Ok, so you "dont care" about gov lying if its regarding a legit gov function, like war. I care about gov lying and gaslightng all the time. So do many others like Charlie Kirk who was against the US fighting Israel's Iran war, and skeptics like Matt Walsh still consistently criticizing the gaslighting:

So far we’ve heard that although we killed the whole Iranian regime, this was not a regime change war. And although we obliterated their nuclear program, we had to do this because of their nuclear program. And although Iran was not planning any attacks on the US, they also might…

— Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) March 2, 2026

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Ok, so you "dont care" about gov lying if its a legit gov function, like war. I care about gov lying and gaslightng all the time.

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I guess I can't think of a time when it didn't and don't expect something to happen that has never happened. I want people to drop money off on my doorstep every day, but it's never happened before, and I have no reason to expect it to start tomorrow.

Insert moving the goal posts gif

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I would have gone over there 6 weeks ago and caught a subway at the brand new subway station in Tehran they just opened that is dedicated to the Blessed Virgin Mary. I've seen pictures online, it's beautiful! Would our government allow that here??

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I can't believe one person starred this post.

I'm a member of Rock Creek Church in Prosper and one of our missions is broadcasting the gospel through satellite transmissions into millions of homes in Iran. It's called Iran Alive.

We have to use satellite because that's the only way to get into people's homes because the internet and all other forms of communication are controlled by the regime (hopefully that changes soon).

There are countless stories of Christians having to flee and escape due to the brutality of that regime, especially women of faith. I'm appalled that there is anyone, especially an Aggie, defending them.

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Trump says all military targets all are obliterated but the Straits Hormuz are still closed and oil is $100/barrel

What is Trumps end game? Iran still has upper hand as long as they control the oil flow they deny everybody else

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Iran controls NOTHING,
We are just not denying shipping unlike the Iranians. But we absolutely can.

So initially, it was said that Risk/insurance companies weren;t covering these ships.
So who's covering the Indian and Chinese ships through?

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Iran controls nothing? Then US elected to jack up price of oil?


Economically Iran has control.

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Can the Iranians stop us from sinking their ships?
Can the Iranians stop us from sinking their clients ships?
Do you think Iran can stop us from obliterating Kharg Island?
Do you think Iran can stop us from taking over Kharg island?

If the answer is yes to to any of these questions (which it is to most observers) then it follows that Iran controls nothing.
Now they are denying (temporarily) ships passing. Give it a few days, and once we start convoying that will change too.

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Bellard said:

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Trump says all military targets all are obliterated but the Straits Hormuz are still closed and oil is $100/barrel

What is Trumps end game? Iran still has upper hand as long as they control the oil flow they deny everybody else

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Iran controls NOTHING,
We are just not denying shipping unlike the Iranians. But we absolutely can.

So initially, it was said that Risk/insurance companies weren;t covering these ships.
So who's covering the Indian and Chinese ships through?

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Iran controls nothing? Then US elected to jack up price of oil?


Economically Iran has control.

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Can the Iranians stop us from sinking their ships?
Can the Iranians stop us from sinking their clients ships?
Do you think Iran can stop us from obliterating Kharg Island?
Do you think Iran can stop us from taking over Kharg island?

If the answer is yes to to any of these questions (which it is to most observers) then it follows that Iran controls nothing.

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Iran controls nothing but Trump is currently groveling for other countries to send ships there to help out? OK sure.

[You can make your point without being disrespectful to others -- Staff]

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Wars don't move on the whims of internet posters.

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Last week calling this "US military excursion in Iran" a "war", meant you had TDS. So everyone here is now ok with calling this a "war"? Just not a "regime change war"....yet. Its only a "regime change war" if we spend 100s of billions to put a Western friendly leader in charge. Merely replacing with another younger radical Muslim is good, and not "regime change"?

On F16, we see folks cry about gays getting thrown off roofs in one breath, and joke about Iranian school girls getting "vaporized" in the next. Potent second hand war smoke is in the air.

Unfortunately this internet/social media dynamic just pushes us further into Idiocracy. Its becomes a sport, game on, my IG snippets vs yours. Who cares if gov is lying. This is team red's war. You are either for us or against us.

We can do better.

It's not as absolute as you try to paint it. I'm reluctant to see us get into military conflicts and believe it should be a last resort. In this situation, the Iranians have proved for decades they are a source of evil in the middle East and have actively promoted terrorism that has killed thousands upon thousands of people, including Americans.

