It was my understanding it was a relic Mauser 98 which would have used 8mm ammo, not the modern Mauser 98 which uses 30.06 ammo. Am I missing something?
Charlie Kirk Assassination Man Hunt Updates & Speculation[Staff Edit]
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Orem police chief said it was a WW1 bolt action with a $2,000+ scope.
It is reported to be a 98 that had been sporterized and rebarreled in 30-06. Basically, a Mauser action.
MS08 said:TexasAggie_97 said:AggieZUUL said:Hungry said:
As a result of hate, a kid smart enough to earn a significant scholarship, and a presumably a supportive family, will spend the rest of his life in a maximum security prison, and a influential political star is gone, leaving behind a wife and two kids. For what? Sad, sad state of affairs in this country
Im pretty sure a dirt nap is in this kid's future.
I don't think so. I imagine his wife Erika will speak to the judge and jury after he is convicted and ask for him to not be given the death penalty. Charlie and Erika are Christians, and I believe that she will forgive him and ask for him to get life in prison instead. I may be wrong about this, but I don't think I will be.
FWIW: Charlie did have a change of opinion on the death penalty recently though. He became to be for it.
Erika Kirk has publicly opposed the death penalty for Tyler Robinson, her husband's alleged killer, due to her evangelical Christian beliefs. She stated, "I do not want that man's blood on my ledger," emphasizing that seeking vengeance could jeopardize her spiritual reunion with her late husband in heaven. This perspective reflects her theological reasoning and underscores her reliance on faith to navigate the tragedy.
TexasAggie_97 said:MS08 said:TexasAggie_97 said:AggieZUUL said:Hungry said:
As a result of hate, a kid smart enough to earn a significant scholarship, and a presumably a supportive family, will spend the rest of his life in a maximum security prison, and a influential political star is gone, leaving behind a wife and two kids. For what? Sad, sad state of affairs in this country
Im pretty sure a dirt nap is in this kid's future.
I don't think so. I imagine his wife Erika will speak to the judge and jury after he is convicted and ask for him to not be given the death penalty. Charlie and Erika are Christians, and I believe that she will forgive him and ask for him to get life in prison instead. I may be wrong about this, but I don't think I will be.
FWIW: Charlie did have a change of opinion on the death penalty recently though. He became to be for it.
Erika Kirk has publicly opposed the death penalty for Tyler Robinson, her husband's alleged killer, due to her evangelical Christian beliefs. She stated, "I do not want that man's blood on my ledger," emphasizing that seeking vengeance could jeopardize her spiritual reunion with her late husband in heaven. This perspective reflects her theological reasoning and underscores her reliance on faith to navigate the tragedy.
Weird.. the death penalty is biblically based.
TexasAggie_97 said:MS08 said:TexasAggie_97 said:AggieZUUL said:Hungry said:
As a result of hate, a kid smart enough to earn a significant scholarship, and a presumably a supportive family, will spend the rest of his life in a maximum security prison, and a influential political star is gone, leaving behind a wife and two kids. For what? Sad, sad state of affairs in this country
Im pretty sure a dirt nap is in this kid's future.
I don't think so. I imagine his wife Erika will speak to the judge and jury after he is convicted and ask for him to not be given the death penalty. Charlie and Erika are Christians, and I believe that she will forgive him and ask for him to get life in prison instead. I may be wrong about this, but I don't think I will be.
FWIW: Charlie did have a change of opinion on the death penalty recently though. He became to be for it.
Erika Kirk has publicly opposed the death penalty for Tyler Robinson, her husband's alleged killer, due to her evangelical Christian beliefs. She stated, "I do not want that man's blood on my ledger," emphasizing that seeking vengeance could jeopardize her spiritual reunion with her late husband in heaven. This perspective reflects her theological reasoning and underscores her reliance on faith to navigate the tragedy.
Not saying that Charlie would advocate or bang on the table for the death penalty in this situation. I am not in the position to make that decision. Just heard him talk about how his stance had changed on it in one of his clips - that is all.
I am sorry if I somehow missed it, but what is this stuff about "no exit wound" and where is it coming from? Did the coroner confirm the bullet never came out? are they saying the left side of his neck, where all of the blood poured out from, was the ENTRY wound?
