Political fallout and arguments regarding the US-Israeli action against Iran 022824

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8:26a, 3/16/26
After Iran is free I only hope Tom Cruise makes MAVERICK THREE: BACK TO TEHERAN

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8:35a, 3/16/26
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This is very funny
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In reply to Haleyscomet50 • 8:37a, 3/16/26
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This was a unwinnable war from the start no matter what happens Iran wins Israel could win but the American people loose.

Remember when Trump saved us from North Korea Rocket Man? Trump has saved the ME from nuclear extinction with the Iran war. We are already seeing that narrative at play and parroted.

But that gaslighting only works here in the US. Bibi and Iranain civilians are ultimately going to need Trump to commit 100s of billions more of our money. Hopefully he doesnt. Throwing the Iranian civilians under the bus is easy for him, Bibi and AIPAC arent easy.
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In reply to eater of the list • 8:41a, 3/16/26
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eater of the list said:
Dan Scott said:

One challenge with this request is the broader diplomatic context.

Many of the countries being asked to help secure the Strait of Hormuz are long-standing U.S. allies, but relations with several of them have been strained in recent years due to trade disputes, tariffs, and political criticism.

Regardless of one's view of those policies, they inevitably affect trust and cooperation. When alliances feel transactional or adversarial, it becomes harder to rally partners around high-risk military or security initiatives.

Them taking advantage of the generosity of the United States is what has made the relationship feel transactional or adversarial. That is sort of the point of Trump's rhetoric here.

Come to our aid now or do not rely on us in the future. It's our allies acting like frickturds, DJT is pointing it out and telling them it's time to show if we have an alliance… or not.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 8:46a, 3/16/26
flown-the-coop said:
eater of the list said:
Dan Scott said:

One challenge with this request is the broader diplomatic context.

Many of the countries being asked to help secure the Strait of Hormuz are long-standing U.S. allies, but relations with several of them have been strained in recent years due to trade disputes, tariffs, and political criticism.

Regardless of one's view of those policies, they inevitably affect trust and cooperation. When alliances feel transactional or adversarial, it becomes harder to rally partners around high-risk military or security initiatives.

Them taking advantage of the generosity of the United States is what has made the relationship feel transactional or adversarial. That is sort of the point of Trump's rhetoric here.

Come to our aid now or do not rely on us in the future. It's our allies acting like frickturds, DJT is pointing it out and telling them it's time to show if we have an alliance… or not.

I'm not arguing allies shouldn't contribute. My point was about how alliances function diplomatically.

Cooperation in high-risk operations usually depends on trust and predictability over time. If the messaging becomes "prove the alliance right now or lose U.S. support," partners often become more cautious, not more willing to jump into a conflict.

So the issue isn't reciprocity, it's whether the approach strengthens or weakens the coalition needed to do something like secure the Strait of Hormuz.
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In reply to Dan Scott • 10:26a, 3/16/26
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Dan Scott said:

What exactly is our Navy doing to reopen it? And if we have already won the war, why is it still in need of reopening? And why is NATO on the hook for actions that we initiated?
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In reply to Zachary Klement • 10:47a, 3/16/26
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This is very funny


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In reply to Ag83 • 10:52a, 3/16/26
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What exactly is our Navy doing to reopen it? And if we have already won the war, why is it still in need of reopening? And why is NATO on the hook for actions that we initiated?

The European nations of NATO do not have energy self sufficiency. Their gas prices are already two or three times higher than ours. Thus they have much more exposure to shortages crippling their economies (such as they are already somewhat crippled.)
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11:33a, 3/16/26
Trunp begging "allies" to bail him out of the mess he unilaterally made. If I'm one of the allied nations I let he squirm as long as possible. Consequences of going it alone.
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In reply to Ag83 • 11:34a, 3/16/26
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I agree. Why is it the responsibility of NATO to re-open the straight? Trump is such an idiot sometimes. He thinks he can bully everyone. He just needs to man up and deal with the situation himself.
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In reply to docb • 11:39a, 3/16/26
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I agree. Why is it the responsibility of NATO to re-open the straight? Trump is such an idiot sometimes. He thinks he can bully everyone. He just needs to man up and deal with the situation himself.

Yeah, because we've never been drawn into conflicts by other country's actions. I bet you were all in for Ukraine, Vietnam, Iran/Iraq War, and on and on and on.
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11:44a, 3/16/26
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LMAO. TDS at it's finest being displayed.
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In reply to 13B • 11:45a, 3/16/26
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13B said:
docb said:
I agree. Why is it the responsibility of NATO to re-open the straight? Trump is such an idiot sometimes. He thinks he can bully everyone. He just needs to man up and deal with the situation himself.

Yeah, because we've never been drawn into conflicts by other country's actions. I bet you were all in for Ukraine, Vietnam, Iran/Iraq War, and on and on and on.