I have supported ongoing efforts by many US administrations to keep them from getting nuclear weapons. The Iranians have already shown they are crazy as they previously launched missiles at Israel unprovoked. I say unprovoked, because Israel defending themselves against Palestinian terrorism is no excuse for Iran to launch missiles into Israel.

Sometime, people are just evil and the only option to resolve the threat is to defeat them militarily. In simple words, kill them and remove their ability to hurt others. Hitler, Saddam Hussein... and the Iranian mullahs. The US under many administrations tried to negotiate with them first, but it was painfully obvious the Iranians weren't interested in coexisting peacefully with other nations.

So here we are. God speed to our troops and allies. I hope they totally dismantle the Iranians' ability to harm others. Call it whatever word you want... war, military action... whatever, but I consider it a last resort option that we were forced to confront. The alternative of letting them reach even higher levels of missiles, drones, and eventually nuclear weapons was unacceptable.

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I care about all Iranians. That's why I oppose bombing and killing them. Do you?

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I care about Iranians too. But "I oppose bombings" is a naive simplistic take. I cannot look into Trump's mind but sometimes you need to wage war to get rid of certain people in order to bring about long term benefits for the Iranians. Short term pain vs long term benefit. It is not an easy choice and I don't think Trump wants to see people dying. If he is able to overthrow the mullah layer and turn Iran to a democracy, it will be for the better long term for both Iranians and everyone else.

Ok, if it was as simple as "defeat evil with military action", id be in. So would everyone except the Illan Omars.

The reality is that its more like how many years and 100s of billions will be spent to rebuild Israel? After that debt is added to the US taxpayer balance sheet, its almost certain Iran is still a radical Muslim nation with leadership that hates the US and wants to wipe Israel off the map. Thats why the WH has shifted to the "we stopped a nuke Holocaust" hypothetical. Bc they know Iran will remain an evil "death to Israel" nation regardless.

Pretty crazy you are using Iraq as an example to justify this war. People think Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, and COVID are all events in the rear-view mirror. We are struggling just to pay the interest on that debt. But this new Israel war debt is kosher. Its just Trump exterminating filthy Muslim vermin...nothing more. Lets check back in on that.

The very best possible outcome is a Trump cut and run, throw Bibi under bus, blame Iranian civilians, then chalk up as a Trump victory for preventing the inevitable ME nuke Holocaust. I hope that happens, because the alternatives are all much worse.

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sometimes you need to wage war to get rid of certain people in order to bring about long term benefits for the Iranians. Short term pain vs long term benefit.

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Let Israel and Iran pay for their own rebuilding.

And cut government spending back to 17% of GDP that aligns with the historical trendline of tax receipts.

No more free stuff. People need to pay for their own college, healthcare, i-phones, and retirement.

This is an interesting development. I'm not sure why Canada would want these individuals in their country


https://pjmedia.com/tim-o-brien/2026/03/14/is-the-iranian-regime-relocating-to-canada-n4950644

A portion of your income will go to rebuilding Israel and restocking US munitions. Nothing you can do about it. The only question is how much. And that depends on how long this Iran war goes.

You cant liberate the Iranian people without an extensive regime change war. So thats off the table. The only salvagable narrative at this point is "we prevented nuke Holocaust" gaslighting, and some type of oil trade ROI.

Midnight Hammer was pretty clear cut and US intel fully backed it. Epic Fury was a totally different gamble. The only way out is Trump throwing Bibi and Iranian civilians under the bus. The sooner that happens, the better.

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A portion of your income will go to rebuilding Israel and restocking US munitions. Nothing you can do about it. The only question is how much. And that depends on how long this Iran war goes.

You cant liberate the Iranian people without an extensive regime change war. So thats off the table. The only salvagable narrative at this point is "we prevented nuke Holocaust" gaslighting, and some type of oil trade ROI.

Midnight Hammer was pretty clear cut and US intel fully backed it. Epic Fury was a totally different gamble. The only way out is Trump throwing Bibi and Iranian civilians under the bus. The sooner that happens, the better.

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60 Days max.....

It's asymmetric risk. No one ever looked stupid for opposing a war. Everyone that supports one either looks smart or stupid, there is no middle path. They either go well or they go poorly.