MS08 said:TexasAggie_97 said:MS08 said:TexasAggie_97 said:AggieZUUL said:Hungry said:
As a result of hate, a kid smart enough to earn a significant scholarship, and a presumably a supportive family, will spend the rest of his life in a maximum security prison, and a influential political star is gone, leaving behind a wife and two kids. For what? Sad, sad state of affairs in this country
Im pretty sure a dirt nap is in this kid's future.
I don't think so. I imagine his wife Erika will speak to the judge and jury after he is convicted and ask for him to not be given the death penalty. Charlie and Erika are Christians, and I believe that she will forgive him and ask for him to get life in prison instead. I may be wrong about this, but I don't think I will be.
FWIW: Charlie did have a change of opinion on the death penalty recently though. He became to be for it.
Erika Kirk has publicly opposed the death penalty for Tyler Robinson, her husband's alleged killer, due to her evangelical Christian beliefs. She stated, "I do not want that man's blood on my ledger," emphasizing that seeking vengeance could jeopardize her spiritual reunion with her late husband in heaven. This perspective reflects her theological reasoning and underscores her reliance on faith to navigate the tragedy.
Not saying that Charlie would advocate or bang on the table for the death penalty in this situation. I am not in the position to make that decision. Just heard him talk about how his stance had changed on it in one of his clips - that is all.
I think the people / sheriff / governor of Utah want him gone - and will seek the death penalty per the governor- it was embarrassing for that small state. Not sure how they will do it but the guy that did this has some issues
Aggies1322 said:TexasAggie_97 said:MS08 said:TexasAggie_97 said:AggieZUUL said:Hungry said:
As a result of hate, a kid smart enough to earn a significant scholarship, and a presumably a supportive family, will spend the rest of his life in a maximum security prison, and a influential political star is gone, leaving behind a wife and two kids. For what? Sad, sad state of affairs in this country
Im pretty sure a dirt nap is in this kid's future.
I don't think so. I imagine his wife Erika will speak to the judge and jury after he is convicted and ask for him to not be given the death penalty. Charlie and Erika are Christians, and I believe that she will forgive him and ask for him to get life in prison instead. I may be wrong about this, but I don't think I will be.
FWIW: Charlie did have a change of opinion on the death penalty recently though. He became to be for it.
Erika Kirk has publicly opposed the death penalty for Tyler Robinson, her husband's alleged killer, due to her evangelical Christian beliefs. She stated, "I do not want that man's blood on my ledger," emphasizing that seeking vengeance could jeopardize her spiritual reunion with her late husband in heaven. This perspective reflects her theological reasoning and underscores her reliance on faith to navigate the tragedy.
Weird.. the death penalty is biblically based.
True but the New Testament focused more on mercy and forgiveness. This world we be so much better off if we actually followed Christ's teachings and loved our neighbor as we love ourselves.
Jesus' Teachings on Mercy and Forgiveness
- In John 8:111, Jesus intervenes in the case of a woman caught in adultery, a crime punishable by death under Mosaic Law. He says, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her." This is often interpreted as a call for mercy and self-reflection rather than judgment.
- Jesus frequently taught forgiveness and love for enemies (e.g., Matthew 5:3848), which challenges retributive justice.
Aggies1322 said:
Weird.. the death penalty is biblically based.
Where does it say that? Not trying to contradict or say you are wrong, I just haven't seen that stated and am curious where you see that.
Aggies1322 said:TexasAggie_97 said:MS08 said:TexasAggie_97 said:AggieZUUL said:Hungry said:
As a result of hate, a kid smart enough to earn a significant scholarship, and a presumably a supportive family, will spend the rest of his life in a maximum security prison, and a influential political star is gone, leaving behind a wife and two kids. For what? Sad, sad state of affairs in this country
Im pretty sure a dirt nap is in this kid's future.
I don't think so. I imagine his wife Erika will speak to the judge and jury after he is convicted and ask for him to not be given the death penalty. Charlie and Erika are Christians, and I believe that she will forgive him and ask for him to get life in prison instead. I may be wrong about this, but I don't think I will be.
FWIW: Charlie did have a change of opinion on the death penalty recently though. He became to be for it.
