I would have gone over there 6 weeks ago and caught a subway at the brand new subway station in Tehran they just opened that is dedicated to the Blessed Virgin Mary. I've seen pictures online, it's beautiful! Would our government allow that here??

andrago94 said:

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I would have gone over there 6 weeks ago and caught a subway at the brand new subway station in Tehran they just opened that is dedicated to the Blessed Virgin Mary. I've seen pictures online, it's beautiful! Would our government allow that here??

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Lmao. Sure and they would have welcomed you with open arms and cut your head off and put in the lead car of the subway.
Poor troll.

andrago94 said:

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I care about all Iranians. That's why I oppose bombing and killing them. Do you?

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No. I don't care about them at all. I'm in favor of bombing and killing every last f'n one of them that wants to do the same to us. And no, I don't give 2 ****s about how that makes you feel.

andrago94 said:

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I would have gone over there 6 weeks ago and caught a subway at the brand new subway station in Tehran they just opened that is dedicated to the Blessed Virgin Mary. I've seen pictures online, it's beautiful! Would our government allow that here??

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Nice dodge. It's great they have a statue of Mary, but she's not the object of the Christian faith, at least not for Protestants, and it has nothing to do with my point.

If you want to pretend that the radical Islamist regime we just took out wouldn't have killed you for openly proclaiming Jesus is Lord and the one true God in a public space in Tehran, keep kidding yourself. It's what totalitarian states do, especially radical Muslim controlled ones.

Up until a few weeks ago, that was the social fabric of Iran that you so lovingly spoke of. I think you know the truth and are being intentionally obtuse to try and make your ridiculous point.

[You're free to express your opinion but when you insult other posters you are crossing the line. Take a brief break and recalibrate -- Staff]

Slicer97 said:

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andrago94 said:

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I care about all Iranians. That's why I oppose bombing and killing them. Do you?

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No. I don't care about them at all. I'm in favor of bombing and killing every last f'n one of them that wants to do the same to us. And no, I don't give 2 ****s about how that makes you feel.

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Wow

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The head mullah issued a fatwa against the development of nuclear weapons and has consistently called for a nuclear free Middle East. The US just assasinated him. I support his views against the proliferation of nuclear weapons. The West is not concerned with nuclear weapons, they just need an enemy to distract from Israel's Palestinian problem. Hence, the stupid "Iran is weeks away from a nuclear weapon" schtick we have heard endlessly since Israel decided to make Iran a pariah in the 90's.

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Fatwa on developing a nuclear bomb isn't effective against the development of a nuclear bomb, nor was it intended to be. It doesn't stop progress towards one while instituted.

The difficulty in developing a bomb is primarily centralized in the enrichment of uranium process, not the bomb itself. Was there a fatwa against enrichment? No, clearly not. They were enriching uranium. Progresses enough to 2/3rds of the way to build 10+ bombs.

Secondarily the difficulty lies in developing the ballistic missiles to deliver the nuclear warhead. Was there a fatwa on building and designing ballistic missiles? No, clearly not. You see their progress in Israel daily.

Once they have the uranium and the ICBM with dummy warheads it's merely a matter of building the mechanism which is not the hardest part of a nuclear bomb.

So fatwa as an exploitation of ignorance of people like you that believes it means something until some imagined affront to Allah demanding global balance to the Islamic center of the world and do the final testing and design of a nuclear weapon.


Also, Christianity is allowed to exist in Iran only in so far as you never talk about it with anyone. It is called the Gospel for a reason. It is the "Good News." To be a practicing Christian is to proselytize, to spread the news, an activity in Iran that receives punishments up to and including death. Are there Christians in Iran? Yes. Are they fully practicing Christians? No, but not by choice, by dictate.

Sometimes the comic book villains are real. In the case of Iran they are worse.

I don't care about Iranians. I'm just tired of forever war

andrago94 said:

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I care about all Iranians. That's why I oppose bombing and killing them. Do you?

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You really should read this book:

https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Targeted-Beirut/Jack-Carr/9781668024362



This is just one instance but over the last 47 years there have been more.

andrago94 said:

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US foreign policy (Democrat and Republican) must have been written by a child. The US goes in wreaks havoc for years then leaves and accepts no responsibility for the consequences of its actions. Rinse and repeat.

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Sure.
But nations have a choice.
Iran for example chose to kill thousands of its own citizens, Christian and Muslim.
That isn't Americas problem. That is an Islam problem. It is the religion of Satan, so I would expect no less.

