Political fallout and arguments regarding the US-Israeli action against Iran 022824

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When we destroy the fabric of society in Iran and all hell breaks loose with civil war, who will be responsible for the death and destruction among Iran's 1,000,000 Christians? It's the same story as Iraq and Syria where the US government did the same thing.
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andrago94 said:

When we destroy the fabric of society in Iran and all hell breaks loose with civil war, who will be responsible for the death and destruction among Iran's 1,000,000 Christians? It's the same story as Iraq and Syria where the US government did the same thing.

wait you don't think they were attacked prior to this? its illegal to be Christian in Iran did you care about them before this?
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ttu_85 said:

BMX Bandit said:

fake im shocked face

The real outrage is the NYT, Politico and the other usual suspects using this data to pimp the "anti-war" "sentiment" in the 'US". These people are absolutely traitors to this country and have been for decades.

You cant hate legacy media enough

An Aussie friend of my dad's wrote this book back in the 1960's. It was true then, and it is still just as true today. They just don't hide it anymore.

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As a teenager I actually had a copy of that book.

(I went through a John Birch Society phase....)
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May the Schwartz be with you my friend.


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andrago94 said:

Are you aware of what the wars in the Middle East, all supported by Cruz, have done to the Middle Eastern Christian community?? It is terribly tragic.

Cruz killed Christians in the middle east?
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OldArmy71 said:

As a teenager I actually had a copy of that book.

(I went through a John Birch Society phase....)

I never met Dr. Schwarz, but his son and daughter and law came and stayed with us in the early 2000s. My dad spent some time in Australia in the 80s and became friends with the Schwarzes. Very good people.
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andrago94 said:

When we destroy the fabric of society in Iran and all hell breaks loose with civil war, who will be responsible for the death and destruction among Iran's 1,000,000 Christians? It's the same story as Iraq and Syria where the US government did the same thing.

Ahh yes, not only Hamas in Gaza, but the Islamic Regime in Iran both were the protectors of Christendom in the region.

Do you actually do any critical thinking about any of these claims before you agree with them?
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andrago94 said:

When we destroy the fabric of society in Iran and all hell breaks loose with civil war, who will be responsible for the death and destruction among Iran's 1,000,000 Christians? It's the same story as Iraq and Syria where the US government did the same thing.


If that happens, the people killing civilians will be responsible for killing civilians, unless one side pulls a Hamas and starts hiding behind them. Why do liberals always try so hard to find other parties to blame outside of the one actually taking the action?
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The U.S. is responsible for everything bad that happens in places they intervene, don'tcha know? Blockade Cuba because their government is oppressive and when the government persists in their oppression it's the U.S.'s fault they don't relinquish their oppression. When the Cuban government relinquishes their oppression it will be because of an epiphany by the government that freedom is better, and the remembrance will be the U.S. caused unnecessary suffering.

The U.S. intervened in Iran in 1953 to a democratically elected leader. They were the cause of the Shah's actions, not the Shah himself. And that led the overthrow of the Shah and the current oppression by the Islamic Republic! Ignoring that the democratically elected Prime Minister cancelled elections in the middle of counting, followers threatened assassinations of political rivals, the Prime Minister instituted dictatorial rule and THEN was ousted by the U.S. and Britain is wholly irrelevant to the story.


Muslim extremism and terrorism is caused by U.S. intervention. Just ignore that the U.S. was founded in 1776 and the book that encourages Muslim terrorism was written 1000 years prior and the narrative can flow chronologically at the beginning of time in the midst of the 20th century.

Maybe Islam is just a bad ideology to build a free country on.
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It's remarkable how many people fail to grasp that military campaigns unfold in phases.

Operations sequenced, objectives prioritized, and each stage sets conditions for the next.

American military planners probably understand that better than leftist reporters and instant experts on X.
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Blockade Cuba because their government is oppressive and when the government persists in their oppression it's the U.S.'s fault they don't relinquish their oppression. When the Cuban government relinquishes their oppression it will be because of an epiphany by the government that freedom is better, and the remembrance will be the U.S. caused unnecessary suffering.

What are talking about? The 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis?
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hph6203 said:

Maybe Islam is just a bad ideology to build a free country on.

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Current blockade. After the U.S. captured Maduro they stopped oil shipments to Cuba from Venezuela and threatened economic consequences for countries delivering oil to Cuba. Russia attempted to deliver oil, but was turned back by the U.S. Cuba had very little in the way of reserves, which has resulted in widespread blackouts for the last week. Food is not being delivered to cities as a consequence of a lack of fuel to deliver it. Cuban President announced negotiations with the U.S. this morning at 6:30 CT.

I'm gonna guess Rubio is going to be very soft with the Cuban government. Not like there's a person grudge to settle.
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J. Walter Weatherman said:

andrago94 said:

When we destroy the fabric of society in Iran and all hell breaks loose with civil war, who will be responsible for the death and destruction among Iran's 1,000,000 Christians? It's the same story as Iraq and Syria where the US government did the same thing.


