Charlie Kirk Assassination Man Hunt Updates & Speculation[Staff Edit]

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In reply to AgResearch • 2:24p, 9/16/25
AgResearch said:
FireAg said:
Rockdoc said:
aginlakeway said:
Robinson is toast.

Shame it will drag on for years. Hope the jury does the right thing.

I'm honestly not convinced he will not plead guilty…

My guess is his attorney will approach the DA with a plea of guilty in exchange for life without parole…


No way a DA offers any deal in this case. Complete slam dunk.

DA's in deep red states like Utah would do anything for a death penalty case as slam dunk as this. No way he is interested in a plea deal.
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In reply to Omperlodge • 2:24p, 9/16/25
Omperlodge said:
FireAg said:
Rockdoc said:
aginlakeway said:
Robinson is toast.

Shame it will drag on for years. Hope the jury does the right thing.

I'm honestly not convinced he will not plead guilty…

My guess is his attorney will approach the DA with a plea of guilty in exchange for life without parole…

You can't plead guilty to the death penalty.

I know it's extremely rare, but do you have a link saying it's impossible to do so?
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In reply to Texas 8&4 • 2:25p, 9/16/25
Texas 8&4 said:
Question here. If the Feds decide to pursue charges, do those charges supersede the state charges? How would this effect the death penalty? My understanding is that Trump reinstated the death penalty(?), but my concern is they do away with it later and he doesn't get executed at all. I know that is a lot of rambling, but hopefully you guys understand what I am getting at.

Would have no effect on the state charges as they're considered completely separate under "dual sovereignty".

This is why the states and feds can try you for the exact same crime, and even if found not guilty in one jurisdiction, you can be found guilty in the other.

Even if the feds did away with the death penalty later for all federal crimes, it would not impact the state conviction and punishment.
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In reply to Rapier108 • 2:26p, 9/16/25
Great Thanks!
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In reply to fc2112 • 2:26p, 9/16/25
fc2112 said:
AgResearch said:
FireAg said:
Rockdoc said:
aginlakeway said:
Robinson is toast.

Shame it will drag on for years. Hope the jury does the right thing.

I'm honestly not convinced he will not plead guilty…

My guess is his attorney will approach the DA with a plea of guilty in exchange for life without parole…


No way a DA offers any deal in this case. Complete slam dunk.

DA's in deep red states like Utah would do anything for a death penalty case as slam dunk as this. No way he is interested in a plea deal.

Even if the widow comes out and says she would prefer such a deal?

I'm not saying she would…but absolutes can come back to bite you…
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In reply to FireAg • 2:27p, 9/16/25
FireAg said:
Omperlodge said:
FireAg said:
Rockdoc said:
aginlakeway said:
Robinson is toast.

Shame it will drag on for years. Hope the jury does the right thing.

I'm honestly not convinced he will not plead guilty…

My guess is his attorney will approach the DA with a plea of guilty in exchange for life without parole…

You can't plead guilty to the death penalty.

I know it's extremely rare, but do you have a link saying it's impossible to do so?

I literally just saw a post in last 24 hours of another Trans in Utah who wanted to plead to death penalty

I bet it's the same groups that were running Tyler Robinson and led by that Cuban Communist leader
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In reply to TAMUallen • 2:28p, 9/16/25
TAMUallen said:
FireAg said:
I know why the trans boyfriend flipped so quickly…he wanted no part of being implicated as having been a party to the murder…


I mean in text messages Tyler instructed him to lawyer up and not talk.

Im not sure that he is innocent like portrayed.

Everybody knows that texts dont just disappear because you delete them.

He knew of carved bullet casings.

The text message discussion, which hopefully we will have word for word, seems a bit off and staged IMO


we do know for a FACT now that Tyler Robinson told his boyfriend that HE murdered Kirk shortly afterward

so the Trans boyfriend DID NOT CONTACT THE POLICE for at least 31 hours!
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In reply to FireAg • 2:30p, 9/16/25
FireAg said:
TAMUallen said:
FireAg said:
I know why the trans boyfriend flipped so quickly…he wanted no part of being implicated as having been a party to the murder…


But did he flip quickly? Still foggy on the timeline.

If he didn't instantly rat him out when he knew then he at least has to receive some charges

I hear you…my guess is that he will granted a great deal of grace for cooperating so quickly…unless they can find things related to him specifically that proves he knew what his boyfriend was going to do before he did it…

not so fast my friend

you can be an ACCESSORY AFTER THE FACT to capital murder

the trans boyfriend knew within an hour or two of the assassination that Robinson did it.

and did not tell the police for more than a day, and never told the police.
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In reply to FireAg • 2:32p, 9/16/25
FireAg said:
fc2112 said:
AgResearch said:
FireAg said:
Rockdoc said:
aginlakeway said:
Robinson is toast.

Shame it will drag on for years. Hope the jury does the right thing.

I'm honestly not convinced he will not plead guilty…

My guess is his attorney will approach the DA with a plea of guilty in exchange for life without parole…


No way a DA offers any deal in this case. Complete slam dunk.