Don't even have to engage with the details, fire up your brain assess opportunities and risks, just I don't like war and in 3 years it's either I was right, or I was wrong. If in 10 years Iran has a nuclear weapon the claim will be it occurred because we engaged in this action rather than it was an inevitability and we didn't go hard enough to stop it.

The oil shocks will end up being routine. They will create havoc as a leverage point to demand what they desire. This past week will look quaint by comparison and you've suddenly strengthened China beyond their wildest dreams.

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Well, the last place I would look for credible analyses of absolutely anything Trump has done/planned would be the NYT.

What we are actually focusing on right now:

Gen. Dan Caine: "In just the first 13 days of this operation, our artillery forces have made history. They fired the first precision strike missiles ever used in combat, reaching deep into enemy territory. They've used Army ATACMS to sink multiple ships, including a submarine." pic.twitter.com/pp9TR2GA0Q

— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) March 13, 2026

Traffic thru the strait will re-open substantially once escorts are available in a week or so. I think Maersk set the 21st as their tentative date.

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Wait...

WTF???? They used ATACMS on SHIPS and SUBS????

That was not something I ever expected when I worked on the development of that missile in the early 90s...

It's just another talking point.

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This is an interesting development. I'm not sure why Canada would want these individuals in their country


https://pjmedia.com/tim-o-brien/2026/03/14/is-the-iranian-regime-relocating-to-canada-n4950644

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We should drone them in Canada. Canada is not really our ally currently.

GeorgiAg said:

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I feel this is my duty to get the thread going. (I dint give a crap about Iran)

Remember that I predicted a long time ago that President Obama will attack Iran because of his inability to negotiate properly-not skilled!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 11, 2013

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To be fair, if Obama had negotiated better we wouldnt be flattening them right now, so he's partially correct.

Iran is closing the Strait of Hormuz for a military exercise. Imagine what they will do with nukes?!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 14, 2011

WAR: Trump was right in 1988, “I’d be harsh on Iran. They’ve been beating us psychologically, making us look a bunch of fools. One bullet shot at one of our men or ships and I’d do a number on Kharg Island. I’d go in and take it. Iran can’t even beat Iraq, yet they push the… pic.twitter.com/96h9T9F2cl

— @amuse (@amuse) March 15, 2026

President Trump said he would do this back in 1988.

He was locked in. pic.twitter.com/SgpgO37qfv

— Steve Guest (@SteveGuest) March 14, 2026

“Yeah, so in forty years I’m going to bomb Kharg Island and overthrow the Iranian regime. It’s going to be yuge.” pic.twitter.com/tmtOq8zkWQ

— Gordo (@GordoCDA) March 14, 2026

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And what does Murphy do? The same Chris Murphy who said you must not undermine negotiations while they're happening? He goes on television. He goes to Iran International, which the Iranians are watching, and he calls Trump a liar. Says he has no idea what Trump is trying to achieve. Says most of what Trump says isn't real. He pushes war powers resolutions to tie the President's hands. He's out there broadcasting American division to the entire world... to Iran, to our allies, to everybody... while the United States is sitting at the table trying to close a deal that could've avoided all of this. All of it.

And it gets worse. Murphy secretly met with Iran's foreign minister, Javad Zarif, back in 2020. Secretly. Behind everyone's back. During Trump's first term. So he'll freelance with the Mullahs, but he won't support his own country's negotiating position when it matters. Think about that.

Iran watched all of this. They watched Murphy trash America's leverage in real time. They saw the division. They stalled. They rejected every core demand. Zero enrichment? No. Ship out the uranium? No. Dismantle the facilities? Absolutely not. And the talks collapsed. They collapsed because Iran believed... correctly, unfortunately... that they didn't have to make a deal because half of Washington was working against the other half. And Murphy was leading the charge.

So the only card left was the military card. The very thing Murphy warned about in 2014. The very thing he said would happen if politicians undermined negotiations. He predicted the mess. Then he spent a year engineering the mess. Then the military option becomes necessary, and now he's on NPR calling the war "incoherent." Now he's calling Trump senile. Now he wants to block all Senate business and defund the operation. The man who helped make the war inevitable is now complaining about the war. Incredible.

And by the way... this is the same guy they're floating for 2028. That's their big idea. A senator from Connecticut who sabotaged his own country's diplomacy, sided with Iran's talking points, and now wants to be President. Good luck with that, Chris. Good luck.

