Text messages are legit. Have to give Candace a hat tip this time.

Farmer_J said:

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Come on haters. Better get some new talking points

NEW: TPUSA's @AndrewKolvet confirms the texts from Charlie Kirk that were shared yesterday by Candace Owens are authentic.

The texts in question were from Charlie in a group chat, in which he said he had "no choice but to leave the pro-Israel cause."

"Charlie was wonderfully… pic.twitter.com/IfBfFlHe6r

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) October 7, 2025

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Sounds Like we now know the Charlie Kirk was finallly coming around to his senses. Definitely a testament of his character to turn down the Jewish money and resist canceling Tucker and Candace.

biglebowski said:

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Text messages are legit. Have to give Candace a hat tip this time.

Farmer_J said:

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Come on haters. Better get some new talking points

NEW: TPUSA's @AndrewKolvet confirms the texts from Charlie Kirk that were shared yesterday by Candace Owens are authentic.

The texts in question were from Charlie in a group chat, in which he said he had "no choice but to leave the pro-Israel cause."

"Charlie was wonderfully… pic.twitter.com/IfBfFlHe6r

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) October 7, 2025

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Do we know the date of this now confirmed as legit text clip?

That video had Charlie saying "you can't criticize" and really spelling out things. Where did this notion from necons come from. We were buddies with the British Empire but criticized them very frankly. None of that translates to jumping the fence to join the enemy side. No amount of criticism from Kirk or Megyn, etc, can imply support for Hamas. If donors are acting that way, they are way out of line.

And what's this with a sizable anti Israel shift among conservative youth? Oct 7 rated something the Mongols would do. This doesn't seem that gray a war -- even Ukraine is more gray.

But this text and video certainly is its own testament and can't be disregarded.

Oh, but this in no way translates to any question of "who done it" ---- if for no other reason it makes no sense for Israel to expend that kind of political capital just to muzzle some small right pushback. There was no risk of them going Hamasian for the reasons stated.

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He wasn't openly hawkish but he was openly pro Israel, and that has hawkish implications. He had no problem with regime change in Iran because his friend Israel has wanted it.

It was just a few months ago that he wrote a love letter to Bibi decrying the American youth for becoming hostile towards Israel. He was trying to figure out a PR campaign to get people back on Israel's side with their head of state. He was as openly pro Israel as you could get. That's why it would make no sense for Israel to want him dead.

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It doesn't make any sense for Israel to kill him.

I think his main concern was keeping the conservative coalition together and he was having a tough time balancing that with how strongly the conservative 18-29 demo had shifted away from Israel. He was voicing his concern about that trend and trying to move the pro-Israel side away from things that were very unpopular with Gen Z.

He believed you could be pro-Israel and still be against regime change in Iran, US involvement in the Middle East, criminalizing private boycotts of Israel, DHS guidance linking Israel and BDS with access to state disaster funds, censoring anti-semitism, and extending U.S. military benefits to Americans serving in the IDF. He believed proposals like these were pushing Gen Z away and tanking support for Israel.

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Those texts read exactly how Candace would want them to read. They are way too on the nose. Does anybody really think Charlie Kirk would say "just lost another huge Jewish donor."

Also why would he have no choice but to leave the Pro-Israel cause just because Jewish donors were trying to strong arm him? He would have to change his entire worldview and he doesn't seem like a guy who would change his principles because a couple donors put some pressure on him. Pressure comes with their money; it's to be expected.

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I lined out what went down this summer in this thread. It was interesting to watch it all go down.

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3564275

The neoconservative wing was really upset with him platforming more voices from the libertarian and populist wing at his TPUSA events over the summer.

I don't remember him ever being hawkish on foreign policy, and it seemed his economic and domestic policy views had shifted more than his foreign policy views.

There's a reason he didn't go on Fox News for 3 years after Tucker was fired and Fox had banned their anchors from TPUSA events during that time. It all blew over in the lead up to the 2024 election and Charlie was extremely gracious in his handling of that situation.