DA's in deep red states like Utah would do anything for a death penalty case as slam dunk as this. No way he is interested in a plea deal.

Even if the widow comes out and says she would prefer such a deal?

I'm not saying she would…but absolutes can come back to bite you…

That would be the only way they should allow a plea. If Erika Kirk would prefer that, then fine. She is the only person who has the right to make that request.
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In reply to Texas 8&4 • 2:32p, 9/16/25
Texas 8&4 said:
Question here. If the Feds decide to pursue charges, do those charges supersede the state charges? How would this effect the death penalty? My understanding is that Trump reinstated the death penalty(?), but my concern is they do away with it later and he doesn't get executed at all. I know that is a lot of rambling, but hopefully you guys understand what I am getting at.


Yes, just as in the Luigi case the Federal charges will run independent of state charges.

I am sure the US District Attorney will prosecute Robinson if they feel that the local Utah DA is either not qualified or not going for the death penalty

Federalism allows both state and national laws in certain crimes.
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In reply to TAMUallen • 2:33p, 9/16/25
TAMUallen said:
FireAg said:
I know why the trans boyfriend flipped so quickly…he wanted no part of being implicated as having been a party to the murder…


I mean in text messages Tyler instructed him to lawyer up and not talk.

Im not sure that he is innocent like portrayed.

Everybody knows that texts dont just disappear because you delete them.

He knew of carved bullet casings.

The text message discussion, which hopefully we will have word for word, seems a bit off and staged IMO


Word for word. Boyfriend was interviewed by FBI 'aggressively' apparently. He caved, clearly (around 31 hours later vs. shooting).
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2:34p, 9/16/25
Yes, just like Nicholas Cruz in Florida he can plead guilty and just have a penalty phase trial.

My guess is that is what will happen unless there is a deal in place for life in prison.

His attorneys will try to move it somewhere else, preferably (for them) to the liberal enclave in Salt Lake City.
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In reply to FireAg • 2:34p, 9/16/25
FireAg said:
Omperlodge said:
FireAg said:
Rockdoc said:
aginlakeway said:
Robinson is toast.

Shame it will drag on for years. Hope the jury does the right thing.

I'm honestly not convinced he will not plead guilty…

My guess is his attorney will approach the DA with a plea of guilty in exchange for life without parole…

You can't plead guilty to the death penalty.

I know it's extremely rare, but do you have a link saying it's impossible to do so?

I probably shouldn't have said impossible. Just problematic. They have to overrule the advice of counsel and this opens up appeal options that the first judge has to be very careful to work around. You will see the judge ask very detailed questions like you do understand that if you plead guilty you may still get the death penalty and you are not following the advice of counsel in this plea. The entire thing questions the defendant's sanity which any judge is going to want to avoid.
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In reply to Aggie521 • 2:36p, 9/16/25
Aggie521 said:
Wait is she a he or is he a she? What?


Ermiya was born a male and is now "female"

Robinsons' "girlfriend" was born a man and is transitioning to "female"
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In reply to nortex97 • 2:39p, 9/16/25
nortex97 said:
TAMUallen said:
FireAg said:
I know why the trans boyfriend flipped so quickly…he wanted no part of being implicated as having been a party to the murder…


I mean in text messages Tyler instructed him to lawyer up and not talk.

Im not sure that he is innocent like portrayed.

Everybody knows that texts dont just disappear because you delete them.

He knew of carved bullet casings.

The text message discussion, which hopefully we will have word for word, seems a bit off and staged IMO


Word for word. Boyfriend was interviewed by FBI 'aggressively' apparently. He caved, clearly (around 31 hours later vs. shooting).


That whole thing stinks to high heaven for me. Clearly a crazy Robinson but trans furry lover roommate is calm as can be... doesnt say or ask much. There have to be other communications between them if they were lovers, he acted because of his love for trans and they freaking lived together
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2:40p, 9/16/25
going to be hard for the leftists to keep gaslighting that Robinson was MAGA after everyone sees his love affair with his boyfriend...

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In reply to nortex97 • 2:40p, 9/16/25
They text conversation doesn't seem very real.
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In reply to Waffledynamics • 2:42p, 9/16/25
Waffledynamics said:
They text conversation doesn't seem very real.

I had the same thought. I believe Robinson did it 100% but if I was into gov't conspiracies, that conversation seems very phony.
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In reply to Waffledynamics • 2:43p, 9/16/25
Waffledynamics said:
They text conversation doesn't seem very real.


Exactly what I'm saying. Not to get conspiratorial but it doesn't pass the smell test at all.
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2:43p, 9/16/25
all these leftist are truly the most stupid people on the planet

Robinson tells his boyfriend "once I grab the rifle I will have left no evidence"

!!!

photos of him in the stairwell

elbow prints

shoe prints

left the rifle

dude literally thought he was going to get away with a public execution in front of millions of people!
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In reply to Waffledynamics • 2:44p, 9/16/25
Waffledynamics said:
They text conversation doesn't seem very real.

wasn't that released by the government in their charging document?

so you are claiming the USG and FBI just made it all up to frame Robinson?!?!
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2:45p, 9/16/25
My feeling is as it relates to other parties involvement is its going to be one of two things:

His furry trans lover was part of some militant group or was at least in their orbit and Robinson did this to endear himself and his lover to the movement.

