— @Chicago1Ray 🇺🇸 (@Chicago1Ray) September 20, 2025
FBI is looking into (7) accts linked to Lance Twiggs
All of these posts from these accts have cryptic messages, and Kelly asks after reading them, how did they all know this was about to happen to Charlie Kirk
He didn't do this alone pic.twitter.com/CtlljMrEUA
that looks AI generated.
To me it just looks like the video and audio are very slightly out of sync. Happens on my TV sometimes and I hate it.
El Gallo Blanco said:zgolfz85 said:
I'm 100% in the chest plate deflection camp personally
In the up close images, you see his nipples though. Not trying to be funny, but genuine question, do they make chest plates to look natural like that? I could see a market for fitted chest plates that look natural...just never heard of this.
Don't waste your time with knucklehead that don't pay attention Erika Kirk herself even verified that Charlie didn't wear a vest and he also refused to sit behind bulletproof glass. That's not how you wanted to interact.
Look at this video from the 9:00 mark. That's Charlie arriving on the UVU campus and you can see him in that plain white shirt. There's no way he's wearing a vest under that just watch.
"We're going to turn this red Prius into a soup kitchen!"
El Gallo Blanco said:zgolfz85 said:
I'm 100% in the chest plate deflection camp personally
In the up close images, you see his nipples though. Not trying to be funny, but genuine question, do they make chest plates to look natural like that? I could see a market for fitted chest plates that look natural...just never heard of this.
They do not. Further, you can see him bent over and the clear contours of his back. No shoulder or waist straps to secure any type of armor. It was a thin, white tshirt.
zgolfz85 said:
I'm 100% in the chest plate deflection camp personally
He wasn't wearing one.
Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:El Gallo Blanco said:zgolfz85 said:
I'm 100% in the chest plate deflection camp personally
In the up close images, you see his nipples though. Not trying to be funny, but genuine question, do they make chest plates to look natural like that? I could see a market for fitted chest plates that look natural...just never heard of this.
Don't waste your time with knucklehead that don't pay attention Erika Kirk herself even verified that Charlie didn't wear a vest and he also refused to sit behind bulletproof glass. That's not how you wanted to interact.
Look at this video from the 9:00 mark. That's Charlie arriving on the UVU campus and you can see him in that plain white shirt. There's no way he's wearing a vest under that just watch.
Ok first time I have seen him in this. I went from 100% to 80% no armor but after seeing this and at .25 speed 100% NO ARMOR. Besides thin armor 2500+ FPS is going right through most of the time. By my calcs to deflect a round of this speed would take minimum 7lbs and clearly nothing holding up 7lbs.
Also all the chatter about .30-06 and no exit wound. Again bullets do weird things and or maybe this cartridge had a low powder dump or was so old only a portion burned effectively acting like a .300 blackout round.
IndividualFreedom said:Quote:
that looks AI generated.
It may look AI but her words are hers. I remember that episode clearly.
Agree, this is legit from Megyn and not AI. I was listening to her program when she talked about it and cited some of the tweets.
zgolfz85 said:
I'm 100% in the chest plate deflection camp personally
Y'all should really move on from that. This was taken right before he sat down in Utah. You can clearly see chest hair and skin. He wasn't wearing a plate.
For reference I shot an axis a few years ago with 150gr 30-06 from an elevated position at a distance of about 80yd. Aimed at the shoulder and hit where I wanted to. The bullet entered, hit bone, and deflectected up into the spine with no exit wound.
Other times I have made the same shot and it has gone right through and blasted out the other side.
I also saw a report that Kirks chief of staff said he was wearing a vest.
Other times I have made the same shot and it has gone right through and blasted out the other side.
I also saw a report that Kirks chief of staff said he was wearing a vest.
Cibalo said:
For reference I shot an axis a few years ago with 150gr 30-06 from an elevated position at a distance of about 80yd. Aimed at the shoulder and hit where I wanted to. The bullet entered, hit bone, and deflectected up into the spine with no exit wound.
Other times I have made the same shot and it has gone right through and blasted out the other side.
I also saw a report that Kirks chief of staff said he was wearing a vest.
I watched that show live. His staff did not say that. He continued to decline wearing a vest or to speak from behind bullet proof glass. "Not yet" Charlie said despite increased threats.
txyaloo said:zgolfz85 said:
I'm 100% in the chest plate deflection camp personally
Y'all should really move on from that. This was taken right before he sat down in Utah. You can clearly see chest hair and skin. He wasn't wearing a plate.
You can see chest hair in that picture?
Cibalo said:
For reference I shot an axis a few years ago with 150gr 30-06 from an elevated position at a distance of about 80yd. Aimed at the shoulder and hit where I wanted to. The bullet entered, hit bone, and deflectected up into the spine with no exit wound.
