Political fallout and arguments regarding the US-Israeli action against Iran 022824

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Dungeon Crawler Carl
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This is what the death of the US Petro Dollar looks like in real time........

"Full faith and confidence back by the US Military"


LMCane
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ISRAEL JUST TOOK OUT TOP IRANIAN TERROR BOSS ESMAEIL KHATIB IN A PRECISION STRIKE IN TEHRAN


This monsterIran's Minister of Intelligence and Security since 2021oversaw the regime's ENTIRE global terror network through the MOIS. He ran sleeper cells worldwide, coordinated deadly proxy attacks via Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis, and was actively plotting assassinations against President Trump and other top US officials!

In a daring overnight airstrike right in the heart of Tehran, Israel delivered a massive blow to the ayatollahs' terror machine. The Iranian regime is reelingtheir chief spymaster is gone. No safe havens for those who threaten Israel and America.
Dungeon Crawler Carl
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Now do Bibi.....
nortex97
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Israel paid for/developed/contracted (including with major US primes) to build the Iron Dome themselves. It's actually superior to our PAC3 etc. but is a layered system which now also includes David's Sling/Iron Beam etc. Layered/comprehensive missile/drone defense systems cannot be deployed in a year or two.

It's just an oversimplification, and the UAE did buy/train/equip several of their own Patriot units. Modern drone warfare is just a real problem as it continues to proliferate/advance. The Iranians have settled to around 26-28 missile strikes, net, per day. The annoying drones are the real frustration right now, not missiles for the UAE in particular, though they did 'surge' a bit yesterday I guess.
Phatbob
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

Now do Bibi.....

He's... not dead? That the update you are looking for?
Dungeon Crawler Carl
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Focus on the big picture......Not individual stories.


Is the Strait closed to Arab oil traffic (aka their financial survival)? How much longer will it stay closed?


Everyday that its closed is like a placing a 1LB weight on the chest of the global economy, Day 1, no big deal, Day 7 still breathing slight, Day 15 start to notice but can still breathe, Day 30 to 45 its starting to make a significant impact to the flow of oxygen......etc.

Where are we today day 19 or so?


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Goldman Sachs has warned that Gulf Arab economies face their sharpest downturn in a generation as the Iran war grinds through its third week, with the investment bank projecting GDP contractions of up to 14 percent for Qatar and Kuwait if the conflict extends through April 2026. The assessment, issued alongside separate warnings from Capital Economics and S&P Global Ratings, marks the first time major financial institutions have formally downgraded the Gulf outlook from slowdown to outright recession since the war between the United States, Israel, and Iran began on February 28.

https://houseofsaud.com/goldman-sachs-gulf-recession-iran-war-gdp-2026/


If this holds true, do you think the Arab leaders are going to reinvest in the US dollar and the military hardware that failed them?
Phatbob
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

Focus on the big picture......Not individual stories.


Is the Strait closed to Arab oil traffic (aka their financial survival? How much longer will it stay closed?


Everyday that its closed is like a placing a 1LB weight on the chest of the global economy, Day 1, no big deal, Day 7 still breathing slight, Day 15 start to notice but can still breathe, Day 30 to 45 its starting to make a significant impact to the flow of oxygen......etc.

Where are we today day 19 or so?


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Goldman Sachs has warned that Gulf Arab economies face their sharpest downturn in a generation as the Iran war grinds through its third week, with the investment bank projecting GDP contractions of up to 14 percent for Qatar and Kuwait if the conflict extends through April 2026. The assessment, issued alongside separate warnings from Capital Economics and S&P Global Ratings, marks the first time major financial institutions have formally downgraded the Gulf outlook from slowdown to outright recession since the war between the United States, Israel, and Iran began on February 28.

https://houseofsaud.com/goldman-sachs-gulf-recession-iran-war-gdp-2026/


If this holds true, do you think the Arab leaders are going to reinvest in the US dollar and the military hardware that failed them?


As opposed to what, exactly? The Chinese tech that has failed spectacularly in the last 6 months? They going to go to the Yuan? The Ruble?
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Dungeon Crawler Carl
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Looking for truth, which lays somewhere in the middle.

Cane only posts (one absolutely biased) side of the story.

Bibi may or not be dead. There are arguments for both.

Tel Avi is getting hit regularly from ballistic missiles.

It's dishonest to only post all of the Iranian leadership is dead and the Israelis are invincible.



Phatbob
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:



Bibi may or not be dead. There are arguments for both.



Ahh, Ok, we're done here.
nortex97
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Good to hear, anyway. The commercial reality is that companies in Europe (and Maersk functionally runs the Danish government) need the strait re-opened, even if the political class would rather flip off Trump than do anything constructive.
AlaskanAg99
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All of this was going to happen eventually. We chose to do this now before Iran had one+ functional nuclear weapons. If the assumption is Iran is an equal partner interested in trade and world harmony, this wouldnt be an issue.

The correct assumption is Iran has a sinister motive of co flict and was only engaging in trade in order to build a war machine and stockpile weapons with the goal of obtaining multiple nuclear weapons. Not only to threaten its neighbors but also globally.
aTm '99
Dungeon Crawler Carl
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Phatbob said:

Dungeon Crawler Carl said:



Bibi may or not be dead. There are arguments for both.



Ahh, Ok, we're done here.

samurai_science
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

Phatbob said:

Dungeon Crawler Carl said:



Bibi may or not be dead. There are arguments for both.



Ahh, Ok, we're done here.