Erika Kirk has publicly opposed the death penalty for Tyler Robinson, her husband's alleged killer, due to her evangelical Christian beliefs. She stated, "I do not want that man's blood on my ledger," emphasizing that seeking vengeance could jeopardize her spiritual reunion with her late husband in heaven. This perspective reflects her theological reasoning and underscores her reliance on faith to navigate the tragedy.
Weird.. the death penalty is biblically based.
Yep, and a lot of Christians overlook that.
She has the right to forgive him, but justice is far different than vengeance/revenge.
God can forgive him as well if he repents. However, he still has to pay for his crime in this life, and the Bible is very clear that murder is one of the most serious, if not the most, affronts to God and the penalty for murder is death.
In fact the first command God ever gave man when it came to any kind of law or legal system is in Genesis 9:6.
"Whoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood shall be shed; For in the image of God He made man."
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
TexasAggie_97 said:Aggies1322 said:TexasAggie_97 said:MS08 said:TexasAggie_97 said:AggieZUUL said:Hungry said:
As a result of hate, a kid smart enough to earn a significant scholarship, and a presumably a supportive family, will spend the rest of his life in a maximum security prison, and a influential political star is gone, leaving behind a wife and two kids. For what? Sad, sad state of affairs in this country
Im pretty sure a dirt nap is in this kid's future.
I don't think so. I imagine his wife Erika will speak to the judge and jury after he is convicted and ask for him to not be given the death penalty. Charlie and Erika are Christians, and I believe that she will forgive him and ask for him to get life in prison instead. I may be wrong about this, but I don't think I will be.
FWIW: Charlie did have a change of opinion on the death penalty recently though. He became to be for it.
Erika Kirk has publicly opposed the death penalty for Tyler Robinson, her husband's alleged killer, due to her evangelical Christian beliefs. She stated, "I do not want that man's blood on my ledger," emphasizing that seeking vengeance could jeopardize her spiritual reunion with her late husband in heaven. This perspective reflects her theological reasoning and underscores her reliance on faith to navigate the tragedy.
Weird.. the death penalty is biblically based.
True but the New Testament focused more on mercy and forgiveness. This world we be so much better off if we actually followed Christ's teachings and loved our neighbor as we love ourselves.
Jesus' Teachings on Mercy and Forgiveness
- In John 8:111, Jesus intervenes in the case of a woman caught in adultery, a crime punishable by death under Mosaic Law. He says, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her." This is often interpreted as a call for mercy and self-reflection rather than judgment.
- Jesus frequently taught forgiveness and love for enemies (e.g., Matthew 5:3848), which challenges retributive justice.
There is a difference between the individual Christian being called to offer mercy and grace versus the government doling out justice.
TheMemeGuy said:Aggies1322 said:
Weird.. the death penalty is biblically based.
Where does it say that? Not trying to contradict or say you are wrong, I just haven't seen that stated and am curious where you see that.
You might peruse this link or look up commentary as to 'lex talionis' otherwise.
Quote:
Justice in God's eyes requires that the response to an offensewhether against God or against humanitybe proportionate. The lex talionis ("law of the talion") served as a restraint, a limitation, to ensure the punishment would be no greater than the crime. Yet implied therein is a standardthat the punishment should be at least as great as the crime. One frequently finds among Christians the belief that Jesus's so-called "love-ethic" sets aside the "law of the talion." To the contrary, Jesus affirms the divine basis of Old Testament ethics. Nowhere does he set aside all requirements of civil law. Further, it leads to a perversion of legal justice to confuse the sphere of private relations with that of civil law. While the thief on the cross found pardon in the sight of God ("Today you will be with me in paradise"), the pardon didn't extend to eliminating the consequences of his crime ("We are being justly punished, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds").
"What about mercy?" one may be inclined to ask. My response is simple. There can be no mercy where justice is not satisfied. Justice entails receiving what we in fact deserve; we did in fact know better. Mercy is not receiving what we deserve. To be punished, however severely, because we indeed deserve it, as C. S. Lewis observed, is to be treated with dignity as human beings created in God's image. Conversely, to abandon the criteria of righteous and just punishment, as Lewis also pointed out, is to abandon all criteria for punishment. Indeed, mercy extended to offenders whose guilt is certain yet ignored creates a moral travesty that, over time, helps pave the way for collapse of the entire social order.
