Charlie Kirk Assassination Man Hunt Updates & Speculation[Staff Edit]

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I don't think the standard MSM report is the bullet proof vest. I personally don't think he had one on. I haven't seen anything regarding an exit wound. I also haven't seen any real images of the white screen behind him, but I haven't been watching a lot of videos on it if they happen to show that.

Where are you seeing the crime scene wasn't protected? Just because it's down now doesn't mean they didn't get what they needed in my opinion.
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If you have, then you know that you can hear the report of the impact on an animal before the rifle report


What? Yes I've been hunting, and no I've never heard a bullet hit the animal I'm firing at before the rifle I'm firing. If you're hearing that, you're either really close to the animal with someone else firing or you're imagining it.
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GAC06 said:

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If you have, then you know that you can hear the report of the impact on an animal before the rifle report


What? Yes I've been hunting, and no I've never heard a bullet hit the animal I'm firing at before the rifle I'm firing. If you're hearing that, you're imagining it.


You don't hear the bullet hit the animal you're shooting.

But from a distance you can hear the shot hit first. Typically a little further distance than all the phones/cameras/people in question here.

Edit - I'm sure there is forensic audio analysis to confirm there was no impact to a vest first.
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“You can resolve to live your life with integrity. Let your credo be this: Let the lie come into the world, let it even triumph. But not through me.”
- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Jbob04
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No exit wound? He was gushing blood and you can see the hole on his neck in one of the videos
RED AG 98
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Right, but that was the entrance.
Jbob04
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He was hit on his right side and bled out on his left where the hole was.
RED AG 98
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Only according to internet zapruders. The entrance was on the front left of his neck just above the collar bone.
drcrinum
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Thanks for posting that. Clears things up a lot for me.
Dirty_Mike&the_boys
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JFABNRGR said:




Here's the full text of the tweet for those not on X


I want to address some of the discussion about the lack of an exit wound with Charlie. I'm usually not interested in delving into most of this kind of online chatter, and I apologize this is somewhat graphic, but in this case, the fact that there wasn't an exit wound is probably another miracle, and I want people to know.

I just spoke with the surgeon who worked on Charlie in the hospital…

He said the bullet "absolutely should have gone through, which is very very normal for a high powered, high velocity round. I've seen wounds from this caliber many times and they always just go through everything. This would have taken a moose or two down, an elk, etc."

But it didn't go through. Charlie's body stopped it.

I mentioned to his doctor that there were dozens of staff, students, and special guests standing directly behind Charlie on the other side of the tent, and he replied:

"It was an absolute miracle that someone else didn't get killed."

"His bone was so healthy and the density was so so impressive that he's like the man of steel. It should have just gone through and through. It likely would have killed those standing behind him too."

In the end, the coroner did find the bullet just beneath the skin.

Even in death, Charlie managed to save the lives of those around him.

Remarkable. Miraculous.
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Dirty_Mike&the_boys
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"We're going to turn this red Prius into a soup kitchen!"
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To those commenting regarding "armed queers salt lake city", gays/queers control SLC proper.
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I had been assuming this whole time the big hole on the left side of Charlie's neck where the fountain of blood was gushing out WAS the exit wound. I thought there was a small hole entrance wound on the right side of his neck.
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Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:



Why did the FBI not have advance notice?
mjschiller
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jt2hunt - I agree. Why did the college not have more security?
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mjschiller said:

jt2hunt - I agree. Why did the college not have more security?

Why were there incredible failures in security in Butler? Someone somewhere in the government let it happen.
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bkag9824 said:

IslanderAg04 said:

KingofHazor said:

How many of these "analysis videos" are Russian/Chinese/whatever disinformation campaigns? How many of these folks doing those so-called "analyses" are getting paid to do them?

I'm very, very skeptical of the claims that Charlie was shot from the rear. Was there an entry wound on the back of his neck? Why didn't the bullet hit someone in front of him after it exited his neck?

I don't trust the government at all, but I trust internet "experts" even less.


If you watch it in slow motion you see it hit his upper chest, push him up, then shrapnel pulls his collar up and goes up his neck. You can see the body armor bump up. A 30-06 direct to the neck would have done more dmg.


