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Some of you butthurt fans are so desperate to see the Astros crash and burn you're grasping at straws and it's sad.

I have yet to see evidence of the Astros using electronic devices to steal signs.

I've seen evidence that indicates they're relaying information from the dugout to the batter, but none whatsoever that indicates electronic devices are utilized.

The only thing indicating that is Mike Fiers and an unnamed source and event hat's iffy since the stories form the anonymous sources don't even line up.

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Maybe it's from the third base coach looking in. Maybe it's from how the catcher sets up.

Hell who says it's signs? How do we know they're not relaying when a pitcher tips an offspeed pitch?

You can't decipher any of that form the videos out there.

Again, point me in the direction where you can definitively say an electronic device was being used. You can't. And even you could don't think MLB could?

We're a few days into this investigation and it's crickets form MLB yet all these internet sleuths have definitive evidence.

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Ag_07 said:

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Some of you butthurt fans are so desperate to see the Astros crash and burn you're grasping at straws and it's sad.

I have yet to see evidence of the Astros using electronic devices to steal signs.

I've seen evidence that indicates they're relaying information from the dugout to the batter, but none whatsoever that indicates electronic devices are utilized.

The only thing indicating that is Mike Fiers and an unnamed source and event hat's iffy since the stories form the anonymous sources don't even line up.

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I'm not a butthurt fan in any way. The Astros are no different than the Royals, Nationals or Brewers to me. I'm a fan of baseball.

Please, give us your explanation of how the signs get into the tunnel to be relayed w/o electronics. I could use a good laugh.

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Count your posts on this thread. Then do a search in your posting history of how often you've posted on this board, and how often you've posted about MLB signs.

Yes, you are in fact butthurt and triggered at the thought of a team's fans wanting verifiable and conclusive evidence before admitting their team might have cheated.

If you weren't, you would have made your peace with a couple comments and left it alone.

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Maybe it's from the third base coach looking in. Maybe it's from how the catcher sets up.

Hell who says it's signs? How do we know they're not relaying when a pitcher tips an offspeed pitch?

You can't decipher any of that form the videos out there.

Again, point me in the direction where you can definitively say an electronic device was being used. You can't. And even you could don't think MLB could?

We're a few days into this investigation and it's crickets form MLB yet all these internet sleuths have definitive evidence.

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Four people who were with the Astros in 2017, including pitcher Mike Fiers, said that during that season, the Astros stole signs during home games in real time with the aid of a camera positioned in the outfield.

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The Astros' set-up in 2017 was not overly complicated. A feed from a camera in center field, fixed on the opposing catcher's signs, was hooked up to a television monitor that was placed on a wall steps from the team's home dugout at Minute Maid Park, in the tunnel that runs between the dugout and the clubhouse. Team employees and players would watch the screen during the game and try to decode signs sitting opposite the screen on massage tables in a wide hallway.

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At least once, some on the Astros were worried enough that they would be discovered that, in the middle of a game, someone in the dugout ordered the screen hauled out of the tunnel and hidden.

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ORAggieFan said:

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Ag_07 said:

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Maybe it's from the third base coach looking in. Maybe it's from how the catcher sets up.

Hell who says it's signs? How do we know they're not relaying when a pitcher tips an offspeed pitch?

You can't decipher any of that form the videos out there.

Again, point me in the direction where you can definitively say an electronic device was being used. You can't. And even you could don't think MLB could?

We're a few days into this investigation and it's crickets form MLB yet all these internet sleuths have definitive evidence.

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I'll take eye witness accounts.

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Four people who were with the Astros in 2017, including pitcher Mike Fiers, said that during that season, the Astros stole signs during home games in real time with the aid of a camera positioned in the outfield.

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The Astros' set-up in 2017 was not overly complicated. A feed from a camera in center field, fixed on the opposing catcher's signs, was hooked up to a television monitor that was placed on a wall steps from the team's home dugout at Minute Maid Park, in the tunnel that runs between the dugout and the clubhouse. Team employees and players would watch the screen during the game and try to decode signs sitting opposite the screen on massage tables in a wide hallway.

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At least once, some on the Astros were worried enough that they would be discovered that, in the middle of a game, someone in the dugout ordered the screen hauled out of the tunnel and hidden.

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Trust me Rangers

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Flexbone said:

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And by the way, for the obviously butthurt Rangers fans who claim we should give the title away based on unproven allegations, why were we so much better on the road than at home if this were such an advantage?

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I do not. They are videos altered by random people on the Internet first off.

Second, all they've have "shown" is that someone is banging on something when they feel a certain pitch is about to be thrown. There is nothing illegal about whistling/banging on trash cans or anything of the sort. The ASSUMPTION is that the supposed actions are triggered by the use of electronic devices relating signs. Except there is know evidence to support that.