This is essentially the argument of Romans 13. Romans 12concludes with a proscription of personal retribution, yet Paul immediately follows this with a divinely instituted prescription for punishing moral evil. It is for eminently social reasons that "the authorities" are to wield the sword, the ius gladii: due to human depravity and the need for moral-social order, the civil magistrate punishes criminal behavior. The implication of Romans 13 is that by not punishing moral evil, authorities aren't performing their God-appointed responsibility in society. Paul's teaching in Romans 13 squares with his experience. Testifying before Festus, he certifies: "If . . . I am guilty of doing anything deserving death, I do not refuse to die" (Acts 25:11).
While Christ's love ethic is a debatable contradiction vs. Old Testament biblical views as to punishment by the state, I don't think per above (more at the link) He truly taught that the death penalty is wrong.
Thanks! I will take a gander at this tonight when I am home.
A Net Full of Jello said:TexasAggie_97 said:Aggies1322 said:TexasAggie_97 said:MS08 said:TexasAggie_97 said:AggieZUUL said:Hungry said:
As a result of hate, a kid smart enough to earn a significant scholarship, and a presumably a supportive family, will spend the rest of his life in a maximum security prison, and a influential political star is gone, leaving behind a wife and two kids. For what? Sad, sad state of affairs in this country
Im pretty sure a dirt nap is in this kid's future.
I don't think so. I imagine his wife Erika will speak to the judge and jury after he is convicted and ask for him to not be given the death penalty. Charlie and Erika are Christians, and I believe that she will forgive him and ask for him to get life in prison instead. I may be wrong about this, but I don't think I will be.
FWIW: Charlie did have a change of opinion on the death penalty recently though. He became to be for it.
Erika Kirk has publicly opposed the death penalty for Tyler Robinson, her husband's alleged killer, due to her evangelical Christian beliefs. She stated, "I do not want that man's blood on my ledger," emphasizing that seeking vengeance could jeopardize her spiritual reunion with her late husband in heaven. This perspective reflects her theological reasoning and underscores her reliance on faith to navigate the tragedy.
Weird.. the death penalty is biblically based.
True but the New Testament focused more on mercy and forgiveness. This world we be so much better off if we actually followed Christ's teachings and loved our neighbor as we love ourselves.
Jesus' Teachings on Mercy and Forgiveness
- In John 8:111, Jesus intervenes in the case of a woman caught in adultery, a crime punishable by death under Mosaic Law. He says, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her." This is often interpreted as a call for mercy and self-reflection rather than judgment.
- Jesus frequently taught forgiveness and love for enemies (e.g., Matthew 5:3848), which challenges retributive justice.
There is a difference between the individual Christian being called to offer mercy and grace versus the government doling out justice.
True but do you not believe that the government should not listen to the victim's family and seek their input on punishment? If she believes it is morally wrong, and she was the most impacted by her husband's death then should the government not take her wishes in to account?
Besides putting him in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day with no human interaction for the rest of his life would likely be a harsher punishment especially if it comes with nothing but books to read and bland food and water.
You absolutely have to kill this it to send a message political violence is not tolerated.
TexasAggie_97 said:Aggies1322 said:TexasAggie_97 said:MS08 said:TexasAggie_97 said:AggieZUUL said:Hungry said:
As a result of hate, a kid smart enough to earn a significant scholarship, and a presumably a supportive family, will spend the rest of his life in a maximum security prison, and a influential political star is gone, leaving behind a wife and two kids. For what? Sad, sad state of affairs in this country
Im pretty sure a dirt nap is in this kid's future.
I don't think so. I imagine his wife Erika will speak to the judge and jury after he is convicted and ask for him to not be given the death penalty. Charlie and Erika are Christians, and I believe that she will forgive him and ask for him to get life in prison instead. I may be wrong about this, but I don't think I will be.
FWIW: Charlie did have a change of opinion on the death penalty recently though. He became to be for it.
Erika Kirk has publicly opposed the death penalty for Tyler Robinson, her husband's alleged killer, due to her evangelical Christian beliefs. She stated, "I do not want that man's blood on my ledger," emphasizing that seeking vengeance could jeopardize her spiritual reunion with her late husband in heaven. This perspective reflects her theological reasoning and underscores her reliance on faith to navigate the tragedy.
Weird.. the death penalty is biblically based.