Japan and West Germany both faced far greater devastation at US hands. I don't remember them killing their own citizens.

Islam and Socialism have killed more people in the last century than anybody else. And it isn't close.

30,000+ Iranians who were killed 2 months ago say the subway is very nice.

andrago94 said:

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I would have gone over there 6 weeks ago and caught a subway at the brand new subway station in Tehran they just opened that is dedicated to the Blessed Virgin Mary. I've seen pictures online, it's beautiful! Would our government allow that here??

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thats nice meanwhile they actively kill Christians and kill for apostasy.

Horse*****

My apologies for posting a pic of Lindsey Graham with Bibi, holding a sign that reads "more for Israel". I now see that is provocative and a triggering micro aggression. I won't do it again.

But thats still really the core of the division and politcal fallout relevant to this thread. Israel is our best western ME ally, and they indirectly got attacked by Iran. Then Iran decided not to give in to US demands in negotiations. Thats the reason for Epic Fury. This is clear and undeniable, and the argument could be made its sufficient.

We should be debating the merits of this war. next steps, and future aid to rebuild Israel. But debate has been stifled bc its all been reduced to Iran is a existential nuke threat. Like how we need to accept any cost to prevent Climate Change extinction. Its a very effective narrative we see on both the left and right. Time and time again it ends up screwing over the taxpayer. Those of us who drop in to try to expose that dynamic, get labeled "isolationist/TDS".

I hope there are young ags in here who can ignore the hyper partisan noise, and demand transparency from gov on war expenditure. We arent toddlers that need to be spooked into compliance, whether its COVID or new wars.

If by fallout on this thread you mean 2 or 3 of you who constantly drone one then okay.

FobTies said:

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My apologies for posting a pic of Lindsey Graham with Bibi, holding a sign that reads "more for Israel". I now see that is provocative and a triggering micro aggression. I won't do it again.

But thats still really the core of the division and politcal fallout relevant to this thread. Israel is our best western ME ally, and they indirectly got attacked by Iran. Then Iran decided not to give in to US demands in negotiations. Thats the reason for Epic Fury. This is clear and undeniable, and the argument could be made its sufficient.

We should be debating the merits of this war. next steps, and future aid to rebuild Israel. But debate has been stifled bc its all been reduced to Iran is a existential nuke threat. Like how we need to accept any cost to prevent Climate Change extinction. Its a very effective narrative we see on both the left and right. Time and time again it ends up screwing over the taxpayer. Those of us who drop in to try to expose that dynamic, get labeled "isolationist/TDS".

I hope there are young ags in here who can ignore the hyper partisan noise, and demand transparency from gov on war expenditure. We arent toddlers that need to be spooked into compliance, whether its COVID or new wars.

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Nice oversimplification along with strawman. Iran has been a global problem for decades and now is the best and perhaps only time to make that problem go away. Nukes? Who knows how close they were, I don't care. Dealing with Iran now while the repercussions are the lowest they can be is the right call.

deddog said:

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andrago94 said:

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US foreign policy (Democrat and Republican) must have been written by a child. The US goes in wreaks havoc for years then leaves and accepts no responsibility for the consequences of its actions. Rinse and repeat.

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Sure.
But nations have a choice.
Iran for example chose to kill thousands of its own citizens, Christian and Muslim.
That isn't Americas problem. That is an Islam problem. It is the religion of Satan, so I would expect no less.

Japan and West Germany both faced far greater devastation at US hands. I don't remember them killing their own citizens.

Islam and Socialism have killed more people in the last century than anybody else. And it isn't close.

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Not sure on Japan, but they'd kill themselves if they let down Japan. Germany definitely killed a lot of their own citizens. They'd hang dissenters in the public square.

ShaggySLC said:

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deddog said:

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andrago94 said:

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US foreign policy (Democrat and Republican) must have been written by a child. The US goes in wreaks havoc for years then leaves and accepts no responsibility for the consequences of its actions. Rinse and repeat.

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Sure.
But nations have a choice.
Iran for example chose to kill thousands of its own citizens, Christian and Muslim.
That isn't Americas problem. That is an Islam problem. It is the religion of Satan, so I would expect no less.

Japan and West Germany both faced far greater devastation at US hands. I don't remember them killing their own citizens.

Islam and Socialism have killed more people in the last century than anybody else. And it isn't close.

