Charlie Kirk Assassination Man Hunt Updates & Speculation[Staff Edit]

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Tergdor
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Ryan the Temp said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

FireAg said:

Who?mikejones! said:

Confirmed the writing on the shell casings.

Anti fascist
Pro trans



I heard them read what was on the casings…I'm clearly not educated on such things…what on the casings was "pro trans"?


Seemed like gibberish to me, or potentially some kind of weird inside online jokes.

There was reference made to arrows engraved on the casings pointing different directions as being "pro-trans." As per the press conference, there were five arrows, one up, one right, and three down. This is a reference to dropping a bomb in the video game Helldiver 2.
Yep, there was that, too.

The most indicative thing is the bellachow song. Most people do not know what that means. Everything else is either the guy thinking he's funny or could easily be a smokescreen
Fdsa
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AgWhoop2015 said:

Some of you need to be prepared that he is in this camp... .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers
source? Or are you saying 'just in case'…I agree, right now, I don't trust any motive.
BlackLab
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Charge the roommate.
Swan Song
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There was a part of the PC where the Gov discussed a dinner conversation with the perp about how full of hate Kirk was. Doesn't sound very ultra right wing to me?
AgResearch
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annie88 said:

They are reporting that he was "wearing a Trump costume" several years ago but honestly that looks more like an insult to Trump the way his face looks and that he's sitting on him.

Also, here's another photo of him with a very large gun. A lot of people are saying they don't think a kid like this could've done that but if you have the experience which apparently he did and you can aim, I would think that he could. but I will defer to more experienced gunsmen.







Bottom picture looks like an Army recruitment type event or display at a local event. Wouldn't take much out of that picture.
FireAg
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I think it's pretty clear from his costume depicting himself riding on Trump like Trump is a mule (ie, the costume is calling Trump an ass) shows he was anti-Trump…

By default, I'm guessing he was anti-CK…

Where I continue to get lost is where people get the notion that Trump is a "fascist"…what does Trump do that makes him a "fascist"? I still don't see it…
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Keyno said:

Decay said:

"if you read this, you're gay, LMAO"

Just trollish internet crap

Yeah this one seems anti LGTB


I think it is intended as an insult to whatever law enforcement recovered and investigated the weapon.
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Fdsa said:

AgWhoop2015 said:

Some of you need to be prepared that he is in this camp... .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers
source? Or are you saying 'just in case'…I agree, right now, I don't trust any motive.


McMinnis and I are both thinking "just in case"

Seriously, if you hold a gun to my head and say:

"A clean cut kid from rural Utah who's a son of a sheriff will go crazy in what direction, left or right?"

I'm gonna say right.
torrid
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Rockdoc said:

I hope we get some meaningful information from the kid other than "he's just crazy". If he didn't act alone, we desperately need to follow that up the chain. This crap needs to stop and people need to be held accountable.

Anybody willing to take another life, for any reason other than to protect themselves or others, by definition must be mentally deficient in some manner. Not the same as not guilty by reason of insanity. But if you have no basic empathy for another person just because they disagree with you, you have serious problems.
BlackLab
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Bella ciao" (Italian pronunciation: [blla tao]) is an Italian song dedicated to the partisans of the Italian resistance, who fought against the occupying troops of Nazi Germany and the collaborationist Fascist forces during the liberation of Italy.
J. Walter Weatherman
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Ryan the Temp said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

FireAg said:

Who?mikejones! said:

Confirmed the writing on the shell casings.

Anti fascist
Pro trans



I heard them read what was on the casings…I'm clearly not educated on such things…what on the casings was "pro trans"?


Seemed like gibberish to me, or potentially some kind of weird inside online jokes.

There was reference made to arrows engraved on the casings pointing different directions as being "pro-trans." As per the press conference, there were five arrows, one up, one right, and three down. This is a reference to dropping a bomb in the video game Helldiver 2.


Ah got it. Yes seemed mostly like typical online trolling language more than anything.
58-7
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Swan Song said:

There was a part of the PC where the Gov discussed a dinner conversation with the perp about how full of hate Kirk was. Doesn't sound very ultra right wing to me?

This
Keyno
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MouthBQ98 said:

Keyno said:

Decay said:

"if you read this, you're gay, LMAO"

Just trollish internet crap

Yeah this one seems anti LGTB


I think it is intended as an insult to whatever law enforcement recovered and investigated the weapon.

Right. If the shooter was pro LGBT, he probably wouldnt use the word "gay" as an insult
RAB87
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AgWhoop2015 said:

Some of you need to be prepared that he is in this camp... .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers
There is literally nothing about the assassin's views that aligns with Fuentes.
uneedastraw
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You are clueless. At a young age, some young adults are incapable of building muscle to fit your little picture of masculinity. It would have taken a monumental effort for me (or even my son) to even attempt to build mass as a teenager or even in my 20's. Didn't prevent either one of us from playing sports. It became a huge blessing in my 30's and 40's as all my similar age colleagues who loved to flaunt how skinny I was in my teens and 20's…Now they're sporting beer guts and fat #&&%$.
Texas 8&4
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texasaggie2015 said:

Maybe I'm the only one who couldn't give less ****s if the shooter was trans, straight, black, white, or whatever.

He's a POS. People dunking on others thinking they're disappointed he's not a certain sexuality or race or whatever is just odd and says a lot about the shape we're in as a society.

I agree with you. He did an evil deed, and should be punished accordingly.

However, I am not sure people are dunking on anyone, more than just surprised at this individual with this background committing this crime.
Cedar Bayou Ag
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The Gov of Utah is effing amazing..
FireAg
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Tergdor said:

Ryan the Temp said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

FireAg said:

Who?mikejones! said:

Confirmed the writing on the shell casings.

