Political fallout and arguments regarding the US-Israeli action against Iran 022824

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nortex97
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They're not really blocking it because they lack the capacity to do so, but they have struck one tanker and traffic has slowed due to financial risks mainly.

I just don't expect the Iranians to be able to sustain a real and substantive anti-shipping capacity. Some may disagree, which is fine.
nortex97
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Thank you, fellow Trump voters/Americans, for saving us from this.
Kansas Kid
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I just don't see what tankers are going to take the risk (or get insurance) until the conflict is over. Hitting one tanker already (ironically one that was sanctioned likely carrying Iranian oil) is likely enough to essentially close it even if Iran doesn't mine it, use swift attack boats or drones to further restrict shipments.

That is why I think this action could cause a significant reaction in this country if gasoline prices (and natural gas) spike higher over the next few weeks. I don't have any idea how high it could go but taking 20mm barrels a day off the global market is a big concern.
bobbranco
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Queso1 said:

Any plan as to who will govern 90 million people? What percentage of those are loyal to the regime?


Not the now dead Ayatollah freak. If another Ayatollah freak is installed then decapitation again.

Whack-a-ayatollah is fun.
Texas12&0
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Kansas Kid said:

It is already effectively closed because tanker owners won't take the risk. This has always been a concern in a conflict with Iran. Shipments greatly dropped through the Red Sea because of the Houthis and that is a lot larger distance to attack with a less capable Iranian proxy. As for how they could do it, have you not seen Iran drones hitting bases and cities a lot further away?

ETA. Historically, blocking Hormuz by Iran was a bad economic decision because they would also lose their oil exports but with their facility already out of action, they don't stand to lose much by blocking it now.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/oil-gas-majors-traders-suspend-shipments-via-hormuz-us-attacks-iran-sources-say-2026-02-28/

June 2022 regular $4.69 per gallon here in College Station. Yesterday I filled up at $2.35. We good.
bobbranco
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FobTies said:

You think the Third Reich's threat to the UK is the same as Iran's threat to the US.

Do you live in a vacuum?
BMX Bandit
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aggiedata
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G Martin 87
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Kansas Kid said:

If the Straight of Hormuz is blocked for weeks and gas price go to $4.50+ a gallon, it will be interesting to see how the bulk of this country reacts.
It won't be "interesting." It will be boring and predictable. It will be the same shrill, compromised politicians and their useful idiot followers complaining about Orange Man because the midterms are coming. How is that interesting?
Who?mikejones!
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You serious bro? Are you suggesting there were not celebratory gatherings in LA?
FobTies
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bobbranco said:

FobTies said:

You think the Third Reich's threat to the UK is the same as Iran's threat to the US.

Do you live in a vacuum?

How ironic this statement is. There are many reasons to strike Iran, being a nuke threat isnt one of them. But nuke gaslighting is extremely effective at drawing support from millions of Americans living in the vacuum. It worked against Saddam, Kim Jung, Ayatollah etc. Just like the sheep got convinced "narco terrorism" was the real reason to snatch Maduro. No one wants to get nuked or poisoned with drugs.


ttu_85
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BMX Bandit said:

Carlson Tucker

Carlson Tucker has gone insane, or is it insanely greedy. Hard to tell. I've had it with this sell-out, traitorous, Muzzy butt licking ass clown. His meltdown into the abyss has been tragic and yet stunning to behold.

ttu_85
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FobTies said:

bobbranco said:

FobTies said:

You think the Third Reich's threat to the UK is the same as Iran's threat to the US.

Do you live in a vacuum?

How ironic this statement is. There are many reasons to strike Iran, being a nuke threat isnt one of them. But nuke gaslighting is extremely effective at drawing support from millions of Americans living in the vacuum. It worked against Saddam, Kim Jung, Ayatollah etc. Just like the sheep got convinced "narco terrorism" was the real reason to snatch Maduro. No one wants to get nuked or poisoned with drugs.




why are you bombing this entire site over multiple threads with this same idiotic post. Troll, Troll, Troll your boat. This has bot written all over it.
FobTies
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There are thousands of posts on F16 about needing to strike Iran due to an imminent nuke threat. The sad thing is those arent bots. Just brainwashed Americans. When confronted with evidence of the played out gaslighting, they stick head in sand and write off as bots. Irony. Idiocracy.
ttu_85
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FobTies said:

There are thousands of posts on F16 about needing to strike Iran due to an imminent nuke threat. The sad thing is those arent bots. Just brainwashed Americans. When confronted with evidence of the played out gaslighting, they stick head in sand and write off as bots. Irony. Idiocracy.

Brain washed by who ? By what criteria? based on what sources? Your opinion or your fav pod cast or youtube channel

No thanks I'll used my judgement and 50 years of Iranian history of violence, terrorism, and oppression to form my opinions. The crap you post is less than useless.

bobbranco
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FobTies said:

bobbranco said:

FobTies said:

You think the Third Reich's threat to the UK is the same as Iran's threat to the US.

Do you live in a vacuum?

How ironic this statement is. There are many reasons to strike Iran, being a nuke threat isnt one of them. But nuke gaslighting is extremely effective at drawing support from millions of Americans living in the vacuum. It worked against Saddam, Kim Jung, Ayatollah etc. Just like the sheep got convinced "narco terrorism" was the real reason to snatch Maduro. No one wants to get nuked or poisoned with drugs.





