LMCane said:

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leftists trying to protect their own society's is like a baby trying to fight off a pack of wolves.

if the leftists want to whine about the price of oil in the rest of the world- good luck!

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lmao trump is so ******ed. acting like europe is the only one dealing with high fuel prices as if gas didn't just burst through $4 a gallon at home because of his stupidity.

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LMCane said:

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leftists trying to protect their own society's is like a baby trying to fight off a pack of wolves.

if the leftists want to whine about the price of oil in the rest of the world- good luck!

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lmao trump is so ******ed. acting like europe is the only one dealing with high fuel prices as if gas didn't just burst through $4 a gallon at home because of his stupidity.

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Still 20% lower than Putin price hikes. And we are actually making the world safer not funneling graft to the Biden's.

And ticking barely above at $4.09 is not "bursting through $4…".

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https://time.com/article/2026/03/18/tulsi-gabbard-iran-nuclear-trump/

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Checks notes, note date of article 03/18 and that Yukon almost certainly does not receive intelligence briefings

Oh, and lol at Time magazine. Is it really only printed in Mandarin these days?!

They aren't trustworthy. They spied on the President and assisted in a coup to overthrow him. They don't defend their own country and they definitely don't care about our interests.

Not sure how the UK benefits us at all at this point. Keir Starmer is a marxist.

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LMCane said:

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leftists trying to protect their own society's is like a baby trying to fight off a pack of wolves.

if the leftists want to whine about the price of oil in the rest of the world- good luck!

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I'm sorry but this is toddler level thinking. Oil prices will be just as high here (less freight, quality, and time differentials) as the rest of the world. We do not have enough crude or refined products in excess to replace lost barrels from the Strait. We didn't include Europe in on any operations or consult with them on anything. Then we told them we already won we don't need there help. Now we're saying we **** the bed and Europe needs to clean it up because we make more oil? Is this we winning? Our reputation and reliability as a global ally and partner is in complete collapse, and this is going to result in a good outcome for America? Worse yet, our economy is very much linked with our allies in Europe and Asia, will we not experience economic consequences for that? Furthermore, for the Iran hawks, is the regime not more powerful than they were on February 27th? They now own and operate the most important artery in the world. Countries like Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, and Qatar are now in a position of extreme economic threat to Iran. In exchange we killed some radical guys with beards who are replaced by more radical guys with beards.;

In no world is this a win.

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Just imagine if we had followed team blue and their energy policies guided by the fear of certain doom of "global warming" oops I mean "climate change." We'd be paying $12 a gallon if we could find it.

Reading a dem's take on energy policy is like listening to a toddler. And by the way leaving a proven, hostile, -- 47 years of continual evidence to prove it-- bloody thirsty nation in search of nukes is DEFINITELY a "In no world is this a win" situation.

Listening to a libs take on this, especially weighing in the history, is a utter and complete joke and proves they never learn a damn thing.

What's the issue with the date? And what does your comment about me mean?

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Listening to a libs take on this, especially weighing in the history, is a utter and complete joke and proves they never learn a damn thing.

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#preach

In their world, Vindman is a war hero, patriot and over qualified to be SecDef.

And to them Hegseth is a wet brained Jesus freak loon who isn't qualified to clean latrines.

Once folks understand that truth, then dismissing the libs and their war time hot takes is awesome.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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What's the issue with the date? And what does your comment about me mean?

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It's old.

And I am making an assumption that you have no access to information other than what Time magazine publishes.

Well said! The dem policy on energy is insanity and we are getting a good reality check as to why.

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sts7049 said:

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i don't really disagree with you, but i see the straits topic being one of the most crucial outcomes now. if we leave without this being fully free and open this is going to snowball much worse than it is now.

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You hoping this snowballs is different than there being any scintilla of evidence of that happen. Zero. Nada.

Ships are already transiting and have been. Trump is tacking his tactic here to make a point to the UK and other supposed allies.

The US does NOT need the straight open, Europe, China and Russia do. As such, if things are getting tight for them, they can chip in.

Have some faith. Particularly because Trump and his entire cabinet are putting their faith in God and pray for our mission success.

Why not cheer? Is much easier than jeer.

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you sure like to keep putting words in my mouth. what is your problem exactly?

the data clearly shows stuff is not moving well.



i understand the tactic trump is using to put pressure on other countries. i have no issue with that. but to believe that the US is not going to be affected by disruptions is toddler level thinking.

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Affected is a matter of length and severity that you ignore.

Publicly reported data is not how we make political and military decisions.

I am perfectly comfortable in my assessments.