I view them all individually. Certainly not for all of them. Honestly I think we should have just taken out Iran's nuclear capability and move on. But maybe Israel has our ear too much?
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In reply to NormanEH • 11:46a, 3/16/26
NormanEH said:
Trunp begging "allies" to bail him out of the mess he unilaterally made. If I'm one of the allied nations I let he squirm as long as possible. Consequences of going it alone.

did you say the same thing about Ukraine and Europe BEGGING THE USA to bail them out

when Russia invaded in 2022?
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In reply to NormanEH • 11:48a, 3/16/26
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NormanEH said:
Trunp begging "allies" to bail him out of the mess he unilaterally made. If I'm one of the allied nations I let he squirm as long as possible. Consequences of going it alone.

Bail him out?

More like, "If you want to continue to eat at the table, you need to start picking up some of the bill."
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In reply to Zachary Klement • 11:50a, 3/16/26
Zachary Klement said:

This is very funny
religious hardliner politicians who are secretly gay? america and iran have more in common than i thought!
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In reply to docb • 11:52a, 3/16/26
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I agree. Why is it the responsibility of NATO to re-open the straight? Trump is such an idiot sometimes. He thinks he can bully everyone. He just needs to man up and deal with the situation himself.
it's hard to believe (and by that i mean not at all hard to believe) that so little planning appears to have gone into preempting the hormuz issue
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In reply to AgResearch • 11:54a, 3/16/26
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Zachary Klement said:

This is very funny




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In reply to NormanEH • 11:58a, 3/16/26
NormanEH said:
Trunp begging "allies" to bail him out of the mess he unilaterally made. If I'm one of the allied nations I let he squirm as long as possible. Consequences of going it alone.

LOL. This is so predictable by the left and Euros. Remember when Trump warned them about dependence on Russian oil? They laughed and laughed until they were hit in the face with Russian aggression.

Bail him out? IT IS THEIR OIL that is stuck in the straight. Seriously, why is that so hard to understand? We are trying to get the world to stop leaching off the free ride that the American Navy produces.

Iran was a threat to America. America is working on taking out the threat

The straight is a European problem. Europeans can go make sure their cargo and oil get to their shores. If they don't want to insure their own resources, why should the American Navy? I do not care what any Euro country thinks, we had a problem with Iran so we are fixing it. They are also having a problem with Iran, and they can fix their part too.
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In reply to Old McDonald • 11:59a, 3/16/26
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Old McDonald said:
Zachary Klement said:

This is very funny
religious hardliner politicians who are secretly gay? america and iran have more in common than i thought!


What does Talarico have to do with this?
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In reply to TacosaurusRex • 12:01p, 3/16/26
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Bingo.
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In reply to Slicer97 • 12:10p, 3/16/26
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Old McDonald said:
Zachary Klement said:

This is very funny
religious hardliner politicians who are secretly gay? america and iran have more in common than i thought!


What does Talarico have to do with this?
much less than lindsey graham and jd vance
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In reply to TacosaurusRex • 12:14p, 3/16/26
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NormanEH said:
Trunp begging "allies" to bail him out of the mess he unilaterally made. If I'm one of the allied nations I let he squirm as long as possible. Consequences of going it alone.

LOL. This is so predictable by the left and Euros. Remember when Trump warned them about dependence on Russian oil? They laughed and laughed until they were hit in the face with Russian aggression.

Bail him out? IT IS THEIR OIL that is stuck in the straight. Seriously, why is that so hard to understand? We are trying to get the world to stop leaching off the free ride that the American Navy produces.

Iran was a threat to America. America is working on taking out the threat

The straight is a European problem. Europeans can go make sure their cargo and oil get to their shores. If they don't want to insure their own resources, why should the American Navy? I do not care what any Euro country thinks, we had a problem with Iran so we are fixing it. They are also having a problem with Iran, and they can fix their part too.

Not sure if you have seen oil prices lately but they are significantly higher in the USA as well.

It is our problem. Trump being so delusional to not see how badly this is damaging his own political agenda is incredible. The only regime change he's accomplished so far is a blue wave here in the USA.
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In reply to Haleyscomet50 • 12:17p, 3/16/26
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Haleyscomet50 said:
Now Trump is blaming Ai for us not being able to win. This was a unwinnable war from the start no matter what happens Iran wins Israel could win but the American people loose. Trump tweeting about mines won't help the insurance rate on those ships all Iran has to do is hold out and get the win. We have to have boots on ground to win and the second he does that Trump looses. Have no clue who advised him or why we are in this position but the second it started was a loss for the American people.

The first time I attributed it to a typo...

But, no, you really got that wrong twice.