Seriously stop with the body armor. He. Was. Not. Wearing. Any.

A solid plate would never show his "moobs" (apologies for lack of a better word) as is seen in multiple photo and video angles immediately before he is shot.

Have you ever been hunting? Serious question.

If you have, then you know that you can hear the report of the impact on an animal before the rifle report. There was no "thud" or "ding" from hitting a solid plate. He was shot directly in the neck.


And I say all that as someone who originally thought he was shot from his right side due to the nature of bleeding and the way he slumped to his left. But I was wrong. He was shot almost directly straight on…in the neck.

Are you aware that Andrew (producer) and Megyn Kelly talked about him wearing a vest in the show on Thursday? I don't really care one way or the other, other than there's nothing official and even like-minded very smart people have disagreed...
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ShaggSLC - college VP turned down the Orem PC offer for more protection.
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Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

JFABNRGR said:




Here's the full text of the tweet for those not on X


I want to address some of the discussion about the lack of an exit wound with Charlie. I'm usually not interested in delving into most of this kind of online chatter, and I apologize this is somewhat graphic, but in this case, the fact that there wasn't an exit wound is probably another miracle, and I want people to know.

I just spoke with the surgeon who worked on Charlie in the hospital…

He said the bullet "absolutely should have gone through, which is very very normal for a high powered, high velocity round. I've seen wounds from this caliber many times and they always just go through everything. This would have taken a moose or two down, an elk, etc."

But it didn't go through. Charlie's body stopped it.

I mentioned to his doctor that there were dozens of staff, students, and special guests standing directly behind Charlie on the other side of the tent, and he replied:

"It was an absolute miracle that someone else didn't get killed."

"His bone was so healthy and the density was so so impressive that he's like the man of steel. It should have just gone through and through. It likely would have killed those standing behind him too."

In the end, the coroner did find the bullet just beneath the skin.

Even in death, Charlie managed to save the lives of those around him.

Remarkable. Miraculous.

He was wearing a plate and the bullet hit the top of it. Just stop with this bull***** Plenty of explanations, go watch and quit posting.
IslanderAg04
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bkag9824 said:

IslanderAg04 said:

KingofHazor said:

How many of these "analysis videos" are Russian/Chinese/whatever disinformation campaigns? How many of these folks doing those so-called "analyses" are getting paid to do them?

I'm very, very skeptical of the claims that Charlie was shot from the rear. Was there an entry wound on the back of his neck? Why didn't the bullet hit someone in front of him after it exited his neck?

I don't trust the government at all, but I trust internet "experts" even less.


If you watch it in slow motion you see it hit his upper chest, push him up, then shrapnel pulls his collar up and goes up his neck. You can see the body armor bump up. A 30-06 direct to the neck would have done more dmg.


Seriously stop with the body armor. He. Was. Not. Wearing. Any.

A solid plate would never show his "moobs" (apologies for lack of a better word) as is seen in multiple photo and video angles immediately before he is shot.

Have you ever been hunting? Serious question.

If you have, then you know that you can hear the report of the impact on an animal before the rifle report. There was no "thud" or "ding" from hitting a solid plate. He was shot directly in the neck.


And I say all that as someone who originally thought he was shot from his right side due to the nature of bleeding and the way he slumped to his left. But I was wrong. He was shot almost directly straight on…in the neck.


Dirty_Mike&the_boys
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ShaggySLC said:

Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

JFABNRGR said:




Here's the full text of the tweet for those not on X


I want to address some of the discussion about the lack of an exit wound with Charlie. I'm usually not interested in delving into most of this kind of online chatter, and I apologize this is somewhat graphic, but in this case, the fact that there wasn't an exit wound is probably another miracle, and I want people to know.

I just spoke with the surgeon who worked on Charlie in the hospital…

He said the bullet "absolutely should have gone through, which is very very normal for a high powered, high velocity round. I've seen wounds from this caliber many times and they always just go through everything. This would have taken a moose or two down, an elk, etc."

But it didn't go through. Charlie's body stopped it.

