Keyno said:
Furthermore, the US and Israel are both now just openly calling for "regime change". I see zero reason why Iran would ever "talk" with us ever again unless they received serious concessions/compensation.
Keyno said:
Very funny picture. Did you read anything else I posted or were you just really excited to post that?
Colonel Kurtz said:ttu_85 said:OhtAg12 said:
Unless we're willing to use nukes. We've essentially lost already. They're making good progress replacing the petrodollar with a petroyuan. Any effort take kharg island is going to result in tons of american blood for no reason when they turn the pipeline off at the other side. If we actually bomb their power plants in a few hours like Trump claims they'll destroy all the desalination plants
Wow. Can you imagine people buying into such cheap low grade pro-Iranian propaganda. To do so you really have to hate America to begin with.
Are you going to offer any argument to the contrary?
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ttu_85 said:Colonel Kurtz said:ttu_85 said:OhtAg12 said:
Unless we're willing to use nukes. We've essentially lost already. They're making good progress replacing the petrodollar with a petroyuan. Any effort take kharg island is going to result in tons of american blood for no reason when they turn the pipeline off at the other side. If we actually bomb their power plants in a few hours like Trump claims they'll destroy all the desalination plants
Wow. Can you imagine people buying into such cheap low grade pro-Iranian propaganda. To do so you really have to hate America to begin with.
Are you going to offer any argument to the contrary?
what argument? The original premise in my view, was idiotic. I dont remotely buy the "argument" "We have essential lost already." There is absolutely no way that argument can be made 3 weeks into this fight given Iran's combat effectiveness has been dramatically degraded.
Yes they can still lob missiles around and scare the ignorant and feeble minded or maybe encourage those with a pro Iran or anti American agenda. And yes they can hit the occasional refinery. But as far as Iran, mustering enough concentrated military might to make an objective observer think we have "essentially lost already" is as waste of time as such a question is either agenda driven or ignorant.
BusterAg said:Keyno said:
Furthermore, the US and Israel are both now just openly calling for "regime change". I see zero reason why Iran would ever "talk" with us ever again unless they received serious concessions/compensation.
At some point, the second guy in command, who was once the 42nd guy in command, is going to decide to make a deal for peace that we can tolerate and take out #41 on his own.
And if not, there are plenty of other opportunities with #43 - #50.
Phatbob said:Quote:
Iran is denying any talks are talking place. Why would Iran talk with the United States anymore? We unilaterally backed out of a deal in 2018 which they were adhering to. We assassinated Soleimani 2020. We allowed Israel to directly attack them during negotiations in 2025. And then we personally attacked them in 2026 during negotiations.
Furthermore, the US and Israel are both now just openly calling for "regime change". I see zero reason why Iran would ever "talk" with us ever again unless they received serious concessions/compensation.
Yes, they will look back at their previous attempts at getting exactly what they want and being denied, and they will say "Eh, it didn't work then, so I should not see what I can do as a last resort to keep them from killing me".
That makes sense.
As Trump mulls deploying ground troops to Iran, a veteran and reservist who mentors younger officers told HuffPost, “I’m hearing out of service members’ mouths the words, ‘We do not want to die for Israel.’”
— AF Post (@AFpost) March 22, 2026
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Keyno said:BusterAg said:Keyno said:
Furthermore, the US and Israel are both now just openly calling for "regime change". I see zero reason why Iran would ever "talk" with us ever again unless they received serious concessions/compensation.
At some point, the second guy in command, who was once the 42nd guy in command, is going to decide to make a deal for peace that we can tolerate and take out #41 on his own.
And if not, there are plenty of other opportunities with #43 - #50.
Is that what you would do after we just wasted your spiritual leader and scores of your close friends/military brothers?
samurai_science said:Keyno said:BusterAg said:Keyno said:
Furthermore, the US and Israel are both now just openly calling for "regime change". I see zero reason why Iran would ever "talk" with us ever again unless they received serious concessions/compensation.
At some point, the second guy in command, who was once the 42nd guy in command, is going to decide to make a deal for peace that we can tolerate and take out #41 on his own.
And if not, there are plenty of other opportunities with #43 - #50.