Update us when you get confirmation either way, its pointless to talk about
nortex97
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The IRGC/mullahs are (insane) Twelver/Shia moslems who believe the 12th Imam, the 'absent' Muhammad al-Mahdi, who went into hiding in 874 (or whatever year) and will re-emerge to establish justice etc.

Creating a cataclysmic series of events to bring him forth is what animates them. They just aren't people to be politically negotiated with, period, let alone given nuclear weapons to play around with.
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Dungeon Crawler Carl
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As opposed to what, exactly? The Chinese tech that has failed spectacularly in the last 6 months? They going to go to the Yuan? The Ruble?




There's your answer.

We are going to have to wait and see how this plays out....... as they say, grab your popcorn.


Tink98
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Can someone unpack this for me? Who is he implying controls the polymarket?
BMX Bandit
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Tink98 said:

Can someone unpack this for me? Who is he implying controls the polymarket?

Rhymes with:

DEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWSSSSSSSS
Yukon Cornelius
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This will be a massive blow to our geopolitical capital and leave Israel further isolated in the ME. Very bad fallout. It seems to be the likely trajectory too. Countries can't wait on us to secure the straits and are unwilling to do it themselves. Far easier for them to strike a deal with Iran, path of least resistance.

As many postulated war with Iran could be a death knell for our global hegemony. Time will tell, I hope they are wrong.

I guess we could always blockade the straits ourselves as a solution.
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Seems like a well thought out strategy.
Phatbob
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

Phatbob said:

Dungeon Crawler Carl said:



Bibi may or not be dead. There are arguments for both.



Ahh, Ok, we're done here.



So your argument is that it is NOT on polymarket? Your arguments are not getting better.The internet may just not be for you.
japantiger
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

Phatbob said:

Dungeon Crawler Carl said:



Bibi may or not be dead. There are arguments for both.



Ahh, Ok, we're done here.



Some people need Jesus badly....
“It was miraculous. It was almost no trick at all, he saw, to turn vice into virtue and slander into truth, impotence into abstinence, arrogance into humility, plunder into philanthropy, thievery into honor, blasphemy into wisdom, brutality into patriotism, and sadism into justice. Anybody could do it; it required no brains at all. It merely required no character.”
Joseph Heller, Catch 22
nortex97
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It really does. Trump has as usual outfoxed his enemies.
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The Strait of Hormuz was supposed to end Trump's presidency. Iran blocked it. Oil spiked. Gas prices surged. The plan was simple… crush the American worker with inflation until the political pressure forced a retreat.

But the trap inverted.

The oil market has fractured into two tiers. $100 in America. $150 in Asia. China, India, Japan, South Korea… the nations that refused to send warships when Trump asked… are now paying 50% more per barrel than the country that launched the war. Demand destruction has started across Asia. Schools closing. Workers sent home. Petrol pumps running dry in Southeast Asia. Meanwhile American refineries are actually increasing output, running on light sweet crude that never touches Hormuz.

Trump told them to help open the Strait. Every single one refused. NATO said it wasn't their war. China negotiated selective passage from a destroyed regime. Japan declined. Australia declined.

Now the Strait is doing to them what it was designed to do to Trump.


J. Walter Weatherman
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

Phatbob said:

Dungeon Crawler Carl said:



Bibi may or not be dead. There are arguments for both.



Ahh, Ok, we're done here.




Conspiracy losers wrong again.


Dungeon Crawler Carl
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Trump was really counting on the Arab states and Japan to refinance the $11 Trillion we have coming due this year. He bragged on and on about the deals he made for trillions and trillions of investment into the US.


Anyone want to make a Polymarket bet that those countries reconsider their decision at the end of this month? For that matter, who wants to make a bet they will have the cash and ability to honor their decision.


US debt is only good with the full faith and confidence by those who hold it along with backing of the US Military...... How's that look today? Is the Strait still closed? Are US dollars being recycled through the system?
Science Denier
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

Phatbob said:

Dungeon Crawler Carl said:



Bibi may or not be dead. There are arguments for both.



Ahh, Ok, we're done here.



Polymarkets. LOL.

If there is no polymarket for his death, wouldn't that mean nobody is willing to put their money on him being dead? Again, I don't know anything about them, but seems that would be the case.
samurai_science
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samurai_science
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:



Trump was really counting on the Arab states and Japan to refinance the $11 Trillion we have coming due this year. He bragged on and on about the deals he made for trillions and trillions of investment into the US.


Anyone want to make a Polymarket bet that those countries reconsider their decision at the end of this month? For that matter, who wants to make a bet they will have the cash and ability to honor their decision.


US debt is only good with the full faith and confidence by those who hold it along with backing of the US Military...... How's that look today? Is the Strait still closed? Are US dollars being recycled through the system?


Rs and Ds have chosen not to do anything about the debt for decades, its over.
Yukon Cornelius
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America is being exit liquidity scammed in real time.
The Collective
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Limit their capability to target us and our allies in the region. Let Israel do what it wants. It feels like that's where we are headed.
Ellis Wyatt
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European leaders are not our allies. This is exactly why we need Greenland, in case anyone hasn't been paying attention.
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nortex97 said:



This might be the most French thing I've ever seen. What a putz.
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I don't think sending a few Herring gill netters to patrol the straight will make all that much difference.
Yukon Cornelius
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There's a non zero chance oil through the straits is bought with bitcoin. Iran already uses it and we can't sanction it. If countries are forced to negotiate directly with Iran for free passage they will be forced to use something other than dollars to avoid sanctions. China will push for their currency to be used but other countries may not want to sue the yuan. A comprise might be bitcoin.
 
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