I mentioned to his doctor that there were dozens of staff, students, and special guests standing directly behind Charlie on the other side of the tent, and he replied:

"It was an absolute miracle that someone else didn't get killed."

"His bone was so healthy and the density was so so impressive that he's like the man of steel. It should have just gone through and through. It likely would have killed those standing behind him too."

In the end, the coroner did find the bullet just beneath the skin.

Even in death, Charlie managed to save the lives of those around him.

Remarkable. Miraculous.

He was wearing a plate and the bullet hit the top of it. Just stop with this bull***** Plenty of explanations, go watch and quit posting.


GFY I was just expanding the entire tweet for those not on X.
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bkag9824 said:

GAC06 said:

Quote:

If you have, then you know that you can hear the report of the impact on an animal before the rifle report


What? Yes I've been hunting, and no I've never heard a bullet hit the animal I'm firing at before the rifle I'm firing. If you're hearing that, you're imagining it.


You don't hear the bullet hit the animal you're shooting.

But from a distance you can hear the shot hit first. Typically a little further distance than all the phones/cameras/people in question here.

Edit - I'm sure there is forensic audio analysis to confirm there was no impact to a vest first.


Absolutely wrong. I only have 100's of examples of both hits and misses from my family's ranch and hunting at literally anywhere else from people shooting at a distance to know there's always the boom before the "pop" on a hit and hear the exact same boom from the report with no "pop" and knowing my cardinal directions which of my cousins missed because I get to talk **** to them afterwards. Plus the simple fact that the rifle is making noise before the bullet makes impact no matter what distance, and it's obviously louder.
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Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

ShaggySLC said:

Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

JFABNRGR said:




Here's the full text of the tweet for those not on X


I want to address some of the discussion about the lack of an exit wound with Charlie. I'm usually not interested in delving into most of this kind of online chatter, and I apologize this is somewhat graphic, but in this case, the fact that there wasn't an exit wound is probably another miracle, and I want people to know.

I just spoke with the surgeon who worked on Charlie in the hospital…

He said the bullet "absolutely should have gone through, which is very very normal for a high powered, high velocity round. I've seen wounds from this caliber many times and they always just go through everything. This would have taken a moose or two down, an elk, etc."

But it didn't go through. Charlie's body stopped it.

I mentioned to his doctor that there were dozens of staff, students, and special guests standing directly behind Charlie on the other side of the tent, and he replied:

"It was an absolute miracle that someone else didn't get killed."

"His bone was so healthy and the density was so so impressive that he's like the man of steel. It should have just gone through and through. It likely would have killed those standing behind him too."

In the end, the coroner did find the bullet just beneath the skin.

Even in death, Charlie managed to save the lives of those around him.

Remarkable. Miraculous.

He was wearing a plate and the bullet hit the top of it. Just stop with this bull***** Plenty of explanations, go watch and quit posting.


GFY I was just expanding the entire tweet for those not on X.

Right back at you with the GFY. Bkag was who I was trying to reply to, so apologies, but if thats the best response, GFY hard too ol boy.
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interesting video, but just an opinion and not fact
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Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

ShaggySLC said:

Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

JFABNRGR said:




Here's the full text of the tweet for those not on X


I want to address some of the discussion about the lack of an exit wound with Charlie. I'm usually not interested in delving into most of this kind of online chatter, and I apologize this is somewhat graphic, but in this case, the fact that there wasn't an exit wound is probably another miracle, and I want people to know.

I just spoke with the surgeon who worked on Charlie in the hospital…

He said the bullet "absolutely should have gone through, which is very very normal for a high powered, high velocity round. I've seen wounds from this caliber many times and they always just go through everything. This would have taken a moose or two down, an elk, etc."

But it didn't go through. Charlie's body stopped it.

I mentioned to his doctor that there were dozens of staff, students, and special guests standing directly behind Charlie on the other side of the tent, and he replied:

"It was an absolute miracle that someone else didn't get killed."

"His bone was so healthy and the density was so so impressive that he's like the man of steel. It should have just gone through and through. It likely would have killed those standing behind him too."