Enjoy the vacuum.
Ellis Wyatt
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Tucker Carlson is a bought mouthpiece. He's lying for money.
bobbranco
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Ellis Wyatt said:

Tucker Carlson is a bought mouthpiece. He's lying for money.

Useful idiot he is.
Im Gipper
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Quote:

confronted with evidence


LOL.

You have posted ZERO evidence that Irans nuclear ambitions are not a reason for for the strikes.

Just more of the same claptrap from last year. Anti-Israel disguised as isolationism.

I'm Gipper
Dave Robicheaux
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Operation Epic fury + Operation Roaring lion
infinity ag
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Great job with Iran.

Now do Pakistan!
nortex97
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Canadians are hit with political propaganda non-stop by their state media.

Mark Warner, who somehow sits on the intelligence committee, argues Trump should have undertaken this action in January, all the while ignoring what we all know now, that it took a tremendous build up of forces, planning, and a gathering of senior Iranian officials in one place to kick this off.

Typical democrat.
TRM
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Ellis Wyatt
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Mark Warner is a traitor. He should be removed from that committee and prosecuted for his role in Russia gate and the other subversion that he took part in during Trump's first term. He lied to the American people to prevent them from getting the governance they voted for.

He is not C in C and should shut the **** up.
TRM
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FobTies
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Brainwashed by the same powers that gaslit on Trump Russia collusion, Hunter laptop, COVID wet market, Maduro drug deaths, etc. The left is way worse, and libs way more susceptible. But it happens on the right to a much lesser degree. Typically, its to gain support from the masses for military action or some type of major gov spending. Im sorry this is offensive to so many on F16.

It would be much more productive to flesh out all the geopolitical angles below the surface. But we never get there because its we cant get past the "nuclear holocaust" fear mongering. I thought the clip posted of Ben Net might help, but it obviously went right over everyone's head.

Agian, beating a dead horse on all that. So I'll just join yall in hoping the cost benefit plays out in our favor this time around. Its still possible at this early stage.
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It's just strange we give Israel billions a year for nothing. They are a leech to the American taxpayer. We were told it was for the best intelligence in the world then they let 3,000 hamas fighters attack across the most secure border in the world. I hope we aren't relying on them to keep America safe.

Next we are told the billions of dollars a year is so Israel can defend itself but they needed us in June to hit a underground bunker. They need us to wage war with Iran this is not a good return on investment if we give them billions year because they fight our so called enemies.

I just don't get it why one country would hold so much power over the United States. What do we get out of being Israel big brother that pays for everything and fights the bad guys for him?
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Texas12&0
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Haleyscomet50 said:

It's just strange we give Israel billions a year for nothing. They are a leech to the American taxpayer. We were told it was for the best intelligence in the world then they let 3,000 hamas fighters attack across the most secure border in the world. I hope we aren't relying on them to keep America safe.

Next we are told the billions of dollars a year is so Israel can defend itself but they needed us in June to hit a underground bunker. They need us to wage war with Iran this is not a good return on investment if we give them billions year because they fight our so called enemies.

I just don't get it why one country would hold so much power over the United States. What do we get out of being Israel big brother that pays for everything and fights the bad guys for him?

They don't hold power over us, homes. Their interests align with ours for a peaceful ME.
As a MAGA dude I don't buy the "they'll have nukes within days or weeks" line. What I do know is that Iranian regime constantly destabilized the ME. As reported, I do believe they were stockpiling more missiles for the next round of attacks on Israel and our bases. I do know they've been responsible for thousands of American deaths over the last 5 decades. It has to stop and now we have a President willing to do what's necessary. The Israeli and Iranian people approve of our actions. Our "friendly" Arab Allies in the region approve. I believe most Americans approve, as well. Perhaps we can save some money in the coming years with a peaceful ME. Worth a shot. What we were doing wasn't working.
nortex97
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Yes, it's real.

Too ironic for me to even point out all of the fallacies/contradictions for this clown to assert, after he was HRC's running mate. She literally ran a business selling influence at the state department and causing/supporting wars far and wide as Sec. of State. To say nothing of her husband bombing an aspirin factory to take the light off of his intern scandal.
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Kansas Kid said:

If the Straight of Hormuz is blocked for weeks and gas price go to $4.50+ a gallon, it will be interesting to see how the bulk of this country reacts.



So you are saying we should tolerate decades of despots to keep oil prices down. How neo-capitalist of you.
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Im Gipper said:

Quote:

confronted with evidence


LOL.

You have posted ZERO evidence that Irans nuclear ambitions are not a reason for for the strikes.

Just more of the same claptrap from last year. Anti-Israel disguised as isolationism.


They were just days away from having a weapon. Apparently this works every time for 30+ years.
Geminiv
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Burdizzo said:

Kansas Kid said:

If the Straight of Hormuz is blocked for weeks and gas price go to $4.50+ a gallon, it will be interesting to see how the bulk of this country reacts.



So you are saying we should tolerate decades of despots to keep oil prices down. How neo-capitalist of you.


Are we going to go get the rest of them now?
RINO Safari
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President Trump's action on Venezuela and Iran are what is going to make me vote for him a fourth time in 2028. The man doesn't care what anybody thinks and just gets things done. He deserves his name everywhere, but the the radical left will never give him credit. Good Trump.
Ellis Wyatt
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Keir Starmer is, in fact, a wanker.
 
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