Other times I have made the same shot and it has gone right through and blasted out the other side.
I also saw a report that Kirks chief of staff said he was wearing a vest.
And this statement from this YouTube "expert" has been refuted by Erika Kirk & Frank Turk and on the episode he made this claim he said if his information turns out to be incorrect he would admit he was wrong and apologize. He's yet to do either.
And all these YouTuber tactical guys that all claimed to be team members and Navy seals and everything else have weapons hanging on their wall behind them for visual effect all come up with crazy ideas every time there's something like this and 9 times out of 10 they turn to be wrong.
Start listening at the 12 minute mark, you'll see where this blow hard started this rumor
"We're going to turn this red Prius into a soup kitchen!"
He was not wearing a vest and let's say he was....... level one at most. Level one does not ricochet.
bottom line.......... 30.06 round did not kill CK and if that round did not kill CK then the killer on the roof is ruled out unless a different rifle/round was used. As it stands now, FBI says 30.06 rifle and round was the killer. They think we are dumb.
CK does not have a shoulder bones in his neck. 30.06 removes the neck.
bottom line.......... 30.06 round did not kill CK and if that round did not kill CK then the killer on the roof is ruled out unless a different rifle/round was used. As it stands now, FBI says 30.06 rifle and round was the killer. They think we are dumb.
CK does not have a shoulder bones in his neck. 30.06 removes the neck.
Over dinner, Ms. Kirk implored her husband to start wearing a bulletproof vest. When he demurred, the friend suggested that Mr. Kirk speak behind bulletproof glass.
"Not yet," Mr. Kirk replied. He said he felt confident in his team, and that there would be additional security at the Utah event.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/21/us/politics/erika-kirk.html
"Not yet," Mr. Kirk replied. He said he felt confident in his team, and that there would be additional security at the Utah event.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/21/us/politics/erika-kirk.html
JFABNRGR said:Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:
Also all the chatter about .30-06 and no exit wound. Again bullets do weird things and or maybe this cartridge had a low powder dump or was so old only a portion burned effectively acting like a .300 blackout round.
I've been thinking about that as a possible explanation as to why there wasn't a through and through wound. It was his grandfather's gun, vintage WW1. Suppose it had been sitting in the closet for decades along with a box of grandpa's shells. Ammo decomposition occurs although it is dependent upon a bunch of factors.
When my grandfather died in 1969, I asked for his 12 ga., double barrel, hammer lock shotgun (made in 1921) as a remembrance, as he had taught me how to hunt rabbits and peasants. Well, I never shot or used that shotgun; it was a memory. I recently gave it away to a son-in-law; it's still in good working condition. Had it come with a box of shells, the latter still would have been in my possession. I own a sawed off 410 shotgun that I used in the 1980s for shooting snakes; I still have half a box of unused shells from the 80s.
drcrinum said:JFABNRGR said:
Also all the chatter about .30-06 and no exit wound. Again bullets do weird things and or maybe this cartridge had a low powder dump or was so old only a portion burned effectively acting like a .300 blackout round.
I've been thinking about that as a possible explanation as to why there wasn't a through and through wound. It was his grandfather's gun, vintage WW1. Suppose it had been sitting in the closet for decades along with a box of grandpa's shells. Ammo decomposition occurs although it is dependent upon a bunch of factors.
When my grandfather died in 1969, I asked for his 12 ga., double barrel, hammer lock shotgun (made in 1921) as a remembrance, as he had taught me how to hunt rabbits and peasants. Well, I never shot or used that shotgun; it was a memory. I recently gave it away to a son-in-law; it's still in good working condition. Had it come with a box of shells, the latter still would have been in my possession. I own a sawed off 410 shotgun that I used in the 1980s for shooting snakes; I still have half a box of unused shells from the 80s.
Dang, your grandfather was hardcore.
ROTFLMAO!
I'm getting to be too old for posting on social media.
I'm getting to be too old for posting on social media.
Thanks. I have no idea if it was true our not. I haven't had time to keep up with everything and it was just something I saw.
Initially when I saw the video I thought the bullet had just caught the side of his neck and created one large opening.
Initially when I saw the video I thought the bullet had just caught the side of his neck and created one large opening.
Or it could have just been a varmit load. Or a reduced recoil load. Could have also lost stability due to a corroded barrel. Could have been a lot of things.
People speaking in absolutes about the 30-06 because there was no exit wounds have zero clue what they are talking about and should just be ignored at this point.
People speaking in absolutes about the 30-06 because there was no exit wounds have zero clue what they are talking about and should just be ignored at this point.
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