Anti fascist
Pro trans



I heard them read what was on the casings…I'm clearly not educated on such things…what on the casings was "pro trans"?


Seemed like gibberish to me, or potentially some kind of weird inside online jokes.

There was reference made to arrows engraved on the casings pointing different directions as being "pro-trans." As per the press conference, there were five arrows, one up, one right, and three down. This is a reference to dropping a bomb in the video game Helldiver 2.
Yep, there was that, too.

The most indicative thing is the bellachow song. Most people do not know what that means. Everything else is either the guy thinking he's funny or could easily be a smokescreen

All very helpful explanations…I had no idea…
KSBogey
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Completely disagree. I've done substantial research over the last 5 years…. people would be absolutely shocked what psychotropic meds can do and how they can change someone completely for the worse. Oh and the studies done to get meds approved don't release full study results to get them passed.

The majority of Americans have no idea about all of this and will be infuriated as more info comes out about them. Infuriated actually.

And this comes from someone who knows first hand unfortunately. These meds affect head to toe, internally and externally, physically, mentally, emotionally, alter hormones, all the while being marketed that they work in isolation to target a 'chemical imbalance' (by the way that was a marketing tactic pushed to prescribers by pharma reps to keep patients for life confirmed by psychiatrists).

The whole body is affected, literally. As many med professionals I've had science backed conversations with, from top American neurologists thru almost every ologist out there as well as many psychiatrists (who realized I had found out info)- admitted psychotropic meds mask symptoms, they don't treat the underlying cause of what someone is experiencing. And the fallout over time from the meds health wise is shocking. GI, heart, pancreas, HPA axis, male/female hormones, liver, blood work gets skewed, skeletal (arthritis, false lupus and MS diagnoses yet some never know), brain, cognitive functions, as I said, head to toe.
Complete personality changes, SI, chemical anxiety, and chemical depression worse than what people had prior to starting them because these meds can cause exactly what they treat…. Especially if someone tries to come off of them . Yet people/their prescribers think it's the underlying condition coming through, so then more meds are added.
Combined when younger people's prefrontal cortex and brains have not been fully developed…. It can be a complete **** show and devastating.









CREAg87
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Sounds like he is a hicklib and John Brown Gun Club type
For my friends everything, for my enemies the law
Keyno
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RAB87 said:

AgWhoop2015 said:

Some of you need to be prepared that he is in this camp... .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers

There is literally nothing about the assassin's views that aligns with Fuentes.

We don't know the assassins views at this point. Fuentes did eulogize Charlie Kirk last night and disavowed all violence.
hammerhead
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Cedar Bayou Ag said:

The Gov of Utah is effing amazing..

was about to post the same.

Impressive
Bottlerocket
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They sure threw the roommate under the bus, and lots of Qs - was he an accomplice? Did he know in advance? Or were the message found after the fact?
JDUB08AG
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So grateful he is both in custody and alive. Had he been killed, committed suicide, or just disappeared, that would have been a terrible situation for this country. Not to mention the idea of his wife and kids to not receive justice and closure, I can't even imagine.
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FireAg said:

I think it's pretty clear from his costume depicting himself riding on Trump like Trump is a mule (ie, the costume is calling Trump an ass) shows he was anti-Trump…

By default, I'm guessing he was anti-CK…

Where I continue to get lost is where people get the notion that Trump is a "fascist"…what does Trump do that makes him a "fascist"? I still don't see it…

Nothing. He is a "fascist" because the media and left pols say he is. That is it. Go watch any of the people that do street interviews, Trump gets called fascist, nazi, racists, etc..... but not a single one of those interviewed can EVER provide an actual example of something he has said or done that makes him those things.
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Quote:

The most indicative thing is the bellachow song. Most people do not know what that means. Everything else is either the guy thinking he's funny or could easily be a smokescreen

O Bella Ciao is a WWII era Italian folk song. Partisans who resisted Mussolini and Hitler (anti fascists) were closely associated with the song's popularity.
AGinHI
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Cedar Bayou Ag said:

The Gov of Utah is effing amazing..

Link?
shiftyandquick
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People want to use his identity (whatever it is) as a political weapon to further their political aims.

Weaponizing the assassination is not what this country needs, but it is 100% guaranteed that it will happen.
Jarrin Jay
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Seems implausible someone would want to murder Kirk as Charlie was not conservative enough. Or not far right enough. Charlie was a constitutionalist and a true conservative, not a RINO. That argument doesn't hold water at all IMHO.
shiphunt
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One of the casings read "if you read this you are gay lmao" but also two with anti-fascist/nazi language/lyrics

This kid's politics are not going to be satisfying for either side of the aisle
RAB83
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AGinHI said:

Cedar Bayou Ag said:

The Gov of Utah is effing amazing..

Link?

On Fox News now
Aggie118
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hammerhead said:

Cedar Bayou Ag said:

The Gov of Utah is effing amazing..

was about to post the same.

Impressive


I would vote for him.
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This kid probably had no hope of ever getting with a decent girl. And there's a lot of boys like that in America these days.

AgDotCom
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shiftyandquick said:

Why are people blaming his college experience for what happened? He went to college in a conservative Utah public university filled with Mormons, the vast majority of whom support Trump and MAGA.

You could hardly be in a more conservative University in the entire United States.

Exhibit "A": Baylor
UntoldSpirit
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What we appear to have hear is a radicalized young man from a respectable American family. It is my belief that this problem is much more serious than many understand or believe and I hope it wakes people up.

It's much harder to assure your kids are safe from radicalization than you think. The education system, frankly, is just too dangerous for you to hand over your kids to them. Protecting our kids is harder than ever.
 
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