In the end, the coroner did find the bullet just beneath the skin.

Even in death, Charlie managed to save the lives of those around him.

Remarkable. Miraculous.

He was wearing a plate and the bullet hit the top of it. Just stop with this bull***** Plenty of explanations, go watch and quit posting.


GFY I was just expanding the entire tweet for those not on X.


Woah We got a badass here/fgif
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JFABNRGR said:




Honestly. Some sort of " Immediate Consequence" should occur as the result of blatant lies and misrepresentations that designed to have a purposeful result……like being caned.

Make ****skies up……you run with it. Three wack's.
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One cannot possibly hate the media enough.
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BlueSmoke
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Jesus. He was not wearing armour of any kind. You can clearly see the contours of his chest. Even if he was a Kevlar vest, straps over the shoulder and waist would be clear under a thin Tshirt.

As for this revelation. How did this report circumvent HIPPA laws? This whole report of a "miracle bullet" lodged in the neck seems like BS.
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Andrew Kolvert is not bound in any way by HIPAA. Erika Kirk is not bound by HIPAA.
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If were going to debate this lets do it as CK would, with civility.

For me who wore armor 220+ days a year for 2 years straight, tested body armor, and still own several sets at the ready now, I am 85% no body armor, 15% armor just from the one convincing video. I was 100% no armor prior and here are my reasons why I am mostly in the no armor camp.

It would take minimum of 7 lbs of steel to deflect a 2500fps bullet. In order to hold up 7lb plate, would require significant vesting to hold in place, and be visible in many postures on the front, back, and over the shoulders. No frames exist of this with the exception of one at front below the chin, which has been also shown as the wire under shirt to lapel mic.

In my experience, you would never just wear a steel plate. Steel does little to absorb a massive amount of energy and should be worn over kevlar or other soft armor or with what is called trauma plates that help dissipate impact energy. This would take a bear minimum 1/4" thickness to closer to 3/4-1" and be easily seen. It's been awhile maybe something has changed but I don't see it in the market place. Some may say well he did this to protect against edge weapon but again I disagree as the table and fencing with body guards would be enough to stop a knife or blunt object attack in time.

Furthermore, most bullets when deflecting off steel shatter into many pieces and go in many directions, like a splatter. Any pistol shooter on steel in the sub 10 yard range knows the reason for eye pro. In CK it's just one into the carotid and beyond.

As for no exit wound I can only say bullets & bodies do weird things sometimes.

My RE agent's nephews is one of the surgeons who worked on CK and I will ask her on Thursday in person, until then we will wait for official reports.
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Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

JFABNRGR said:




Here's the full text of the tweet for those not on X


I want to address some of the discussion about the lack of an exit wound with Charlie. I'm usually not interested in delving into most of this kind of online chatter, and I apologize this is somewhat graphic, but in this case, the fact that there wasn't an exit wound is probably another miracle, and I want people to know.

I just spoke with the surgeon who worked on Charlie in the hospital…

He said the bullet "absolutely should have gone through, which is very very normal for a high powered, high velocity round. I've seen wounds from this caliber many times and they always just go through everything. This would have taken a moose or two down, an elk, etc."

But it didn't go through. Charlie's body stopped it.

I mentioned to his doctor that there were dozens of staff, students, and special guests standing directly behind Charlie on the other side of the tent, and he replied:

"It was an absolute miracle that someone else didn't get killed."

"His bone was so healthy and the density was so so impressive that he's like the man of steel. It should have just gone through and through. It likely would have killed those standing behind him too."

In the end, the coroner did find the bullet just beneath the skin.

Even in death, Charlie managed to save the lives of those around him.

Remarkable. Miraculous.

Is there anything said by the FBI or others regarding an exit wound?
A 30.06 at 100 - 200 yds not going thru the spine? Bullets do funny things when they hit hard things...what's the thought on that from the ballistic literate?
How long before a forensic and/or coroners report on the bullets and wounds?
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This doesn't seem as verified by any official channels. It seems utterly ridiculous as stated.
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mjschiller
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drcrinum - it was not an Mauser98.
 
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