Is that what you would do after we just wasted your spiritual leader and scores of your close friends/military brothers?
Is all you do is argue with hypotheticals that will never happen?
Keyno said:As Trump mulls deploying ground troops to Iran, a veteran and reservist who mentors younger officers told HuffPost, “I’m hearing out of service members’ mouths the words, ‘We do not want to die for Israel.’”
— AF Post (@AFpost) March 22, 2026
Follow: @AFpost pic.twitter.com/0iJgl6iMJQ
Not sure I buy this at all, but cry me a river. What they want or don't want is irrelevant. They signed up to follow orders not emote opinions.Keyno said:As Trump mulls deploying ground troops to Iran, a veteran and reservist who mentors younger officers told HuffPost, “I’m hearing out of service members’ mouths the words, ‘We do not want to die for Israel.’”
— AF Post (@AFpost) March 22, 2026
Follow: @AFpost pic.twitter.com/0iJgl6iMJQ
Sid Farkas said:
They're fighting to rid the world of fundamentalist Islam once and for all. There is no higher calling at this day in age.
Keyno said:Sid Farkas said:
They're fighting to rid the world of fundamentalist Islam once and for all. There is no higher calling at this day in age.
Yeah I am not sure that is the stated objectives of this war. I not sure what the stated objectives really are because they have never really been clarified/are ever changing. I am pretty sure I have not heard "rid the world of fundamentalist Islam" as an objective of this war yet. Maybe if our military articulated to our troops that "they are fighting to rid the world of fundamentalist Islam once and for all", they may be receptive to that.
Ag87H2O said:Keyno said:As Trump mulls deploying ground troops to Iran, a veteran and reservist who mentors younger officers told HuffPost, “I’m hearing out of service members’ mouths the words, ‘We do not want to die for Israel.’”
— AF Post (@AFpost) March 22, 2026
Follow: @AFpost pic.twitter.com/0iJgl6iMJQ
Not sure I buy this at all, but cry me a river. What they want or don't want is irrelevant. They signed up to follow orders not emote opinions.
Keyno said:ttu_85 said:Colonel Kurtz said:ttu_85 said:OhtAg12 said:
Unless we're willing to use nukes. We've essentially lost already. They're making good progress replacing the petrodollar with a petroyuan. Any effort take kharg island is going to result in tons of american blood for no reason when they turn the pipeline off at the other side. If we actually bomb their power plants in a few hours like Trump claims they'll destroy all the desalination plants
Wow. Can you imagine people buying into such cheap low grade pro-Iranian propaganda. To do so you really have to hate America to begin with.
Are you going to offer any argument to the contrary?
what argument? The original premise in my view, was idiotic. I dont remotely buy the "argument" "We have essential lost already." There is absolutely no way that argument can be made 3 weeks into this fight given Iran's combat effectiveness has been dramatically degraded.
Yes they can still lob missiles around and scare the ignorant and feeble minded or maybe encourage those with a pro Iran or anti American agenda. And yes they can hit the occasional refinery. But as far as Iran, mustering enough concentrated military might to make an objective observer think we have "essentially lost already" is as waste of time as such a question is either agenda driven or ignorant.
Edit: I am retracting post as your comment was not directed to me. Please accept my apology
maverick2076 said:Keyno said:Sid Farkas said:
They're fighting to rid the world of fundamentalist Islam once and for all. There is no higher calling at this day in age.
Yeah I am not sure that is the stated objectives of this war. I not sure what the stated objectives really are because they have never really been clarified/are ever changing. I am pretty sure I have not heard "rid the world of fundamentalist Islam" as an objective of this war yet. Maybe if our military articulated to our troops that "they are fighting to rid the world of fundamentalist Islam once and for all", they may be receptive to that.
If you don't know what the objectives are, then you haven't been paying attention. SECWAR restates them at least once, if not multiple times, at every single daily briefing.
Keyno said:maverick2076 said:Keyno said:Sid Farkas said:
They're fighting to rid the world of fundamentalist Islam once and for all. There is no higher calling at this day in age.
Yeah I am not sure that is the stated objectives of this war. I not sure what the stated objectives really are because they have never really been clarified/are ever changing. I am pretty sure I have not heard "rid the world of fundamentalist Islam" as an objective of this war yet. Maybe if our military articulated to our troops that "they are fighting to rid the world of fundamentalist Islam once and for all", they may be receptive to that.