No one put words in your mouth when I quote you post and you quote mine. It's sort of all out there. People can read for themselves and conclude who has toddler thinking as you like to put it.

BTW- Footnotes Lives Matter…

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you clearly do not understand that for the month of disruption we've already had, it will be many months of economic pain globally to get back to how it was prior

It's from two weeks ago… after the war started… about one of the major reasons th war started. Iran rebuilding its nuclear program, that our DNI head says didn't Happen. So you want to insult me by saying I only get my information from time magazine why don't you produce actual evidence that Iran did restart its nuclear program instead trying to attack me.

one has to be a complete ignoramus or simply a lying propagandist to believe that "the USA has lost in Iran"

annihilated the Islamic Republic Navy (over 100 ships)

annihilated the Islamic Republic Air Force (over 200 planes)

constant strikes against their nuclear reactor sites

destruction of their military industrial base with thousands of strikes

killing of over 80 senior political and military leaders

meanwhile, the Iranians COULD NOT SHOOT DOWN A SINGLE ISRAELI OR AMERICAN AIRCRAFT

.@SecWar provides an update one month into Operation Epic Fury: "The last 24 hours saw the lowest number of enemy missiles and drones fired by Iran... We recently destroyed another one of their command bunkers... Just last night, we had 200 dynamic strikes alone." pic.twitter.com/LG8wk1a5Y6

— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) March 31, 2026

It's incredible, really, how feckless and weak their air defenses have proven to be.

The U.S. has asked Poland to send one of its Patriot missile batteries to the Middle East, but Warsaw says no.

Defense Minister Kosiniak-Kamysz:

“Our Patriot batteries… are used to protect Polish skies and NATO’s eastern flank… we have no plans to relocate them anywhere.” pic.twitter.com/AX4MdNwiq7

— Clash Report (@clashreport) March 31, 2026

I'm sure this sounds good in the Euro press today (note the polish government is actually run by the left political party there for the time being), but the poles are in the process of continuing to buy a vast array of weaponry from us, in addition to what they currently operate. Largely items they can't rapidly procure any equivalent of in any kind of near-term timeline from other partners. Himars, Apaches, Abrams, Patriots, F-35's you name it.

The fallout from publicly flipping us the bird right now is going to be quite dramatic, imho.

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one has to be a complete ignoramus or simply a lying propagandist to believe that "the USA has lost in Iran"

annihilated the Islamic Republic Navy (over 100 ships)

annihilated the Islamic Republic Air Force (over 200 planes)

constant strikes against their nuclear reactor sites

destruction of their military industrial base with thousands of strikes

killing of over 80 senior political and military leaders

meanwhile, the Iranians COULD NOT SHOOT DOWN A SINGLE ISRAELI OR AMERICAN AIRCRAFT

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Sure, if you want to look at it militarily... but they've lost the hearts of the left... and that's what really makes a war truly lost.

"You have to understand, this was a cold and calculated gamble. The Iranians were planning to move their entire nuclear and missile industry underground, in a way that would have made it nearly impenetrable. In any case, we would have attacked this yearbut with the Americans by our side, there was no dilemma."

"The main achievements of the war are the severe damage to ballistic missiles and their production. This time, after hitting the entire production chain, it will be much harder for them to recover."

"It's also worth remembering," the official added, "that for years, the nightmare scenario in Israel was a multi-front war with hundreds of casualties on the home front. Last year, in 'Rising Lion,' in 12 days of war against Iran alone, there were 30 fatalities. Now, in a war with three times as many fronts and three times as many enemies, there are 20. What is that if not proof that 'Rising Lion' was not in vainand neither was 'Roaring Lion'?"

The mission to destroy Iran's ballistic missiles was a game changer, but not in the way Israel expected. Last Friday afternoon, Israel struck a critical part of Iran's ballistic missile industryits two largest steel production plantsbut to their surprise, found the strike affected far more than their military.

Steel facilities sit in a gray area, somewhere between military targetslike missile factories or nuclear sitesand civilian targets, such as water desalination facilities. The Iranian industry is even grayer; there is no part of the economy that the regime has not penetrated.

One of the factories was sanctioned by the U.S. in 2018, described as a critical source of funding for the Basij militia. Yet its targeting by Israel was to stop it from producing the metals used in ballistic missiles, not its cashflow.

Iran is the largest steel producer in the Middle East and ranks among the top 10 globally. Those two factories alone account for billions of dollars in revenue and about three percent of Iranian GDP. The impact on the economy was a side effect Israel accepted.

