Tabasco said:
THATs "hi res" images?
I'm assuming the full photo is much larger and they cropped and zoomed in.
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I'm assuming the full photo is much larger and they cropped and zoomed in.
Okay, heard a former FBI agent talking about pre-incident video since a lot of planning had to be involved. Including recon after the tent had been put up.
So that image may be from a pre-incident recon trip, perhaps.
So that image may be from a pre-incident recon trip, perhaps.
aggiehawg said:
Thanks. Do a lot of outlets sell that shirt?
Dont know. I found a bunch for sale on Poshmark. (a reseller site)
So we're at:
1. Not an antique "Mauser"
2. More like a Savage type model WalMart special 397 plus tax
3. A kid and a frail kid
4 FBI needs help
1. Not an antique "Mauser"
2. More like a Savage type model WalMart special 397 plus tax
3. A kid and a frail kid
4 FBI needs help
AgResearch said:
That's a nothing special gun and scope. Gonna be easy to trace down ownership.
Literally looks a rifle/scope combo deal they sell at places like CDNN or AIM Surplus. The scope is definitely inexpensive, probably a Vortex. I can't tell the make of the rifle from the photo.
I keep seeing "Mauser" like that means anything. It's just a Mauser style bolt action. Not some WWI relic someone found in papa's garage.
All that said, one trip to the range and that rifle could easily be lethal at 200+ yards.
oneeyedag said:
So we're at:
1. Not an antique "Mauser"
2. More like a Savage type model WalMart special 397 plus tax
3. A kid and a frail kid
4 FBI needs help
I have both weapons (Mauser and Savage)...what makes you think Savage? This is a serious question...I could be wrong.
“It was miraculous. It was almost no trick at all, he saw, to turn vice into virtue and slander into truth, impotence into abstinence, arrogance into humility, plunder into philanthropy, thievery into honor, blasphemy into wisdom, brutality into patriotism, and sadism into justice. Anybody could do it; it required no brains at all. It merely required no character.”
Joseph Heller, Catch 22
Joseph Heller, Catch 22
Same here i could be wrong.
Looks like the cheapish plastic stock frame with the stock cheapish scope that walmart carrys.
Looks like the cheapish plastic stock frame with the stock cheapish scope that walmart carrys.
Looks like a cell phone in his right pocket
Vegan, organic, non GMO, and glutton free so they don't eat there anyway.
The pics don't show him carrying a rifle. Must be taken from after the shooting or on a prior occasion when he was scouting the position.
Remember, don't assume the slow release of information from the FBI means they really need our help identifying this person. For all we know, they could be trying to scare him into turning his phone back on to check for updates or even trying to identify any co-conspirators (i.e., people texting him offering help escaping, etc).
I just have to believe that the full force of the FBI vs an emotionally charged college student will not be a battle that lasts much longer.
I just have to believe that the full force of the FBI vs an emotionally charged college student will not be a battle that lasts much longer.
It's interesting to me that the suspect just didn't leave the rifle on the roof, if it's not traceable. Seems very risky to carry that out of the area, even if was in a towel or box.
let's hope we don't let that coward off that easilyApollo79 said:
this dude is toast my guess he is going to self-delete before getting captured.
Houston Lee said:
The pics don't show him carrying a rifle. Must be taken from after the shooting or on a prior occasion when he was scouting the position.
Considering authorities have the rifle, I would suspect he left it behind.
Its hard to blend into a fleeing crowd if you are carrying a long-rifle moments after a shooting.
If he is on campus wifi, they should be able to pull the data from the nearest access point. Being that he was not in the crowd, that would be probably on other access points, it should be able to narrow it down.
TheBonifaceOption said:Houston Lee said:
The pics don't show him carrying a rifle. Must be taken from after the shooting or on a prior occasion when he was scouting the position.
Considering authorities have the rifle, I would suspect he left it behind.
Its hard to blend into a fleeing crowd if you are carrying a long-rifle moments after a shooting.
He left the rifle in the woods per reports, so he had to of carried it off the building. Hence my comment just above yours.