The militant group was fully involved in planning and actually encouraging Robinson to do it or take some big action.
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In reply to LMCane • 2:45p, 9/16/25
Left will still gaslight. Yesterday during the Five, Jessica Tarlov was trying to gaslight, till Gutfeld spoke up and put Jessica in her place.
When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.
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2:46p, 9/16/25
Reads exactly like two brain dead 22 year olds with mental disorders. Lower your expectations of humanity to reality.
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In reply to TAMUallen • 2:46p, 9/16/25
TAMUallen said:
Waffledynamics said:
They text conversation doesn't seem very real.


Exactly what I'm saying. Not to get conspiratorial but it doesn't pass the smell test at all.

What are you all implying? Regardless of this conversation, why would the prosecutors sabotage their case by planting evidence? I am not saying you are implying that, I am just asking what reason would they have for not giving the exact conversation?
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In reply to LMCane • 2:47p, 9/16/25
LMCane said:
Waffledynamics said:
They text conversation doesn't seem very real.

wasn't that released by the government in their charging document?

so you are claiming the USG and FBI just made it all up to frame Robinson?!?!


Not what I'm suggesting but that's so far from a normal conversation when your lover admits to you that they just committed a public assassination. Yes, both appear to be very weird but that's just too much. There's more to it, guaranteed
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2:48p, 9/16/25
You don't hate the media enough:

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2:48p, 9/16/25
It is an oddly specific text exchange
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In reply to Marvin_Zindler • 2:49p, 9/16/25
I don't give a **** how intimate his relationship was with anyone, I just want his next intimate relationship to be with an executioners bullet.
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In reply to Texas 8&4 • 2:49p, 9/16/25
Texas 8&4 said:
TAMUallen said:
Waffledynamics said:
They text conversation doesn't seem very real.


Exactly what I'm saying. Not to get conspiratorial but it doesn't pass the smell test at all.

What are you all implying? Regardless of this conversation, why would the prosecutors sabotage their case by planting evidence? I am not saying you are implying that, I am just asking what reason would they have for not giving the exact conversation?


I'm implying that there's more to it. Not implying the prosecution or government has staged it. That is beyond a weird conversation. If I was investigating then the the first thing I do is look at all of their conversations that I can find to see if this has any resemblance to past communications. If it doesn't then something else is undoubtedly going on.
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In reply to Marvin_Zindler • 2:49p, 9/16/25
Marvin_Zindler said:
You don't hate the media enough:



How sweet, the hateful broken killer man is romantic. That's so messed up
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In reply to zgolfz85 • 2:50p, 9/16/25
Maybe they had the text before we knew any details? So then the text wouldn't have to align with the narrative, but it would actually be how they got the information they relayed to us?
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In reply to TAMUallen • 2:51p, 9/16/25
TAMUallen said:
LMCane said:
Waffledynamics said:
They text conversation doesn't seem very real.

wasn't that released by the government in their charging document?

so you are claiming the USG and FBI just made it all up to frame Robinson?!?!


Not what I'm suggesting but that's so far from a normal conversation when your lover admits to you that they just committed a public assassination. Yes, both appear to be very weird but that's just too much. There's more to it, guaranteed


How many other texts message chains have you seen after such events?

These are both very sick young people. There is no normal when it comes to what they may text.
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In reply to aginlakeway • 2:53p, 9/16/25
aginlakeway said:
TAMUallen said:
LMCane said:
Waffledynamics said:
They text conversation doesn't seem very real.

wasn't that released by the government in their charging document?

so you are claiming the USG and FBI just made it all up to frame Robinson?!?!


Not what I'm suggesting but that's so far from a normal conversation when your lover admits to you that they just committed a public assassination. Yes, both appear to be very weird but that's just too much. There's more to it, guaranteed


How many other texts message chains have you seen after such events?

These are both very sick young people. There is no normal when it comes to what they may text.


Point taken but it doesnt make sense or seem normal. These two are certainly way out there but even within that message chain, it doesnt seem believable
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In reply to TAMUallen • 2:54p, 9/16/25
TAMUallen said:
aginlakeway said:
TAMUallen said:
LMCane said:
Waffledynamics said:
They text conversation doesn't seem very real.

wasn't that released by the government in their charging document?

so you are claiming the USG and FBI just made it all up to frame Robinson?!?!


Not what I'm suggesting but that's so far from a normal conversation when your lover admits to you that they just committed a public assassination. Yes, both appear to be very weird but that's just too much. There's more to it, guaranteed


How many other texts message chains have you seen after such events?

These are both very sick young people. There is no normal when it comes to what they may text.


Point taken but it doesnt make sense or seem normal. These two are certainly way out there but even within that message chain, it doesnt seem believable


It doesn't to you because you're not bat**** crazy.

(And I mean that as a compliment)
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