It now seems that the side effect may have been more powerful than the primary one. According to IDF intelligence, the regime's political leadership now believes there is no way to repair the war damage; Iran simply lacks sufficient funds.

It reportedly has broken the spirit of many in the regime. The assessment is that, given a prolonged economic recovery after the war that will inevitably consume the vast majority of state budgets, massive protests will erupt.

It appears that Trump is reading the same intelligence, which may explain why the threats in his ultimatums have shifted from military targets to the gray area of civilian/military infrastructure, specifically Iran's energy and oil facilities.

Still, as the minister told me regarding regime change at the outset of the war, "there were more optimistic and less optimistic assessments, but no one could guarantee that while bombs were falling on Tehran, the masses would take to the streets. There is no doubt that the war has brought the regime closer to its endbut I cannot tell you whether that will happen before Trump finishes his term, or before Netanyahu finishes his."

Gordo14 said:

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LMCane said:

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leftists trying to protect their own society's is like a baby trying to fight off a pack of wolves.

if the leftists want to whine about the price of oil in the rest of the world- good luck!

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Oh lordy where to start with this junk. My stuff in bold.

I'm sorry but this is toddler level thinking. Oil prices will be just as high here (less freight, quality, and time differentials) as the rest of the world. We do not have enough crude or refined products in excess to replace lost barrels from the Strait.

Oh we almost do. And just think if Blue team hadn't tied our hands for all those years with their well documented failures regarding energy policy. Hell, I still remember 4$ gas in Biden's term with out a war.
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We didn't include Europe in on any operations or consult with them on anything. Then we told them we already won we don't need there help. Now we're saying we **** the bed and Europe needs to clean it up because we make more oil?

Oh you mean that Europe which has been f'ing over the American tax payer and the US military by not remotely paying their part for NATO. Team blue let that happen. No US president complained until Trump did. And to this day most still do not meet their 2% obligations. But in lefty mind socialist Europe is this great partner to the US.
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Is this we winning? Our reputation and reliability as a global ally and partner is in complete collapse,

WOW ! Uh, Europe's reputation and reliability WAS IN GREAT QUESTION prior to this event for reasons stated above.. And here you are a typical lefty with the typical blame America first BS.
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and this is going to result in a good outcome for America? Worse yet, our economy is very much linked with our allies in Europe and Asia, will we not experience economic consequences for that?

Yes, but just imagine what it would be like if the dems had their way and US production was 50% of what it is now. Or just imagine if Iran was able to build military superiority in the Gulf. How would that affect the global eco? And remember back in 2019 or 2020 when Iran launched an unprovoked attack on Saudi energy infrastructure and the world did nothing.
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Furthermore, for the Iran hawks, is the regime not more powerful than they were on February 27th? They now own and operate the most important artery in the world.

This is a straight up load of garbage being pimped as if on cue. Iran has long threatened the straight. In 1986 Reagan had to bust heads given this same regime was disrupting trade launching attacks on tankers from oil platforms. And note no fault levied at Iran for Enriching Uranium 55% over whats needed for peaceful nuclear power. Why would those good folks do that ???????
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Countries like Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, and Qatar are now in a position of extreme economic threat to Iran. In exchange we killed some radical guys with beards who are replaced by more radical guys with beards.;

Hear this guys "Countries like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, and Qatar are now in a position of extreme economic threat to Iran." REEEEEEEEE. Its a new thing caused by Trump and the US !!! Until now all was peaceful. Just be sure to forget the Houthis, Hezbollah, and other proxies doing Irans dirty work including firing missiles at ships in the PG


In no world is this a win.

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Wow I just cant let this crap go.

Note to Mods I know this is harsh but this exchange greatly contrast, in detail, the left and right's take on this war. I think its an important representation as to just how divided this nation has become. I hope you allow it to stand and I hope you allow the lefts response stand as well.

I don't think Europe will fight for the straits. They likely will just make trade agreements with Iran. Weakening US dollar and strengthening Iran.

Yeah, surely the secretary of war would never lie or embellish the truth in the middle of a conflict.

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It's incredible, really, how feckless and weak their air defenses have proven to be.

The U.S. has asked Poland to send one of its Patriot missile batteries to the Middle East, but Warsaw says no.

Defense Minister Kosiniak-Kamysz:

“Our Patriot batteries… are used to protect Polish skies and NATO’s eastern flank… we have no plans to relocate them anywhere.” pic.twitter.com/AX4MdNwiq7

— Clash Report (@clashreport) March 31, 2026

I'm sure this sounds good in the Euro press today (note the polish government is actually run by the left political party there for the time being), but the poles are in the process of continuing to buy a vast array of weaponry from us, in addition to what they currently operate. Largely items they can't rapidly procure any equivalent of in any kind of near-term timeline from other partners. Himars, Apaches, Abrams, Patriots, F-35's you name it.