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Not sure on Japan, but they'd kill themselves if they let down Japan. Germany definitely killed a lot of their own citizens. They'd hang dissenters in the public square.

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They also put their own citizens in gas chambers. Millions of them.

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ShaggySLC said:

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deddog said:

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andrago94 said:

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US foreign policy (Democrat and Republican) must have been written by a child. The US goes in wreaks havoc for years then leaves and accepts no responsibility for the consequences of its actions. Rinse and repeat.

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Sure.
But nations have a choice.
Iran for example chose to kill thousands of its own citizens, Christian and Muslim.
That isn't Americas problem. That is an Islam problem. It is the religion of Satan, so I would expect no less.

Japan and West Germany both faced far greater devastation at US hands. I don't remember them killing their own citizens.

Islam and Socialism have killed more people in the last century than anybody else. And it isn't close.

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Not sure on Japan, but they'd kill themselves if they let down Japan. Germany definitely killed a lot of their own citizens. They'd hang dissenters in the public square.

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They also put their own citizens in gas chambers. Millions of them.

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I meant after WWII as a result of our actions. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
The poster implied that American foreign policy results in the death of Christians and other peoples because we leave a trail of destruction . That is demonstrably false. We annihilated Germany and nuclear bombed Japan, and yet both those nations are friendly to us. It's not always been the same result in the Middle East but a lot of that blame falls on Islam. Not America. Stop blaming American foreign policy for the ills of Islam and Socialism.

UPDATE: We stand corrected. There are two new tankers loading there right now according to this morning's satellite imagery.

— TankerTrackers.com, Inc. (@TankerTrackers) March 14, 2026

Pathetic.

Well this is unusual

JUST IN: Hamas calls on Iran to stop attacking neighboring countries.

— Polymarket (@Polymarket) March 14, 2026

nortex97 said:

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UPDATE: We stand corrected. There are two new tankers loading there right now according to this morning's satellite imagery.

— TankerTrackers.com, Inc. (@TankerTrackers) March 14, 2026

Pathetic.

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We only bombed the military installations on Kharg Island.
Trump was pretty clear in his message.

Sure, militarily. But we don't have to allow the Chicoms to access it and continue paying the IRGC, politically speaking.

Trump says all military targets all are obliterated but the Straits Hormuz are still closed and oil is $100/barrel

What is Trumps end game? Iran still has upper hand as long as they control the oil flow

FobTies said:

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My apologies for posting a pic of Lindsey Graham with Bibi, holding a sign that reads ....
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...... Those of us who drop in to try to expose that dynamic, get labeled "isolationist/TDS".

I hope there are young ags in here who can ignore the hyper partisan noise,

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Hmmm you mean like young Tards or Sips that have no historical perspective and already think they know everything, 'cause wes got social media and wes are the internet generation"

And uh, almost everyone has demanded gov transparency since 1783.

Buddy you are dead wrong on this issue. Iran has been a pariah state with a criminal government that is getting everything it deserves. And how many young people actually use the internet to read and STUDY historical events and history. Probably less than 5% 'cause wes too buzy gamin'

Personally Gen Z scares, me.40% is straight up commie. 40% straight up Jew hating Tucker righties. Its shaping up to be the American version of the Wiemar Republic of Germany. What a S*it storm that was.

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Trump says all military targets all are obliterated but the Straits Hormuz are still closed and oil is $100/barrel

What is Trumps end game? Iran still has upper hand as long as they control the oil flow

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Hey lets just snap our fingers and make it happen within a month. Wow talking about no perspective. Its like the drive through line at McDonalds, people want their biases addressed NOW NOW NOW.

Good lord.

Phatbob said:

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Nukes? Who knows how close they were, I don't care. Dealing with Iran now while the repercussions are the lowest they can be is the right call.

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Ok, thats a legit argument. I have no problem with our gov saying Iran has been Fing Around for decades in US negotiations while sponsoring terror. Then we can debate how many 100s of billions in bombing Iran and rebuilding Israel is worth it. In fact thats what the rhetoric was in beginning. Rubio and others saying "Iran was playing games" and Hegseth saying "they FAFO with their negotiations".

You seem to be acknowledging that our gov is now fear mongering with existential nuke threat rhetoric to justify EpFury. You dont care about that when it comes to ME war, but probably do care when it comes to COVID or Climate Change. I care about our Gov lying to the American people, all the time, regardless of what its about...but care most of all when its to add major debt to our balance sheet.