True but the New Testament focused more on mercy and forgiveness. This world we be so much better off if we actually followed Christ's teachings and loved our neighbor as we love ourselves.
Jesus' Teachings on Mercy and Forgiveness
- In John 8:111, Jesus intervenes in the case of a woman caught in adultery, a crime punishable by death under Mosaic Law. He says, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her." This is often interpreted as a call for mercy and self-reflection rather than judgment.
- Jesus frequently taught forgiveness and love for enemies (e.g., Matthew 5:3848), which challenges retributive justice.
That's very true. Mercy and forgiveness are compatible with the death penalty. He has been forgiven by Erika. However, the death penalty is requisite to remove people from society who are incompatible with society.
Also, just an aside - the verse from John is not actually in the Bible. It was a scribal addition in the 2nd or 3rd century. The earliest manuscripts don't include it.
But generally I agree with your sentiment, forgive and love. However, society still needs to remove people who are incompatible.
TexasAggie_97 said:A Net Full of Jello said:TexasAggie_97 said:Aggies1322 said:TexasAggie_97 said:MS08 said:TexasAggie_97 said:AggieZUUL said:Hungry said:
As a result of hate, a kid smart enough to earn a significant scholarship, and a presumably a supportive family, will spend the rest of his life in a maximum security prison, and a influential political star is gone, leaving behind a wife and two kids. For what? Sad, sad state of affairs in this country
Im pretty sure a dirt nap is in this kid's future.
I don't think so. I imagine his wife Erika will speak to the judge and jury after he is convicted and ask for him to not be given the death penalty. Charlie and Erika are Christians, and I believe that she will forgive him and ask for him to get life in prison instead. I may be wrong about this, but I don't think I will be.
FWIW: Charlie did have a change of opinion on the death penalty recently though. He became to be for it.
Erika Kirk has publicly opposed the death penalty for Tyler Robinson, her husband's alleged killer, due to her evangelical Christian beliefs. She stated, "I do not want that man's blood on my ledger," emphasizing that seeking vengeance could jeopardize her spiritual reunion with her late husband in heaven. This perspective reflects her theological reasoning and underscores her reliance on faith to navigate the tragedy.
Weird.. the death penalty is biblically based.
True but the New Testament focused more on mercy and forgiveness. This world we be so much better off if we actually followed Christ's teachings and loved our neighbor as we love ourselves.
Jesus' Teachings on Mercy and Forgiveness
- In John 8:111, Jesus intervenes in the case of a woman caught in adultery, a crime punishable by death under Mosaic Law. He says, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her." This is often interpreted as a call for mercy and self-reflection rather than judgment.
- Jesus frequently taught forgiveness and love for enemies (e.g., Matthew 5:3848), which challenges retributive justice.
There is a difference between the individual Christian being called to offer mercy and grace versus the government doling out justice.
True but do you not believe that the government should not listen to the victim's family and seek their input on punishment? If she believes it is morally wrong, and she was the most impacted by her husband's death then should the government not take her wishes in to account?
Besides putting him in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day with no human interaction for the rest of his life would likely be a harsher punishment especially if it comes with nothing but books to read and bland food and water.
Perhaps she believes that she can forgive him, and the government should fulfill its role of enforcing the laws, including punishment for violating those laws. Forgiveness doesn't necessarily mean absolution of the consequences.
Apollo79 said:
You absolutely have to kill this it to send a message political violence is not tolerated.
But the message will not be received. People already know it's wrong and they will be held accountable. Also, the death penalty has been shown to NOT be a deterrent to homicide.
A Net Full of Jello said:TexasAggie_97 said:A Net Full of Jello said:TexasAggie_97 said:Aggies1322 said:TexasAggie_97 said:MS08 said:TexasAggie_97 said:AggieZUUL said:Hungry said:
As a result of hate, a kid smart enough to earn a significant scholarship, and a presumably a supportive family, will spend the rest of his life in a maximum security prison, and a influential political star is gone, leaving behind a wife and two kids. For what? Sad, sad state of affairs in this country
Im pretty sure a dirt nap is in this kid's future.
I don't think so. I imagine his wife Erika will speak to the judge and jury after he is convicted and ask for him to not be given the death penalty. Charlie and Erika are Christians, and I believe that she will forgive him and ask for him to get life in prison instead. I may be wrong about this, but I don't think I will be.