You have to ask the question. At what point does undermining your own country's foreign policy in the middle of the most sensitive, most high-stakes, most consequential negotiations in decades... at what point does that stop being opposition and start being something else? Because the people of Connecticut deserve better, the people of this country deserve better, and our incredible warriors now in harm's way... including the 13 who lost their lives because diplomacy failed... they sure as hell deserve better than Chris Murphy.

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— Apple Lamps (@lamps_apple) March 15, 2026

Democrats hate America and want it to fall/fail. This seditious clown will probably yet again be on the sunday talk shows this am, and this horrific pattern of conduct is precisely why he is a consideration to be on their 2028 ticket.

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I feel this is my duty to get the thread going. (I dint give a crap about Iran)

Remember that I predicted a long time ago that President Obama will attack Iran because of his inability to negotiate properly-not skilled!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 11, 2013

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To be fair, if Obama had negotiated better we wouldnt be flattening them right now, so he's partially correct.

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I know people hate to hear this, but Obama had a deal with Iran that everyone was happy with. Iran had 24/7 inspections and did not have a nuclear weapons program. The entire reason we are currently doing another ME war is because Trump tore up the JCPOA in 2018.

People forget, during Obama's terms, Israel was trying to get him to go to war with Iran but he refused. Israel also tried to get Bush to go to war with Iran and he refused. They were using the same casus belli then as they did now- Iran is weeks away from a nuke. Only Trump was gullible enough to buy it apparently.

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GeorgiAg said:

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I feel this is my duty to get the thread going. (I dint give a crap about Iran)

Remember that I predicted a long time ago that President Obama will attack Iran because of his inability to negotiate properly-not skilled!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 11, 2013

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To be fair, if Obama had negotiated better we wouldnt be flattening them right now, so he's partially correct.

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I know people hate to hear this, but Obama had a deal with Iran that everyone was happy with. Iran had 24/7 inspections and did not have a nuclear weapons program. The entire reason we are currently doing another ME war is because Trump tore up the JCPOA in 2018.

People forget, during Obama's terms, Israel was trying to get him to go to war with Iran but he refused. Israel also tried to get Bush to go to war with Iran and he refused. They were using the same casus belli then as they did now- Iran is weeks away from a nuke. Only Trump was gullible enough to buy it apparently.

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I don't recall Israel pushing the US to go to war with Iran before.

Any links? Also, if they (Israel) are the reason we went to war with Iran now, why didn't we go during Trump's first term?

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I feel this is my duty to get the thread going. (I dint give a crap about Iran)

Remember that I predicted a long time ago that President Obama will attack Iran because of his inability to negotiate properly-not skilled!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 11, 2013

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To be fair, if Obama had negotiated better we wouldnt be flattening them right now, so he's partially correct.

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I know people hate to hear this, but Obama had a deal with Iran that everyone was happy with. Iran had 24/7 inspections and did not have a nuclear weapons program. The entire reason we are currently doing another ME war is because Trump tore up the JCPOA in 2018.

People forget, during Obama's terms, Israel was trying to get him to go to war with Iran but he refused. Israel also tried to get Bush to go to war with Iran and he refused. They were using the same casus belli then as they did now- Iran is weeks away from a nuke. Only Trump was gullible enough to buy it apparently.

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Disagree on the Obama/Iran agreement. It was bad in many ways and still allowed them to try and develop nuclear capabilities. The Abraham Accords would have been a better starting point in a deal with Iran.

Agree on your second point though. Israel has been trying to get us to go to war with Iran for years and across multiple administrations.

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GeorgiAg said:

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I feel this is my duty to get the thread going. (I dint give a crap about Iran)

Remember that I predicted a long time ago that President Obama will attack Iran because of his inability to negotiate properly-not skilled!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 11, 2013

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To be fair, if Obama had negotiated better we wouldnt be flattening them right now, so he's partially correct.

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I know people hate to hear this, but Obama had a deal with Iran that everyone was happy with. Iran had 24/7 inspections and did not have a nuclear weapons program. The entire reason we are currently doing another ME war is because Trump tore up the JCPOA in 2018.

People forget, during Obama's terms, Israel was trying to get him to go to war with Iran but he refused. Israel also tried to get Bush to go to war with Iran and he refused. They were using the same casus belli then as they did now- Iran is weeks away from a nuke. Only Trump was gullible enough to buy it apparently.