There's also a reason his election night stream consisted of him, Andrew, Blake Neff, Jack Posobiec, and Cliff Maloney. Blake was the Tucker producer that Fox fired and Charlie hired immediately. Cliff was the former president of Young Americans for Liberty he had running point on his ground game in Pennsylvania.

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Was on that thread, but these Candace claims hadn't been directly backed up at that point. The text clip released is strong, and supports some of the take above. A notable rift has formed between elements of the "podcast" right and the neocons and possibly Jerusalem itself. (Given Kirk's mention of the Times of Israel article) A situation where someone like Megyn Kelly, or Kirk himself is accused of stirring anti-semitism is just nuts.

seems mr hammer has some explaining to do

JOSH HAMMER TREACHERY?

FACT: Josh Hammer randomly dug up a 12-year old Trump tweet about public executions the night before Charlie was assassinated.

FACT: That same night before the assassination, Josh Hammer told us he had a meeting with Charlie wherein he claimed Charlie… https://t.co/KFsDXFEMBU pic.twitter.com/ssISawg1tu

— Sam Parker 🇺🇸🧯 (@BasedSamParker) October 7, 2025

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It doesn't make any sense for Israel to kill him.

I think his main concern was keeping the conservative coalition together and he was having a tough time balancing that with how strongly the conservative 18-29 demo had shifted away from Israel. He was voicing his concern about that trend and trying to move the pro-Israel side away from things that were very unpopular with Gen Z.

He believed you could be pro-Israel and still be against regime change in Iran, US involvement in the Middle East, criminalizing private boycotts of Israel, DHS guidance linking Israel and BDS with access to state disaster funds, censoring anti-semitism, and extending U.S. military benefits to Americans serving in the IDF. He believed proposals like these were pushing Gen Z away and tanking support for Israel.

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This last paragraph and bolded is very useful. So this is what is alienating alot of conservative Gen Z? Its easy enough to see with none of those lead toward the left position of pro Hamas but would ruffle establishment feathers for sure.

As for "censoring antisemitism" -- does this refer to censoring criticism of Israel government which is NOT antisemitism any more than criticizing Putin is "anti-Slavic" ?? Or the real kind, the kind that blames Jewish citizens for all things tawdry?

While I find it very strange that he dug up that old Trump tweet the day before the assassination....could he have also been possibly referring to the murder of Iryna Zarutska? I remember that video was also circulating around that time as well.

Yep, that was very timely.

SociallyConditionedAg said:

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Yep, that was very timely.

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Afraid missing the context or implication of a Trump tweet of 2013 and this Josh Hammer character's tweet?

I do notice that the date of the Candace provided text confirmed as real is apparently the 9th, the day before the shooting, so that is answered.

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It doesn't make any sense for Israel to kill him.

I think his main concern was keeping the conservative coalition together and he was having a tough time balancing that with how strongly the conservative 18-29 demo had shifted away from Israel. He was voicing his concern about that trend and trying to move the pro-Israel side away from things that were very unpopular with Gen Z.

He believed you could be pro-Israel and still be against regime change in Iran, US involvement in the Middle East, criminalizing private boycotts of Israel, DHS guidance linking Israel and BDS with access to state disaster funds, censoring anti-semitism, and extending U.S. military benefits to Americans serving in the IDF. He believed proposals like these were pushing Gen Z away and tanking support for Israel.

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This last paragraph and bolded is very useful. So this is what is alienating alot of conservative Gen Z? Its easy enough to see with none of those lead toward the left position of pro Hamas but would ruffle establishment feathers for sure.

As for "censoring antisemitism" -- does this refer to censoring criticism of Israel government which is NOT antisemitism any more than criticizing Putin is "anti-Slavic" ?? Or the real kind, the kind that blames Jewish citizens for all things tawdry?