FWIW: Charlie did have a change of opinion on the death penalty recently though. He became to be for it.
Erika Kirk has publicly opposed the death penalty for Tyler Robinson, her husband's alleged killer, due to her evangelical Christian beliefs. She stated, "I do not want that man's blood on my ledger," emphasizing that seeking vengeance could jeopardize her spiritual reunion with her late husband in heaven. This perspective reflects her theological reasoning and underscores her reliance on faith to navigate the tragedy.
Weird.. the death penalty is biblically based.
True but the New Testament focused more on mercy and forgiveness. This world we be so much better off if we actually followed Christ's teachings and loved our neighbor as we love ourselves.
Jesus' Teachings on Mercy and Forgiveness
- In John 8:111, Jesus intervenes in the case of a woman caught in adultery, a crime punishable by death under Mosaic Law. He says, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her." This is often interpreted as a call for mercy and self-reflection rather than judgment.
- Jesus frequently taught forgiveness and love for enemies (e.g., Matthew 5:3848), which challenges retributive justice.
There is a difference between the individual Christian being called to offer mercy and grace versus the government doling out justice.
True but do you not believe that the government should not listen to the victim's family and seek their input on punishment? If she believes it is morally wrong, and she was the most impacted by her husband's death then should the government not take her wishes in to account?
Besides putting him in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day with no human interaction for the rest of his life would likely be a harsher punishment especially if it comes with nothing but books to read and bland food and water.
Perhaps she believes that she can forgive him, and the government should fulfill its role of enforcing the laws, including punishment for violating those laws. Forgiveness doesn't necessarily mean absolution of the consequences.
True and to be honest if somebody had done this to my kids or wife, they would have to pray that the police got them before me, and I like to consider myself a good Christian.
The biggest spiritual problem with capital punishment is that it negates the possibility of conversion.
In my opinion, Capital Punishment should only be used in public defense, not revenge. If it is determined that this person is very likely to kill again and there is no other legal way to prevent it, then capital punishment should be used. Otherwise, we should keep them incarcerated and give them the opportunity to repent.
In my opinion, Capital Punishment should only be used in public defense, not revenge. If it is determined that this person is very likely to kill again and there is no other legal way to prevent it, then capital punishment should be used. Otherwise, we should keep them incarcerated and give them the opportunity to repent.
People of integrity expect to be believed, when they're not, they let time prove them right.
Dad-O-Lot said:
The biggest spiritual problem with capital punishment is that it negates the possibility of conversion.
In my opinion, Capital Punishment should only be used in public defense, not revenge. If it is determined that this person is very likely to kill again and there is no other legal way to prevent it, then capital punishment should be used. Otherwise, we should keep them incarcerated and give them the opportunity to repent.
No it doesn't.. he has had 2 weeks to repent at this point.
He will have many more weeks before trial, more weeks during trial, more weeks between trial and death sentence being carried out. I hope he repents and comes to know Christ as his savior. But pretending like he isn't going to get like 2-3 years (at least) to do so, is crazy imo.
Isn't Erika Kirk a catholic? Once again, people find out the Catholic Church exists and has specific stances on issues.
TexasAggie_97 said:MS08 said:TexasAggie_97 said:AggieZUUL said:Hungry said:
As a result of hate, a kid smart enough to earn a significant scholarship, and a presumably a supportive family, will spend the rest of his life in a maximum security prison, and a influential political star is gone, leaving behind a wife and two kids. For what? Sad, sad state of affairs in this country
Im pretty sure a dirt nap is in this kid's future.
I don't think so. I imagine his wife Erika will speak to the judge and jury after he is convicted and ask for him to not be given the death penalty. Charlie and Erika are Christians, and I believe that she will forgive him and ask for him to get life in prison instead. I may be wrong about this, but I don't think I will be.
FWIW: Charlie did have a change of opinion on the death penalty recently though. He became to be for it.
Erika Kirk has publicly opposed the death penalty for Tyler Robinson, her husband's alleged killer, due to her evangelical Christian beliefs. She stated, "I do not want that man's blood on my ledger," emphasizing that seeking vengeance could jeopardize her spiritual reunion with her late husband in heaven. This perspective reflects her theological reasoning and underscores her reliance on faith to navigate the tragedy.