If that happens, the people killing civilians will be responsible for killing civilians, unless one side pulls a Hamas and starts hiding behind them. Why do liberals always try so hard to find other parties to blame toutside of the one actually taking the action?

They'll blame everybody except that actual perps.

Oh those poor Islamists.
We made them murder the Christians.
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The only Christians killed in Gaza were killed by the US backed Israeli regime. The US backed Israeli regime killed a Catholic priest in Lebanon this week. The US backed Al Qaeda regime in Syria is currently killing Christians. 1,000,000 Christians and a handful of Jews live in Iran. They are currently being killed by US and Israeli bombs. Turn off CNN or Fox and join the real world.
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US foreign policy (Democrat and Republican) must have been written by a child. The US goes in wreaks havoc for years then leaves and accepts no responsibility for the consequences of its actions. Rinse and repeat.
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andrago94 said:

The only Christians killed in Gaza were killed by the US backed Israeli regime. The US backed Israeli regime killed a Catholic priest in Lebanon this week. The US backed Al Qaeda regime in Syria is currently killing Christians. 1,000,000 Christians and a handful of Jews live in Iran. They are currently being killed by US and Israeli bombs. Turn off CNN or Fox and join the real world.

The real world? I am sure your Catholic Newsletters are the real deal.

Gaza had 5000 Christians in 2005, and today it is less than 1000, and it has very little to do with "the US backed Israeli regime". It is the extremes of the local Islamist governments. It's ridiculous to ignore that.

The enemy of Christianity in the world is not Israel.

Wars kill people, and civilians do die. It is unfortunate and we try very hard to avoid it, but it does happen. It is likely that Christians, Jews, and everyone else in Iran will be better off under different rule. Let's not pretend, though, that the Islamic Regime is doing the Christian community any favors, especially considering they are exporting their version of Islamism around the world, making it harder for Christians in EVERY nation.
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The Islamic migration to the West began with the wars of the West on the Middle East. They are fleeing our bombs and now are exacting their revenge on our society. Another unintended consequence of our foolish and childish Middle Eastern wars.
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Do you believe the mullahs should be free to have / build nuclear weapons?
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your timeline is off by decades
God loves you so much He'll meet you where you are. He also loves you too much to allow to stay where you are.

We sing Hallelujah! The Lamb has overcome!
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The head mullah issued a fatwa against the development of nuclear weapons and has consistently called for a nuclear free Middle East. The US just assasinated him. I support his views against the proliferation of nuclear weapons. The West is not concerned with nuclear weapons, they just need an enemy to distract from Israel's Palestinian problem. Hence, the stupid "Iran is weeks away from a nuclear weapon" schtick we have heard endlessly since Israel decided to make Iran a pariah in the 90's.
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So you trust Iran more than Israeli or the US intelligence. Got it.
andrago94
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My timing is dead on

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Don't care. People who chant "Death to America" should enjoy a firey death. If that offends your sensebilities, I strongly reccomend you get over it.
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andrago94 said:

When we destroy the fabric of society in Iran and all hell breaks loose with civil war, who will be responsible for the death and destruction among Iran's 1,000,000 Christians? It's the same story as Iraq and Syria where the US government did the same thing.


Are you worried only about Christians? What about the Zoroastrians?
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they followed the pattern they always do. the same pattern over and over. their invasion started with all the education and medical students and professionals back in the 60s 70s and 80s.
eta: the only aberration is the accelerant when the western gvts decided to bring in masses to undermine their own populations. they should have left them in neighboring countries.
God loves you so much He'll meet you where you are. He also loves you too much to allow to stay where you are.

We sing Hallelujah! The Lamb has overcome!
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andrago94 said:

When we destroy the fabric of society in Iran and all hell breaks loose with civil war, who will be responsible for the death and destruction among Iran's 1,000,000 Christians? It's the same story as Iraq and Syria where the US government did the same thing.



It is/was a totalitarian fabric. Do you really think Christians in Iran were in any way safe or free under the Islamic regime over the past 47 years?

I don't know about now, but go over there six weeks ago and shout out that Jesus Christ is Lord and the only one true God in a public space and you wouldn't make it alive through the night. At least now there is a chance someday soon they will once again be free to worship and practice their faith without fearing for their lives.
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It's sad that you would rather see radical Islam, a stated enemy to all faiths, flourish and spread than have any alternatives that has, as a result, Israel defending itself as well. That's a level of hatred I find gross.
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Ignore him. Premium drive by poster.
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andrago94 said:

My timing is dead on


When are you saying they started coming exactly?
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Really began in the 80's and 90's with our involvement in the Iran/Iraq war. Our first Iraq war in the 91. Then later 90's with our backing of bin Ladenites in both the former Yugoslavia and the Caucasus.
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I care about all Iranians. That's why I oppose bombing and killing them. Do you?
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it's clear you dont care about all Iranians if you wanted that leadership to stay in place
God loves you so much He'll meet you where you are. He also loves you too much to allow to stay where you are.

We sing Hallelujah! The Lamb has overcome!
 
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