Political fallout and arguments regarding the US-Israeli action against Iran 022824

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hunter2012
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The best way to enact regime change, when the civilians' stomach rumble is louder than the IRGC's gunfire to maintain control. No boots on the ground are necessary(except maybe some green berets as advisors for insurgent proxies).
Dungeon Crawler Carl
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If those things are true, why is Israel preparing to attack Iran again?

Shouldn't Trump tell them to back off and let sanctions do their work?



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Israel is now again preparing for another direct strike on Iran without U.S. involvement, while the IDF is also preparing for renewed fighting with Hezbollah, per Israel Hayom.

The IDF is preparing independent operational options against Iran while also maintaining close intelligence and operational coordination with the U.S., with Israeli forces preparing for both a possible Iranian attack and a renewed escalation on the northern front.

The planning comes as the U.S. floods Israel with C-17 transport aircraft, with roughly 3,000 American troops already stationed across the country and Washington preparing to send additional troops and aircraft in the coming weeks. U.S. and Israeli forces are also coordinating for possible Iranian missile attacks on Israel and Jordan.

Another round of attacks could therefore become increasingly likely before the October 27 Israeli election.

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Probably to try and fully tip the apple cart without Trump having to take direct blame for attacking them.
AGHouston11
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

If those things are true, why is Israel preparing to attack Iran again?

Shouldn't Trump tell them to back off and let sanctions do their work?



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Israel is now again preparing for another direct strike on Iran without U.S. involvement, while the IDF is also preparing for renewed fighting with Hezbollah, per Israel Hayom.

The IDF is preparing independent operational options against Iran while also maintaining close intelligence and operational coordination with the U.S., with Israeli forces preparing for both a possible Iranian attack and a renewed escalation on the northern front.

The planning comes as the U.S. floods Israel with C-17 transport aircraft, with roughly 3,000 American troops already stationed across the country and Washington preparing to send additional troops and aircraft in the coming weeks. U.S. and Israeli forces are also coordinating for possible Iranian missile attacks on Israel and Jordan.

Another round of attacks could therefore become increasingly likely before the October 27 Israeli election.




He apparently couldn't get them to stop the first time which is the reason he's in this quagmire in the first place!
Keyno
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USS Theodore Roosevelt returning to the region. War is back on (after the mid terms)
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Keyno said:

USS Theodore Roosevelt returning to the region. War is back on (after the mid terms)


Ground war prediction?
Keyno
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YouBet said:

Keyno said:

USS Theodore Roosevelt returning to the region. War is back on (after the mid terms)


Ground war prediction?

Yooo I am happy you said that. I think there is another Marine "expeditionary force" including 4000 men are also in that package. I guess we will see
Eliminatus
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Keyno said:

YouBet said:

Keyno said:

USS Theodore Roosevelt returning to the region. War is back on (after the mid terms)


Ground war prediction?

Yooo I am happy you said that. I think there is another Marine "expeditionary force" including 4000 men are also in that package. I guess we will see


It's going to be "limited" ground action though. So, all good! Definitions refined again for the win!
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Keyno said:

YouBet said:

Keyno said:

USS Theodore Roosevelt returning to the region. War is back on (after the mid terms)


Ground war prediction?

Yooo I am happy you said that. I think there is another Marine "expeditionary force" including 4000 men are also in that package. I guess we will see

AGHouston11
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Keyno said:

USS Theodore Roosevelt returning to the region. War is back on (after the mid terms)


It's almost like there never was a plan other than they will give up
after air strikes.
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Keyno said:

YouBet said:

Keyno said:

USS Theodore Roosevelt returning to the region. War is back on (after the mid terms)


Ground war prediction?

Yooo I am happy you said that. I think there is another Marine "expeditionary force" including 4000 men are also in that package. I guess we will see


Just so we're clear for the record, not you specifically:

4000 men is not an invasion force, it's a plan to get slaughtered. Even if you unrealistically assume 100% of those are grunts (probably closer to 70%), that's less than a single brigade with very limited fires. Shinseki (rightly) estimated it would take 400k to subdue Iraqistan, and Iran is larger both in population and geographically, and Iraq didn't have the theocratic brainwashing (it was really pretty secular).

The only success of large-scale FID is the Northern Alliance in Afg, but that was a standing army that had been fighting since The Bear Went Over the Mountain. Expecting locals to rise up and fill a power vacuum is folly. There are large Sunni groups that would very possibly flood in and start the same sectarian cleansing that they did in Feb 2005
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So Abbott didn't even come to Trump rally in Texas?
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Nope. He met with a few folks in BCS instead
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Pakistan has directly joined the Saudi-led military campaign against Yemen's Houthis, with Pakistani Air Force fighter jets now reportedly conducting air strikes against Houthi targets, according to a senior Pakistani military official who spoke anonymously to The New York Times.

Around 8,000 Pakistani troops are already deployed in Saudi Arabia, including Air Force and Army air-defense personnel. Saudi Arabia has reportedly offered huge amounts of money to the Pakistani leadership.

Oil is also climbing as the fighting spreads across the region, with Brent crude reaching above $102 a barrel and WTI near $92.

Those Paki troops better get busy or this whole Petro dollar thing might come to an end......
Dungeon Crawler Carl
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Shouldn't Trump get a Declaration of War before this happens? The 90 days from the War Powers Act are over for a while now.

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The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (often called the War Powers Act) is a federal law designed to limit the U.S. president's ability to commit military forces to armed conflict without the consent of Congress. [1, 2]

Key Rules and Provisions
  • 48-Hour Notification: The president must tell Congress within 48 hours of sending U.S. troops into action or building up combat-equipped forces abroad. [1, 2]
  • 60-Day Time Limit: Troops can stay for up to 60 calendar days without direct congressional approval, plus an extra 30 days if needed safely to withdraw the military. [1, 2]
  • Congressional Action: After the 60-day window, the president must pull the troops back unless Congress declares war, passes a specific authorization (AUMF), or is unable to meet because of an attack on the U.S.


Im Gipper
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The War Powers Act is unconstitutional.

HTH.

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