This is not at all what I read her say. What I read as her position to be, was she was going to leave it up to the Government and that she was not going to comment on it, not wanting it on her ledger as an eye for an eye.
As for Biblical texts on punishment for murder....but none of them in the NT.
Key Verses on Capital Punishment for Taking a Life
- Leviticus 24:17: "Anyone who takes the life of a human being is to be put to death".[url=https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-about-killing/][/url]
- Genesis 9:6: "Whoever sheds man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God He made man".[url=https://biblehub.com/leviticus/24-17.htm][/url]
- Exodus 21:12: "He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death".[url=https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=simple&format=Long&q1=put+to+death&restrict=All&size=First+100][/url]
- Numbers 35:16-18: "And if he smite him with an instrument of iron, so that he die, he is a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death. And if he smite him with throwing a stone, wherewith he may die, and he die, he is a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death".[url=https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=simple&format=Long&q1=put+to+death&restrict=All&size=First+100][/url]
- Deuteronomy 19:11-13: This passage also addresses the murderer being put to death, ensuring that blood guilt is purged from among the people.[url=https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=simple&format=Long&q1=put+to+death&restrict=All&size=First+100][/url]
- Deuteronomy 32:39: While not specifically about capital punishment, this verse affirms God's sole authority over life and death: "It is I who put to death and give life...".
Fun facts, penitentiaries were originally so-named for their purpose of creating christian penitence among their prisoners.
The first one in America wound up housing Al Capone, eventually (Before being closed).
The first one in America wound up housing Al Capone, eventually (Before being closed).
I have seen a couple of clips where he states if you have purposely taken a life then your life should be taken as well.
Aggies1322 said:Dad-O-Lot said:
The biggest spiritual problem with capital punishment is that it negates the possibility of conversion.
In my opinion, Capital Punishment should only be used in public defense, not revenge. If it is determined that this person is very likely to kill again and there is no other legal way to prevent it, then capital punishment should be used. Otherwise, we should keep them incarcerated and give them the opportunity to repent.
No it doesn't.. he has had 2 weeks to repent at this point.
He will have many more weeks before trial, more weeks during trial, more weeks between trial and death sentence being carried out. I hope he repents and comes to know Christ as his savior. But pretending like he isn't going to get like 2-3 years (at least) to do so, is crazy imo.
as others have suggested in either this thread or others, put him in a room full of charlie kirk videos; he may convert sooner than that!
I get that we have no right to up to the minute news and we've been lucky to get that in the first week after the shooting, but I really hope the feeling of a slowing momentum isn't leading us to another quick memory hole. Still blows my mind how quickly the memory hole opened up after the Butler attempt.
TheMemeGuy said:Aggies1322 said:
Weird.. the death penalty is biblically based.
Where does it say that? Not trying to contradict or say you are wrong, I just haven't seen that stated and am curious where you see that.
Genesis 9:6 Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.
Megyn Kelly said that they are investigating 7 other people for their potential involvement.
BadMoonRisin said:
Megyn Kelly said that they are investigating 7 other people for their potential involvement.
I saw that video but couldn't tell if it was real or AI
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I am sorry if I somehow missed it, but what is this stuff about "no exit wound" and where is it coming from? Did the coroner confirm the bullet never came out? are they saying the left side of his neck, where all of the blood poured out from, was the ENTRY wound?
Yes, let's focus on this for a while.
Where is the bullet? Has that been asked? Dan, does the FBI have possession of the bullet and does it match the rifle?
1 million out of 1 million 30.06 rounds fired into a human neck from 200 yds. would leave total chaos and most definitely would have an entry and an exit.
I shoot an M1 Garand and this is a 30.06 round with less gun powder (truly the only negative about the rifle, well the weight but it is oldschool). Just saying that round would have removed CK's dome. That sounds awful so please forgive me, but to have this discussion there is reality.
Can anyone chime in suggesting something different about this 30.06 round? If I am wrong, why?
I believe this is her correct response. She said it was up to the government but that she wasn't calling for his execution.
I actually had the same thought. It did look AI generated.
I haven't taken her comments to mean she is opposed to it. I took them to mean she isn't going to advocate for it, but if it happens, it happens.
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