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I don't recall Israel pushing the US to go to war with Iran before.

Any links? Also, if they (Israel) are the reason we went to war with Iran now, why didn't we go during Trump's first term?

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In Trump's first term, he was still trying to stick with his original MAGA message- build the wall, drain the swamp, NO NEW WARS. Trump's second term is something entirely different- presumably because he had to make some sort of deal to keep himself out of jail. Or some say it's Epstein Files related but I am not sure about that.

Keyno said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Keyno said:

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IslanderAg04 said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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I feel this is my duty to get the thread going. (I dint give a crap about Iran)

Remember that I predicted a long time ago that President Obama will attack Iran because of his inability to negotiate properly-not skilled!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 11, 2013

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To be fair, if Obama had negotiated better we wouldnt be flattening them right now, so he's partially correct.

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I know people hate to hear this, but Obama had a deal with Iran that everyone was happy with. Iran had 24/7 inspections and did not have a nuclear weapons program. The entire reason we are currently doing another ME war is because Trump tore up the JCPOA in 2018.

People forget, during Obama's terms, Israel was trying to get him to go to war with Iran but he refused. Israel also tried to get Bush to go to war with Iran and he refused. They were using the same casus belli then as they did now- Iran is weeks away from a nuke. Only Trump was gullible enough to buy it apparently.

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I don't recall Israel pushing the US to go to war with Iran before.

Any links? Also, if they (Israel) are the reason we went to war with Iran now, why didn't we go during Trump's first term?

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In Trump's first term, he was still trying to stick with his original MAGA message- build the wall, drain the swamp, NO NEW WARS. Trump's second term is something entirely different- presumably because he had to make some sort of deal to keep himself out of jail. Or some say it's Epstein Files related but I am not sure about that.

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What would Israel have to do with keeping him out of jail or the Epstein files?

How odd those things you mentioned are even part of the conversation, but I will say that Trump did run on no new wars in '24 and here we are, so maybe that's why these things are being thrown out there.

Keyno said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Keyno said:

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IslanderAg04 said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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I feel this is my duty to get the thread going. (I dint give a crap about Iran)

Remember that I predicted a long time ago that President Obama will attack Iran because of his inability to negotiate properly-not skilled!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 11, 2013

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To be fair, if Obama had negotiated better we wouldnt be flattening them right now, so he's partially correct.

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I know people hate to hear this, but Obama had a deal with Iran that everyone was happy with. Iran had 24/7 inspections and did not have a nuclear weapons program. The entire reason we are currently doing another ME war is because Trump tore up the JCPOA in 2018.

People forget, during Obama's terms, Israel was trying to get him to go to war with Iran but he refused. Israel also tried to get Bush to go to war with Iran and he refused. They were using the same casus belli then as they did now- Iran is weeks away from a nuke. Only Trump was gullible enough to buy it apparently.

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I don't recall Israel pushing the US to go to war with Iran before.

Any links? Also, if they (Israel) are the reason we went to war with Iran now, why didn't we go during Trump's first term?

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In Trump's first term, he was still trying to stick with his original MAGA message- build the wall, drain the swamp, NO NEW WARS. Trump's second term is something entirely different- presumably because he had to make some sort of deal to keep himself out of jail. Or some say it's Epstein Files related but I am not sure about that.

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In other words, you just made a bunch of stuff up to satisfactorily TDS urges? You somehow think Iran went from no nuclear weapons program in 2018 to building massive underground enrichment facilities in 7 years?

Inspections were NOT 24/7 and there was little to no practical oversight.

No new wars Trump 1.0 took out Salamimein and Adda Bigdaddy or whatever their names were. So he was not scared to use force when appropriate the first go round.

To make some insenuation that Trump worked out a deal not to go to prison or that this relates to the Epstein files… that is so far disconnected from reality that it comes across as though it originating from the little man who lives under bridges.

At least make an attempt to provide actual information and realistic discussion.

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No Spin Ag said:

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Keyno said:

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IslanderAg04 said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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I feel this is my duty to get the thread going. (I dint give a crap about Iran)

Remember that I predicted a long time ago that President Obama will attack Iran because of his inability to negotiate properly-not skilled!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 11, 2013

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To be fair, if Obama had negotiated better we wouldnt be flattening them right now, so he's partially correct.