I'm surprised "loss" is spelled correctly.
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In reply to Zachary Klement • 12:18p, 3/16/26
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Zachary Klement said:

This is very funny

Looks like he needs to throw himself off the rooftop...
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In reply to LMCane • 12:24p, 3/16/26
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LMCane said:
NormanEH said:
Trunp begging "allies" to bail him out of the mess he unilaterally made. If I'm one of the allied nations I let he squirm as long as possible. Consequences of going it alone.

did you say the same thing about Ukraine and Europe BEGGING THE USA to bail them out

when Russia invaded in 2022?


The war Putin started? Just a bit of a difference there.
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In reply to TxAG#2011 • 12:27p, 3/16/26
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TacosaurusRex said:
NormanEH said:
Trunp begging "allies" to bail him out of the mess he unilaterally made. If I'm one of the allied nations I let he squirm as long as possible. Consequences of going it alone.

LOL. This is so predictable by the left and Euros. Remember when Trump warned them about dependence on Russian oil? They laughed and laughed until they were hit in the face with Russian aggression.

Bail him out? IT IS THEIR OIL that is stuck in the straight. Seriously, why is that so hard to understand? We are trying to get the world to stop leaching off the free ride that the American Navy produces.

Iran was a threat to America. America is working on taking out the threat

The straight is a European problem. Europeans can go make sure their cargo and oil get to their shores. If they don't want to insure their own resources, why should the American Navy? I do not care what any Euro country thinks, we had a problem with Iran so we are fixing it. They are also having a problem with Iran, and they can fix their part too.

Not sure if you have seen oil prices lately but they are significantly higher in the USA as well.

It is our problem. Trump being so delusional to not see how badly this is damaging his own political agenda is incredible. The only regime change he's accomplished so far is a blue wave here in the USA.

Delusion would be a European country not sending resources to protect their countries interest. The short term spike we are seeing in gas prices is absolute peanuts compared to what we spend on security around the globe to counter Iran. Not to mention that we have had to spend like that for the past 50 years. Again, delusion.
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In reply to Zachary Klement • 12:32p, 3/16/26
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Zachary Klement said:

This is very funny


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In reply to docb • 12:35p, 3/16/26
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I agree. Why is it the responsibility of NATO to re-open the straight? Trump is such an idiot sometimes. He thinks he can bully everyone. He just needs to man up and deal with the situation himself.

Based on that X post the Ayatollah is not straight, he is gay.
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In reply to Ag with kids • 12:38p, 3/16/26
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And while we are criticizing grammar it is the Strait of Hormuz, not straight.

Too many are making that error.
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In reply to The Kraken • 12:49p, 3/16/26
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LMCane said:
NormanEH said:
Trunp begging "allies" to bail him out of the mess he unilaterally made. If I'm one of the allied nations I let he squirm as long as possible. Consequences of going it alone.

did you say the same thing about Ukraine and Europe BEGGING THE USA to bail them out

when Russia invaded in 2022?


The war Putin started? Just a bit of a difference there.

But, why would it necessarily be our problem? That war is in Europe/Asia.

However, we are supporting the Euros BECAUSE WE ARE ALLIES.

Asking for the same from the Euros in this war shouldn't be controversial.
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In reply to BQ78 • 12:50p, 3/16/26
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BQ78 said:
And while we are criticizing grammar it is the Strait of Hormuz, not straight.

Too many are making that error.

No kidding.

I get a facial tic every time I see that mistake.

We're not discussing the sexuality of Hormuz...
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Zachary Klement said:

This is very funny



I am SOOOOOOO glad I hadn't just taken a drink, or I would have spit all over my keyboard!!!!!
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In reply to TacosaurusRex • 1:57p, 3/16/26
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NormanEH said:
Trunp begging "allies" to bail him out of the mess he unilaterally made. If I'm one of the allied nations I let he squirm as long as possible. Consequences of going it alone.

LOL. This is so predictable by the left and Euros. Remember when Trump warned them about dependence on Russian oil? They laughed and laughed until they were hit in the face with Russian aggression.

Bail him out? IT IS THEIR OIL that is stuck in the straight. Seriously, why is that so hard to understand? We are trying to get the world to stop leaching off the free ride that the American Navy produces.

Iran was a threat to America. America is working on taking out the threat

The straight is a European problem. Europeans can go make sure their cargo and oil get to their shores. If they don't want to insure their own resources, why should the American Navy? I do not care what any Euro country thinks, we had a problem with Iran so we are fixing it. They are also having a problem with Iran, and they can fix their part too.
except that for the most part, it's not. europe receives less than 5% of the crude and less than 10% of the LNG that transits the hormuz strait. the overwhelming majority goes to asia.

europe's exposure to the strait has more to do with price shocks should iran block transit (same as the rest of the world), which wasn't a problem until trump decided to start a war there without planning contingencies for iran using the strait as leverage. trump is begging europe to help bail him out for a problem he created.
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