Political fallout and arguments regarding the US-Israeli action against Iran 022824

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samurai_science said:

https://www.outkick.com/betting/kalshi-owes-bettors-54-million-ayatollah-khameneis-death-claims-doesnt-have-pay

Kalshi Owes Bettors $54 Million On Ayatollah Khamenei's Death, But Claims It Doesn't Have To Pay


Let's see how brazen the inside profiteers are. Will they sue and let their corruption be known?
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deddog said:


It's cute how the International Order pigs are all squealing

Yep, the same countries that decry Russia but buy their energy and fund their warmongering. The same countries who always illegally trade with oppressive middle eastern despots. The same countries who depend on us for defense, yet constantly talk **** about us.
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hph6203 said:

Not reading the stipulations on payout terms isn't really an excuse to be upset. Making a $60k bet on something you didn't read the rules for is incredibly stupid. They didn't change the rules, the bettors became aware of the rules after they posted a highlighting of the rule during the period between the bombing and the official announcement of his death.

Kalshi should be more transparent, but it was not a bait and switch. Being a degen has negative consequences.


People need to quit betting on any and everything. Dumb.
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Boeing closing in on a big CCP order, despite the 'troubles' this war has caused China is interesting.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-03-06/boeing-said-to-be-close-to-500-jet-order-with-trump-xi-summit
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Multiple independent, reputable news outlets are reporting that the US was likely responsible for the missle strike on a girls Elementary school. The political fallout from this will (or should) be huge.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-investigation-points-likely-us-responsibility-iran-school-strike-sources-say-2026-03-06/
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Exclusive: US investigation points to likely US responsibility in Iran school strike, sources say

U.S. military investigators believe it is likely that U.S. forces were responsible for an apparent strike on an Iranian girls' school that killed scores of children on Saturday but have not yet reached a final conclusion or completed their investigation, two U.S. officials told Reuters.



https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iran-us-school-strike-07d8ffac?st=LfKESJ
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U.S. military investigators think American forces likely were responsible for a strike that killed dozens of children at a girls elementary school in Iran, a U.S. official said. The investigation hasn't reached a final conclusion, the official said.

Shajarah Tayyebeh Girls' School, in the town of Minab near the Strait of Hormuz, was hit Saturday on the first day of the U.S.-Israeli air campaign in what appears to be the deadliest strike of the war. Iran said more than 160 people were killed, including many children, a figure that couldn't be independently verified.

The school is located on the edge of a compound linked to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, an elite branch of Iran's armed forces, according to an analysis of images by The Wall Street Journal. There are indications the school building had previously been used as an IRGC headquarters, the official said.

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said this week that the U.S. is investigating the strike. The U.S. official cautioned that the investigation was in its early stages. A U.S. Central Command spokesperson declined to comment on the incident.
Reuters first reported that U.S. officials believed the U.S. military was likely responsible for the incident at the school.

The U.S. hasn't publicly acknowledged that its forces struck the compound. Gen. Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Wednesday that the U.S. carried out strikes along the southern coast of Iran to degrade its naval and missile capabilities before bringing its offensive further inland.
Iran has blamed both the U.S. and Israel for the strike. While the U.S. and Israel are coordinating their actions in Iran, they are largely operating in different geographical areas. An Israeli military official said the military was looking into the school incident but wasn't aware of an Israeli strike in that area.

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Investigators likely will be looking for one of three kinds of mistakes that could have caused the incidentintelligence failure, munition failure or human error, said former U.S. and Israeli military officials.

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The Balochistan Human Rights Documentation Network, a regional rights group, said it verified the names and ages of 57 victims, including 50 students and seven teachers. The students were between the ages of six and 12, the group said.

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The school in the middle of a military compound? That one?

Its terrible, but, ****ty things happen in conflicts such as this.

It wasnt 3 weeks ago when the Iranian regime killed of 30000 of their own people, women and children included, for having the audacity to question dear leader.
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BBC Persian is very close to being propaganda for the Islamic republic.
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Anybody have that article. There's a lot of Persian word and phrases that don't translate well into English. Th literal translation makes no sense
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Just stumbled across this one. Australian vlogger went to Tehran 11 months ago. Most people are wearing western clothing. Jeans, T shirts, tennis shoes. Women still have scarves to cover their hair. A lot of people speak English, more than I would have thought. Back then one USD was worth 800,000 rials on the black market and cannot use US money nor Euros in Iran.

I found it interesting. Also, I do now more strongly believe that a transition government under the Crown Prince has a good shot at succeeding because they are more Westernized than I thought.

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Trump also can't be saying this. This coming on same day Reza Pahlavi declares himself the transitional leader to bring democracy.

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Dan Scott said:

Trump also can't be saying this. This coming on same day Reza Pahlavi declares himself the transitional leader to bring democracy.



Why does that bother you? Did you listen to Pahlavi's address about his plans for his transition government?
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More Western Media doing the work of the Iranian government.
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Dan Scott said:

Trump also can't be saying this. This coming on same day Reza Pahlavi declares himself the transitional leader to bring democracy.




True or not that simply reinforces Trump's four objectives he's already laid out which do not include regime change. Whether they become a democracy or not is up to the Iranian people. He's just giving them the means to do so, if they choose to.
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Dan Scott said:

Trump also can't be saying this. This coming on same day Reza Pahlavi declares himself the transitional leader to bring democracy.