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I know people hate to hear this, but Obama had a deal with Iran that everyone was happy with. Iran had 24/7 inspections and did not have a nuclear weapons program. The entire reason we are currently doing another ME war is because Trump tore up the JCPOA in 2018.

People forget, during Obama's terms, Israel was trying to get him to go to war with Iran but he refused. Israel also tried to get Bush to go to war with Iran and he refused. They were using the same casus belli then as they did now- Iran is weeks away from a nuke. Only Trump was gullible enough to buy it apparently.

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I don't recall Israel pushing the US to go to war with Iran before.

Any links? Also, if they (Israel) are the reason we went to war with Iran now, why didn't we go during Trump's first term?

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In Trump's first term, he was still trying to stick with his original MAGA message- build the wall, drain the swamp, NO NEW WARS. Trump's second term is something entirely different- presumably because he had to make some sort of deal to keep himself out of jail. Or some say it's Epstein Files related but I am not sure about that.

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What would Israel have to do with keeping him out of jail or the Epstein files?

How odd those things you mentioned are even part of the conversation, but I will say that Trump did run on no new wars in '24 and here we are, so maybe that's why these things are being thrown out there.

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To be fair, the beef with Iran, or war as some call it, has been going on for 40 years. The first act of agression was the kidnap and killing of Americans in Tehran. Then Beirut. Pan Am flight to Lockerbie. Decades of funding coalitions to kill, maim and terrorize Americans around the globe.

So this is actually not a new war, but the final chapter in the 47 year war.

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No Spin Ag said:

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Keyno said:

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IslanderAg04 said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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I feel this is my duty to get the thread going. (I dint give a crap about Iran)

Remember that I predicted a long time ago that President Obama will attack Iran because of his inability to negotiate properly-not skilled!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 11, 2013

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To be fair, if Obama had negotiated better we wouldnt be flattening them right now, so he's partially correct.

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I know people hate to hear this, but Obama had a deal with Iran that everyone was happy with. Iran had 24/7 inspections and did not have a nuclear weapons program. The entire reason we are currently doing another ME war is because Trump tore up the JCPOA in 2018.

People forget, during Obama's terms, Israel was trying to get him to go to war with Iran but he refused. Israel also tried to get Bush to go to war with Iran and he refused. They were using the same casus belli then as they did now- Iran is weeks away from a nuke. Only Trump was gullible enough to buy it apparently.

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I don't recall Israel pushing the US to go to war with Iran before.

Any links? Also, if they (Israel) are the reason we went to war with Iran now, why didn't we go during Trump's first term?

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In Trump's first term, he was still trying to stick with his original MAGA message- build the wall, drain the swamp, NO NEW WARS. Trump's second term is something entirely different- presumably because he had to make some sort of deal to keep himself out of jail. Or some say it's Epstein Files related but I am not sure about that.

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What would Israel have to do with keeping him out of jail or the Epstein files?

How odd those things you mentioned are even part of the conversation, but I will say that Trump did run on no new wars in '24 and here we are, so maybe that's why these things are being thrown out there.

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To be fair, the beef with Iran, or war as some call it, has been going on for 40 years. The first act of agression was the kidnap and killing of Americans in Tehran. Then Beirut. Pan Am flight to Lockerbie. Decades of funding coalitions to kill, maim and terrorize Americans around the globe.

So this is actually not a new war, but the final chapter in the 47 year war.

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Man, from your lips to God's ears that this be the final chapter.

I would love to stop hearing about problems in the ME, at least when it comes to that country.

Please, the Epstein files? What color is the sky in your world?

Democrats had those files prior to 2024. Do you really believe that they don't release everything related to Trump if his name was in those files in some incriminating fashion? These are the same people who attempted to destroy him financially through the lawfare of their minions. Heck, they even created an environment that prompted a couple of their demented minions to attempt to assassinate the man twice.

We have a better opportunity to make lasting change and correct the atrocities sewn by the Brits and Lawrence of Arabia and their poorly conceived crayon drawings on maps to put in borders that were not there and made no sense from a geographical and demographically stand point.

Just, we want countries of about this size and we will make a deal with the most powerful tribal elders, let them name the country and establish most of their own rules, then sit back for the next 100 years or so and reflect on what joy this brought to the region.

But back to Iran, this will be a victory for the US and the world in both the short run and the long run.