Bellard said:

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Trump says all military targets all are obliterated but the Straits Hormuz are still closed and oil is $100/barrel

What is Trumps end game? Iran still has upper hand as long as they control the oil flow they deny everybody else

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Iran controls NOTHING,
We are just not denying shipping unlike the Iranians. But we absolutely can.

So initially, it was said that Risk/insurance companies weren;t covering these ships.
So who's covering the Indian and Chinese ships through?

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Sure, militarily. But we don't have to allow the Chicoms to access it and continue paying the IRGC, politically speaking.

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For now. I don't see that lasting more than a few days, if Iran continues to block the Straits, we aren't gonna allow anything through or eliminate the threat.

Also, if Iran is claiming to have mined the straits, mines aren't smart enough to pick ships from specific nations.

Finally, I'd love to know who China and India are negotiating with to get their ships through. Because that lot needs to be the next target.

BREAKING: The Shia cleric who was filmed at Pearson International Airport in Toronto, arriving from Iran together with his family, has been identified as Hojjatoleslam Morteza Tayyebi. He has recently obtained Canadian citizenship. Unfortunately, the government of Canada is… https://t.co/Ecu6nJjHnU pic.twitter.com/ViBhL8jQwQ

— Babak Taghvaee - The Crisis Watch (@BabakTaghvaee1) March 14, 2026

Clerics are fleeing to Canada.

FobTies said:

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Phatbob said:

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Nukes? Who knows how close they were, I don't care. Dealing with Iran now while the repercussions are the lowest they can be is the right call.

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Ok, thats a legit argument. I have no problem with our gov saying Iran has been Fing Around for decades in US negotiations while sponsoring terror. Then we can debate how many 100s of billions in bombing Iran and rebuilding Israel is worth it. In fact thats what the rhetoric was in beginning. Rubio and others saying "Iran was playing games" and Hegseth saying "they FAFO with their negotiations".

You seem to be acknowledging that our gov is now fear mongering with existential nuke threat rhetoric to justify EpFury. You dont care about that when it comes to ME war, but probably do care when it comes to COVID or Climate Change. I care about our Gov lying to the American people, all the time, regardless of what its about...but care most of all when its to add major debt to our balance sheet.

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What ? did you start paying attention to things on Feb 28. Trump has been very consistent regarding Iran not having nukes. This consistency goes back to his first term.

And just say the US saw your dim light and got out of the ME. Whats little nuke armed Israel gonna do around the moment Iran loads its first fission weapon on a cargo plane or has Hezbollah drive it in. They'll probably use nukes to ensure the kill. Yeah lets do it your way by sticking our heads up our asses. Thats always worked see France 1935.

Iran has proven a zillion times it cant be at all trusted and will do the radical thing. Why cant you see that---- Because your to lazy to research things. Run with ideology only.

deddog said:

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Bellard said:

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Trump says all military targets all are obliterated but the Straits Hormuz are still closed and oil is $100/barrel

What is Trumps end game? Iran still has upper hand as long as they control the oil flow they deny everybody else

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Iran controls NOTHING,
We are just not denying shipping unlike the Iranians. But we absolutely can.

So initially, it was said that Risk/insurance companies weren;t covering these ships.
So who's covering the Indian and Chinese ships through?

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Iran controls nothing? Then US elected to jack up price of oil?


Economically Iran has control.

FobTies said:

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Phatbob said:

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Nukes? Who knows how close they were, I don't care. Dealing with Iran now while the repercussions are the lowest they can be is the right call.

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Ok, thats a legit argument. I have no problem with our gov saying Iran has been Fing Around for decades in US negotiations while sponsoring terror. Then we can debate how many 100s of billions in bombing Iran and rebuilding Israel is worth it. In fact thats what the rhetoric was in beginning. Rubio and others saying "Iran was playing games" and Hegseth saying "they FAFO with their negotiations".

You seem to be acknowledging that our gov is now fear mongering with existential nuke threat rhetoric to justify EpFury. You dont care about that when it comes to ME war, but probably do care when it comes to COVID or Climate Change. I care about our Gov lying to the American people, all the time, regardless of what its about...but care most of all when its to add major debt to our balance sheet.

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But climate change and covid are not one of the basic legitimate functions of government. The military and foreign policy are. Of all the spending our government does, this is what I have the least problem with.