The fallout from publicly flipping us the bird right now is going to be quite dramatic, imho.

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When you admittedly follow another country into a war (Rubio said this) and go into it alone without any formation of an alliance beforehand this is probably the result. Then add on comments like the war is already won we don't need your help now this is likely the result as well. When you do things like this you better deliver.

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i don't really disagree with you, but i see the straits topic being one of the most crucial outcomes now. if we leave without this being fully free and open this is going to snowball much worse than it is now.

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Let the gulf nations and Iran's customers open the SOH.

i don't care who opens it. it just needs to be open or we are all gonna get bent over

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flown-the-coop said:

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sts7049 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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sts7049 said:

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i don't really disagree with you, but i see the straits topic being one of the most crucial outcomes now. if we leave without this being fully free and open this is going to snowball much worse than it is now.

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You hoping this snowballs is different than there being any scintilla of evidence of that happen. Zero. Nada.

Ships are already transiting and have been. Trump is tacking his tactic here to make a point to the UK and other supposed allies.

The US does NOT need the straight open, Europe, China and Russia do. As such, if things are getting tight for them, they can chip in.

Have some faith. Particularly because Trump and his entire cabinet are putting their faith in God and pray for our mission success.

Why not cheer? Is much easier than jeer.

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you sure like to keep putting words in my mouth. what is your problem exactly?

the data clearly shows stuff is not moving well.



i understand the tactic trump is using to put pressure on other countries. i have no issue with that. but to believe that the US is not going to be affected by disruptions is toddler level thinking.

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Affected is a matter of length and severity that you ignore.

Publicly reported data is not how we make political and military decisions.

I am perfectly comfortable in my assessments.

No one put words in your mouth when I quote you post and you quote mine. It's sort of all out there. People can read for themselves and conclude who has toddler thinking as you like to put it.

BTW- Footnotes Lives Matter…

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you clearly do not understand that for the month of disruption we've already had, it will be many months of economic pain globally to get back to how it was prior

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Clearly I am clueless in life. Appreciate you pointing out.

We should have elected the economic security that a mostly peaceful nuclear Iran would have provided.

Pass on the Obama policy. It doesn't work.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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It's from two weeks ago… after the war started… about one of the major reasons th war started. Iran rebuilding its nuclear program, that our DNI head says didn't Happen. So you want to insult me by saying I only get my information from time magazine why don't you produce actual evidence that Iran did restart its nuclear program instead trying to attack me.

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I have produced it. Multiple times.

I am not insulting you, but if you cite old articles and then misstate what was said then ignore reality of their uranium enrichment programs and stores, then i think you are either ignoring additional evidence, or limiting your assessments to the myopic Times magazine of yore.

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sts7049 said:

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i don't really disagree with you, but i see the straits topic being one of the most crucial outcomes now. if we leave without this being fully free and open this is going to snowball much worse than it is now.

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You hoping this snowballs

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let me hold your hand and show you. this is putting words in my mouth. i've not suggested anywhere i want escalation! someone who has an opinion or viewpoint just SLIGHTLY different than you or the president's is in fact, gasp, OK!

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It's not putting words in your mouth and sorry you take it that way.

It's my assessment of your position based on the amalgamation of your posts on this thread.

I think it's apt, but neither you nor anyone else has to accept that assessment.

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The disgusting thing is that Trump was unable to stay on target and deviated into this unnecessary idiocy. Had he done what he said he'd do in the election, we wouldn't be facing a **** storm in November.

But, blame goes to Congress too. These morons had both houses of the legislature and still couldn't pass anything but a bull**** spending bill.

No deportations. Doge was a joke. Nothing.

Elections are a farce. Every single one of these clowns is controlled. They're either beholden to money or someone has their pornhub login.

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This is amazingly naive. Some people don't understand the congressional process. It's impossible for a party to pass legislation without having 60+ senators on the same team.

Couple that with the American Pravda gaslighting (brainwashing) the masses, the "Nothing" happened.

We now have so called conservatives ripping out their hair about the honorable task of preventing a rabid death cult from obtaining nuclear weapons.

Does anyone do HS civics anymore?

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Yeah, we understand how it works. It's just frustrating- the GOP can make all the promises in the world when they are running for office, and then when they don't do anything they can just blame the democrats. But when Israel needs us to go do another foreign war for them- the GOP WILL do that no matter what. Congress be danged.