Houston Lee said:
The pics don't show him carrying a rifle. Must be taken from after the shooting or on a prior occasion when he was scouting the position.
That's what they will look at if not already started. Previous video of individuals in that area who will be scouting. Might have to go back in time a ways.
A private jet left Provo, UTAH airport an hour after the shooting
A Private Jet(N888KG) left Provo Airport, which is a 12-minute drive from Utah Valley University, an hour after Charlie Kirk was shot.
30 minutes into the Flight, the Plane Illegally dropped off its ADS-B (which shows its Location, Altitude and Speed to Air Traffic Control), and reappeared 45 minutes later, heading back to Provo.
Anyone hear more about this?
A Private Jet(N888KG) left Provo Airport, which is a 12-minute drive from Utah Valley University, an hour after Charlie Kirk was shot.
30 minutes into the Flight, the Plane Illegally dropped off its ADS-B (which shows its Location, Altitude and Speed to Air Traffic Control), and reappeared 45 minutes later, heading back to Provo.
Anyone hear more about this?
Gig em G said:
A private jet left Provo, UTAH airport an hour after the shooting
A Private Jet(N888KG) left Provo Airport, which is a 12-minute drive from Utah Valley University, an hour after Charlie Kirk was shot.
30 minutes into the Flight, the Plane Illegally dropped off its ADS-B (which shows its Location, Altitude and Speed to Air Traffic Control), and reappeared 45 minutes later, heading back to Provo.
Anyone hear more about this?
Yes, we all heard about it yesterday.
Yeah I'm confused by that as well. If you're gonna carry it off the roof with you, why drop it in the woods at that point? Why not park as close to that building as possible, get out of there as quickly as possible, and go dispose of it somewhere more remote/outside the immediate search perimeter?
J.P. 03 said:
Yeah I'm confused by that as well. If you're gonna carry it off the roof with you, why drop it in the woods at that point? Why not park as close to that building as possible, get out of there as quickly as possible, and go dispose of it somewhere more remote/outside the immediate search perimeter?
Hes a moron, why overthink it
Gig em G said:
A private jet left Provo, UTAH airport an hour after the shooting
A Private Jet(N888KG) left Provo Airport, which is a 12-minute drive from Utah Valley University, an hour after Charlie Kirk was shot.
30 minutes into the Flight, the Plane Illegally dropped off its ADS-B (which shows its Location, Altitude and Speed to Air Traffic Control), and reappeared 45 minutes later, heading back to Provo.
Anyone hear more about this?
Yes, and it was as ridiculous yesterday as it is now.
J.P. 03 said:
Yeah I'm confused by that as well. If you're gonna carry it off the roof with you, why drop it in the woods at that point? Why not park as close to that building as possible, get out of there as quickly as possible, and go dispose of it somewhere more remote/outside the immediate search perimeter?
I haven't looked at any aerial views of campus, but the "woods" may have been close to this exit point from the building and an obvious place to dump a rifle if you are trying to blend in with the crowd leaving campus.
If you have access to a private jet, you aren't going to be kitted up with a $200 rifle and a towel.
Why is it ridiculous? How normal is it that ADS-B tracking is off? Could it have just been poor reception or something?
Sorry for bothering some of you all that are chronically online and know everything about this already.
Sorry for bothering some of you all that are chronically online and know everything about this already.
japantiger said:oneeyedag said:
So we're at:
1. Not an antique "Mauser"
2. More like a Savage type model WalMart special 397 plus tax
3. A kid and a frail kid
4 FBI needs help
I have both weapons (Mauser and Savage)...what makes you think Savage? This is a serious question...I could be wrong.
Based upon japantiger's post below about running the pic thru Grok, I was able to find the below rifle online, Mauser M18 with Vortex Copperhead scope.
J.P. 03 said:
Yeah I'm confused by that as well. If you're gonna carry it off the roof with you, why drop it in the woods at that point? Why not park as close to that building as possible, get out of there as quickly as possible, and go dispose of it somewhere more remote/outside the immediate search perimeter?
perhaps he left roof, dropped rifle in woods, returned to campus / crowd to blend in and get to his vehicle ?