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Those were just a few things he had railed against in recent months. It was both about what he thought was in America's best interest and about avoiding legislation that plays into narratives about Israel running the US government that would lead to more antisemitism. He highlighted some of this in the focus group he and Andrew held at the TPUSA Student Action Summit.

On the Gen Z dissatisfaction, his primary view was that Gen Z's economic prospects are worse than previous generations, and the general feeling among Gen Z is that their concerns and America's are not being put first. He went pretty deep into these in his interview with Tucker.

Where these issues tie together is that Gen Z is in the midst of a large political shift from the status quo. Unless, economic prospects improve, they'll polarize around people like Zohran Mamdani or go significantly further to the right. Where does that leave Israel? That's what he was trying to explain to conservative politicians, donors, and the pro-Israel side, but outside of Trump and Vance, they weren't getting it.

On the censuring antisemitism issue, both his Twitter and TikTok accounts had been shutdown for "hate speech". Both he and Turning Point were on multiple government lists for being "domestic extremists", and since they're a conservative political organization centered around speaking on campuses, banning speech on campuses was a sensitive topic. On top of that, he felt any legislation banning antisemitism would only lead to an expansion of what was defined as antisemitic.

This has some good information

Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

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This has some good information

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If they have the video of the actual shooter taking the shot then there is really no other way that this could have happened, that info will come out in the trial. This video kind of puts all those other theories how this may have or possible could have happened to bed- they have video of the actual shot being fired, end of story. I think everyone just needs to wait for the trial to see that video because I'm sure it will be used in the trial

Andrea Burkhart is one of the best lawyer-Youtubers out there. She just went on a deep dive of the case, focusing on the evidence we know so far and the legal process.

https://www.youtube.com/live/Z0IIoRCVeqY?si=F50XHwWO-xxbqgCB

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Andrea Burkhart is one of the best lawyer-Youtubers out there. She just went on a deep dive of the case, focusing on the evidence we know so far and the legal process.

https://www.youtube.com/live/Z0IIoRCVeqY?si=F50XHwWO-xxbqgCB

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She definitely drones on and on at length over things she knows nothing about. Guess three hours is hard to fill, they should use her videos as the part of the enhanced interrogation program geez

First it was the Jews.
Then it was TPUSA.
And now it was the zionist Trump, which is what she was always going to do eventually.

She is clearly suffering from either post-partum psychosis or schizophrenia.

And she's going to give Robinson's attorney talking points to try to convince even just 1 juror that it was someone else.

But I'm sure at least one person here will still defend her and support her claims.

love how all the "conservatives" goal tending for Candace by blaming the Jews for everything..

now have to defend Crazy Candace who blames PRESIDENT TRUMP for murdering Charlie!!

any of you "conservatives" want to claim now that it was actually Trump who murdered Kirk?!?

or is Candace wrong?

Wrong and seriously disturbed.

Farmer_J said:

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I haven't seen where Candace said that.

It probably wouldn't have been a big deal if the pro israeli nut jobs wouldn't have went nuclear and denied there was a meeting with Israeli billionaires before the murder. Just about everything went down, like she said.

Candace 1 - NPC bots 0

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F16 is filled with pro-Israel and pro-Ukraine bots. Very Reddit-like. A couple of them are on this very thread.

Candace is just meh in my opinion. Not that important, but wants to be included, it feels like to me.

Americans over the age of 50 overwhelmingly believe that the current state of the economy is "fairly good."

Meanwhile, Americans aged 18-49 overwhelmingly believe the current state of the economy is "fairly bad" or "very bad."

Young people want to own homes and raise a family,… pic.twitter.com/uXBSs6hl5X

— Gabe Guidarini (@GabeGuidarini) October 24, 2025

Don't young people want to protest the USA and kill babies with impunity? That's a far cry from having a home and family.

They can they just choose not to. They blame the economy when millions of younger people are living the dream.

Perhaps the wrong thread?