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Wow. You're amazing. Your argument is the videos are altered and multiple eye witness accounts are not evidence. It's not an assumption, it's what four people with knowledge of it told the Athletic.

I'd love to know how one is possibly able to get the sign w/in a second of it being given by the catcher w/o the use of electronics and relay it to the tunnel in the dugout.

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Admittedly, there have been many more examples of it happening in 2017 than 2019. But it's happened in 2019. And there's this thing about trust that if you are a proven liar and cheater, people are going to think you're doing it even when you're not. Humans have evolved to feel this way.

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Until then, everybody keep grasping at anything you can to make you feel better that the Astros won a WS and are more relevant than your team.

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LOL 1 WS = more relevant lol

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Here's this dumbass again. Relevance is, by its very nature, dependent upon time and is relative. The Cardinals aren't more relevant in Major League Baseball just because they won World Series titles a long time ago. The Astros have been the best team in the sport for the last 3 year period. They are the most relevant team in baseball over that period.

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Trust me Rangers

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Take it to the rivalry thread. This thread wasn't started by a Rangers fan and half the people y'all have argued with aren't Rangers fans, either.

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No, I'll say what I want and you can deal with it snowflake.

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03_Aggie said:

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I do not. They are videos altered by random people on the Internet first off.

Second, all they've have "shown" is that someone is banging on something when they feel a certain pitch is about to be thrown. There is nothing illegal about whistling/banging on trash cans or anything of the sort. The ASSUMPTION is that the supposed actions are triggered by the use of electronic devices relating signs. Except there is know evidence to support that.

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Wow. You're amazing. Your argument is the videos are altered and multiple eye witness accounts are not evidence. It's not an assumption, it's what four people with knowledge of it told the Athletic.

I'd love to know how one is possibly able to get the sign w/in a second of it being given by the catcher w/o the use of electronics and relay it to the tunnel in the dugout.

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How were they doing it in 2019? The eye witness account you find so credible also said he told both clubs, one of which plays in the same division, of what the Astros were doing (don't think they'd care enough to notify MLB?). MLB put controls in place, post 2017, at each game to ensure it doesn't happen and yet here's "supporting evidence" of it happening in 2019 against the Yankees....

How?

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Cromagnum said:

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And yet the Astros ABs in the playoffs were about as bad as it comes.

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Flexbone said:

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Admittedly, there have been many more examples of it happening in 2017 than 2019. But it's happened in 2019. And there's this thing about trust that if you are a proven liar and cheater, people are going to think you're doing it even when you're not. Humans have evolved to feel this way.

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Until then, everybody keep grasping at anything you can to make you feel better that the Astros won a WS and are more relevant than your team.

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LOL 1 WS = more relevant lol

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Here's this dumbass again. Relevance is, by its very nature, dependent upon time and is relative. The Cardinals aren't more relevant in Major League Baseball just because they won World Series titles a long time ago. The Astros have been the best team in the sport for the last 3 year period. They are the most relevant team in baseball over that period.

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ORAggieFan said:

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03_Aggie said:

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I do not. They are videos altered by random people on the Internet first off.

Second, all they've have "shown" is that someone is banging on something when they feel a certain pitch is about to be thrown. There is nothing illegal about whistling/banging on trash cans or anything of the sort. The ASSUMPTION is that the supposed actions are triggered by the use of electronic devices relating signs. Except there is know evidence to support that.

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Wow. You're amazing. Your argument is the videos are altered and multiple eye witness accounts are not evidence. It's not an assumption, it's what four people with knowledge of it told the Athletic.

I'd love to know how one is possibly able to get the sign w/in a second of it being given by the catcher w/o the use of electronics and relay it to the tunnel in the dugout.

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How were they doing it in 2019? The eye witness account you find so credible also said he told both clubs, one of which plays in the same division, of what the Astros were doing (don't think they'd care enough to notify MLB?). MLB put controls in place, post 2017, at each game to ensure it doesn't happen and yet here's "supporting evidence" of it happening in 2019 against the Yankees....

How?

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I've never argued they did it in 2019. If you could read you would have read that I specifically said I've seen no evidence leading me to believe they did it in 2019. I'm not saying they didn't, but nothing for me to accuse them.

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Both of the videos on this thread contain the same thing. One is from 2017 and the other 2019. If you believe the White Sox video why would you not believe the Yankees video? If you believe the only way they would be able to do it, given the amount of time, is with the aid of a camera and electronic devises I again ask you how we're they still able to do it in 2019?

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Where can one find this mountain of evidence? All I've seen so far is a breakdown by a Yankees fan which examines one at bat in the eight inning of a game.

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