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You are a little early with this comment so it's mostly irrelevant. GOP has had little to do with this. This is Trump attacking Iran using his executive powers that have been around for years.

The GOP won't be involved until end of April when they have to approve any further resources to continue. We likely won't make it to the end of the month before Trump declares victory and shuts it down. But if we do, the Republicans likely won't approve any further action. They are highly skittish of this effort as is.

"Lost the hearts of the left"?!!

Flagged for false information. The left has no hearts to lose.

I think they store their feelz in those pink ***** code hats and their neck beards (male and females alike).

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i don't really disagree with you, but i see the straits topic being one of the most crucial outcomes now. if we leave without this being fully free and open this is going to snowball much worse than it is now.

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You hoping this snowballs is different than there being any scintilla of evidence of that happen. Zero. Nada.

Ships are already transiting and have been. Trump is tacking his tactic here to make a point to the UK and other supposed allies.

The US does NOT need the straight open, Europe, China and Russia do. As such, if things are getting tight for them, they can chip in.

Have some faith. Particularly because Trump and his entire cabinet are putting their faith in God and pray for our mission success.

Why not cheer? Is much easier than jeer.

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you sure like to keep putting words in my mouth. what is your problem exactly?

the data clearly shows stuff is not moving well.



i understand the tactic trump is using to put pressure on other countries. i have no issue with that. but to believe that the US is not going to be affected by disruptions is toddler level thinking.

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Affected is a matter of length and severity that you ignore.

Publicly reported data is not how we make political and military decisions.

I am perfectly comfortable in my assessments.

No one put words in your mouth when I quote you post and you quote mine. It's sort of all out there. People can read for themselves and conclude who has toddler thinking as you like to put it.

BTW- Footnotes Lives Matter…

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you clearly do not understand that for the month of disruption we've already had, it will be many months of economic pain globally to get back to how it was prior

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Clearly I am clueless in life. Appreciate you pointing out.

We should have elected the economic security that a mostly peaceful nuclear Iran would have provided.

Pass on the Obama policy. It doesn't work.

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please identify where what i am arguing has anything to do with obama

You are correct that they have a large stockpile, but incorrect they had restarted their nuclear weapons program. There was no evidence with the latter that is publicly available.

AggieCVQ said:

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You are correct that they have a large stockpile, but incorrect they had restarted their nuclear weapons program. There was no evidence with the latter that is publicly available.

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The Iranians told Witkoff they had enough enriched uranium for 11 nuclear warheads. That was their opening negotiating position.

To claim there is no evidence I think is a logical falsehood, unless one assumes he is lying about this and they are straight shooters.

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i don't care who opens it. it just needs to be open or we are all gonna get bent over

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I don't agree with the sentiment "You broke it, you own it". I don't care for any country morally pressuring the U.S. into focusing on the SOH before we lay the ground work.

We are a net exporter of crude, we are a net exporter of refined products. I am not saying we won't hurt, but we have hedged.

We have time that the rest of the world doesn't. They can help share the cost of the SOH.

An old article? Two weeks is old? It's less old than the war is. You've produced it multiple times yet can't right now?

You have to be trolling. Have a good one

Oh noes!

OPEC and US supply growth will likely offset Iran exports by June. By May, most Hormuz Strait volumes may have been re-routed.

via Rystad, Bloomberg, SP Global. pic.twitter.com/7fNfap6lg0

— Daniel Lacalle (@dlacalle_IA) March 31, 2026

🚨 JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon just dropped an UNEXPECTED take on Iran.

“It’s much more important that this be successfully completed, than what the market does.”

Dimon says the markets are unpredictable right now, but regardless, EVERYONE should be hoping for Trump to succeed in… pic.twitter.com/lRjl7s4UfW

— Overton (@overton_news) March 31, 2026

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You are correct that they have a large stockpile, but incorrect they had restarted their nuclear weapons program. There was no evidence with the latter that is publicly available.

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There is publicly available information to the contrary. There is also plenty of nonpublic information.

Believing they were abiding by Supreme Leader's most sincere fatwa is laughably naive.

How much time have you spent talking with folks who understand the ground situation in Iran prior to these hostilities?

How many UN inspectors have you worked with? IAEA? Anything?

Please stop with the Iran was not pursuing nor close to a nuke. You are choosing to believe a dead radical ayatollah who thought he was Allahs representative on Earth until Mahdi comes back vs believing what all experts are saying. I posted multiple resources for you yesterday and you choose to dismiss or ignore.

You pot shots are laughably off target.