Its clear that Trump and his administration are not trying to spread democracy. Not in iran. Not in Venezuela. Not in cuba.

This isnt old neo con democracy spreading. Theyve determined thats what gets yiu stuck somewhere
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Because this is looking like the very definition of blowback. Iran is 90M people. And there is no unifying leader when this is all done. Pahlavi does not the support of majority. Trump is saying he'll have influence on the guy and doesn't care if it's democratic or theocracy. Reports of Kurds maybe getting involved and their reward will be taking claiming a chunk of present day Iran. All the while, people are living under bombardment. There's really nothing for the 90M to rally around.

This is messy and after a week, not clear what's to happen.
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True or not that simply reinforces Trump's four objectives he's already laid out which do not include regime change. Whether they become a democracy or not is up to the Iranian people. He's just giving them the means to do so, if they choose to.

Our Constitution had to be ratified by the states through a vote. Whatever form Iran's new Constitution takes is up to the Iranian voters.

What is wrong with that? Nothing.
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Pezeshkian is the best option. Duly elected and would have popular support of Iranians
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Who?mikejones! said:

Dan Scott said:

Trump also can't be saying this. This coming on same day Reza Pahlavi declares himself the transitional leader to bring democracy.




Its clear that Trump and his administration are not trying to spread democracy. Not in iran. Not in Venezuela. Not in cuba.

This isnt old neo con democracy spreading. Theyve determined thats what gets yiu stuck somewhere


I think this is a valid point. He seems to have at least learned that nation building led by the US on the ground is futile while still very willing to take your ass out if you don't play nice. It's a new doctrine. However, I feel like he will be more hands on with Cuba post collapse simply because we have such heavy ties with them already. He jokingly(?) said today that he's going to put Rubio over Cuba.

Also, will note that we resumed diplomatic relations with VZ today, BTW.
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Dan Scott said:

Because this is looking like the very definition of blowback. Iran is 90M people. And there is no unifying leader when this is all done. Pahlavi does not the support of majority. Trump is saying he'll have influence on the guy and doesn't care if it's democratic or theocracy. Reports of Kurds maybe getting involved and their reward will be taking claiming a chunk of present day Iran. All the while, people are living under bombardment. There's really nothing for the 90M to rally around.

This is messy and after a week, not clear what's to happen.


What blowback? By who?
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Point is, i dont think he gives a rats ass what type of govt any particular nation has, so long as that govt is friendly to us and not china
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JP_Losman said:

Pezeshkian is the best option. Duly elected and would have popular support of Iranians

Iranian people do not want him.
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They aren't going to rally around what comes out of the U.S. President's mouth.
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Who?mikejones! said:

Point is, i dont think he gives a rats ass what type of govt any particular nation has, so long as that govt is friendly to us and not china


Correct. And I have no issue with it. It's the right way to approach other countries, frankly.

Feel free to embrace your ****hole culture but the second you infringe on our interests or start poking us then you should expect an overwhelming response.
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Hassan Rouhani I think is the best solution. He's pragmatic.
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Aren't all of the middle eastern countries still monarchies?

Is it possible to have a non-theocracy and non-monarchy take over, non-communist, but an actual democracy or republic or parliament system take over?

Won't the new government if it's not a theocracy be in an immediate civil war with the radical Muslims that were just taken out of power?
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bmks270 said:

Aren't all of the middle eastern countries still monarchies?

Is it possible to have a non-theocracy and non-monarchy take over, non-communist, but an actual democracy or republic or parliament system take over?

Won't the new government if it's not a theocracy be in an immediate civil war with the radical Muslims that were just taken out of power?

Egypt is not a monarchy. Dictatorship but not monarchy. Iranians will have the opportunity to decide their form of government by voting. Democracy? Republic? Monarchy? Monarchy with Parliamentary system? Hybrid of the last?
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aggiehawg said:

bmks270 said:

Aren't all of the middle eastern countries still monarchies?

Is it possible to have a non-theocracy and non-monarchy take over, non-communist, but an actual democracy or republic or parliament system take over?

Won't the new government if it's not a theocracy be in an immediate civil war with the radical Muslims that were just taken out of power?

Egypt is not a monarchy. Dictatorship but not monarchy. Iranians will have the opportunity to decide their form of government by voting. Democracy? Republic? Monarchy? Monarchy with Parliamentary system? Hybrid of the last?


There simply seems to not be much democracy in the Middle East. And the people there are accustomed to it.

Disarming Iran seems necessary, but there isn't any certainty that the government that exists after its disarmed will be any friendlier, only that they'll be decades behind in military arms.
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JP_Losman said:

Pezeshkian is the best option. Duly elected and would have popular support of Iranians

Do you know how the "elections" occurred during the regime? All candidates were approved by the supreme leader, I doubt he has as much popular support as you suggest
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Dan Scott said:

Because this is looking like the very definition of blowback. Iran is 90M people. And there is no unifying leader when this is all done. Pahlavi does not the support of majority. Trump is saying he'll have influence on the guy and doesn't care if it's democratic or theocracy. Reports of Kurds maybe getting involved and their reward will be taking claiming a chunk of present day Iran. All the while, people are living under bombardment. There's really nothing for the 90M to rally around.

This is messy and after a week, not clear what's to happen.


Messy? Give me a break. Sit on the bench and come back in six weeks

Ridiculous post
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Schiff pulled offsides by Maher.

Disagree with Maher ideologically, but the dude knows dumb when he sees it.



 
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