The letter agencies don't crowd source info/images like this in big cases.
They crowd source the narrative, so everyone latches on.
Stay vigilant
They crowd source the narrative, so everyone latches on.
Stay vigilant
"No one cuts me with impunity."
oneeyedag said:
Same here i could be wrong.
Looks like the cheapish plastic stock frame with the stock cheapish scope that walmart carrys.
I ran the photo thru GROK....
Based on the uploaded image, this appears to be a Mauser M18 bolt-action rifle. Key identifying features include the black polymer stock with soft-grip inlays, the straight-down bolt handle with a synthetic ball end, the cold-hammer-forged sporter barrel (approximately 22 inches long with a matte black finish), the flush-fitting detachable 5-round box magazine, and the overall matte black receiver and barrel finish.
Likely Vortex Copperhead 4-12x44mm (with BDC reticle) is a common factory or retailer package option for the Mauser M18
It's good on these type of things...but not perfect.
Either way, it does not look like a converted surplus Army rifle...new model. If M18; a very standard model purchased in volume.
“It was miraculous. It was almost no trick at all, he saw, to turn vice into virtue and slander into truth, impotence into abstinence, arrogance into humility, plunder into philanthropy, thievery into honor, blasphemy into wisdom, brutality into patriotism, and sadism into justice. Anybody could do it; it required no brains at all. It merely required no character.”
Joseph Heller, Catch 22
Joseph Heller, Catch 22
oh no said:J.P. 03 said:
Yeah I'm confused by that as well. If you're gonna carry it off the roof with you, why drop it in the woods at that point? Why not park as close to that building as possible, get out of there as quickly as possible, and go dispose of it somewhere more remote/outside the immediate search perimeter?
perhaps he left roof, dropped rifle in woods, returned to campus / crowd to blend in and get to his vehicle ?
Again, why not just leave the rifle on the roof to begin with, if it's not traceable? Makes zero sense to me.
yeah, they banned me for an hour LOL!!!!!!!
txaggie02 said:oh no said:J.P. 03 said:
Yeah I'm confused by that as well. If you're gonna carry it off the roof with you, why drop it in the woods at that point? Why not park as close to that building as possible, get out of there as quickly as possible, and go dispose of it somewhere more remote/outside the immediate search perimeter?
perhaps he left roof, dropped rifle in woods, returned to campus / crowd to blend in and get to his vehicle ?
Again, why not just leave the rifle on the roof to begin with, if it's not traceable? Makes zero sense to me.
Because the actions of a crazy person rarely make sense.
powerbelly said:J.P. 03 said:
Yeah I'm confused by that as well. If you're gonna carry it off the roof with you, why drop it in the woods at that point? Why not park as close to that building as possible, get out of there as quickly as possible, and go dispose of it somewhere more remote/outside the immediate search perimeter?
I haven't looked at any aerial views of campus, but the "woods" may have been close to this exit point from the building and an obvious place to dump a rifle if you are trying to blend in with the crowd leaving campus.
I'm not sure what the authorities are calling 'woods', but there's no woods on that campus (I've been on that campus)... or really that close. You have to head East towards the mountains to get to real woods. But maybe they're just calling a stand of a few planted trees as 'woods'.
txaggie02 said:oh no said:J.P. 03 said:
Yeah I'm confused by that as well. If you're gonna carry it off the roof with you, why drop it in the woods at that point? Why not park as close to that building as possible, get out of there as quickly as possible, and go dispose of it somewhere more remote/outside the immediate search perimeter?
perhaps he left roof, dropped rifle in woods, returned to campus / crowd to blend in and get to his vehicle ?
Again, why not just leave the rifle on the roof to begin with, if it's not traceable? Makes zero sense to me.
perhaps he worried that it might be traceable and wanted to stash it somewhere he thought it might not be found as quickly ?
I don't know.. i'm not a mentally ill psychopath... just spitballing here.
That's a known corporate jet. Provo airport is a large jet repair facilty. Jets are repaired and test-flown all day there.
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