If you don't know what the objectives are, then you haven't been paying attention. SECWAR restates them at least once, if not multiple times, at every single daily briefing.
Yeah and I have not seen "rid the world of fundamentalist Islam once and for all" in any of those stated goals, as I said.
Keyno said:Phatbob said:Quote:
Iran is denying any talks are talking place. Why would Iran talk with the United States anymore? We unilaterally backed out of a deal in 2018 which they were adhering to. We assassinated Soleimani 2020. We allowed Israel to directly attack them during negotiations in 2025. And then we personally attacked them in 2026 during negotiations.
Furthermore, the US and Israel are both now just openly calling for "regime change". I see zero reason why Iran would ever "talk" with us ever again unless they received serious concessions/compensation.
Yes, they will look back at their previous attempts at getting exactly what they want and being denied, and they will say "Eh, it didn't work then, so I should not see what I can do as a last resort to keep them from killing me".
That makes sense.
I don't think the Iranian leadership fears death. This is an existential war for them
Keyno said:Sid Farkas said:
They're fighting to rid the world of fundamentalist Islam once and for all. There is no higher calling at this day in age.
Yeah I am not sure that is the stated objectives of this war. I not sure what the stated objectives really are because they have never really been clarified/are ever changing. I am pretty sure I have not heard "rid the world of fundamentalist Islam" as an objective of this war yet. Maybe if our military articulated to our troops that "they are fighting to rid the world of fundamentalist Islam once and for all", they may be receptive to that.
BusterAg said:Keyno said:Phatbob said:Quote:
Iran is denying any talks are talking place. Why would Iran talk with the United States anymore? We unilaterally backed out of a deal in 2018 which they were adhering to. We assassinated Soleimani 2020. We allowed Israel to directly attack them during negotiations in 2025. And then we personally attacked them in 2026 during negotiations.
Furthermore, the US and Israel are both now just openly calling for "regime change". I see zero reason why Iran would ever "talk" with us ever again unless they received serious concessions/compensation.
Yes, they will look back at their previous attempts at getting exactly what they want and being denied, and they will say "Eh, it didn't work then, so I should not see what I can do as a last resort to keep them from killing me".
That makes sense.
I don't think the Iranian leadership fears death. This is an existential war for them
For all of them? 100% of them? What are they, stormtroopers?
It just takes one guy that wants to be supreme leader of the country more than he wants death, and we are all good.
Sid Farkas said:Keyno said:Sid Farkas said:
They're fighting to rid the world of fundamentalist Islam once and for all. There is no higher calling at this day in age.
Yeah I am not sure that is the stated objectives of this war. I not sure what the stated objectives really are because they have never really been clarified/are ever changing. I am pretty sure I have not heard "rid the world of fundamentalist Islam" as an objective of this war yet. Maybe if our military articulated to our troops that "they are fighting to rid the world of fundamentalist Islam once and for all", they may be receptive to that.
It's a culmination of a methodical process: Abraham accords, dismantling Hamas, Hezbollah and taking out Iran's nuke sites.
Trump & Netanyahu put together a coalition with Arabs...Iran has been methodically isolated and disarmed. It's brilliant - but the final nail/coffin isn't going quite as planned.
Keyno said:BusterAg said:Keyno said:Phatbob said:Quote:
Iran is denying any talks are talking place. Why would Iran talk with the United States anymore? We unilaterally backed out of a deal in 2018 which they were adhering to. We assassinated Soleimani 2020. We allowed Israel to directly attack them during negotiations in 2025. And then we personally attacked them in 2026 during negotiations.
Furthermore, the US and Israel are both now just openly calling for "regime change". I see zero reason why Iran would ever "talk" with us ever again unless they received serious concessions/compensation.
Yes, they will look back at their previous attempts at getting exactly what they want and being denied, and they will say "Eh, it didn't work then, so I should not see what I can do as a last resort to keep them from killing me".
That makes sense.
I don't think the Iranian leadership fears death. This is an existential war for them
For all of them? 100% of them? What are they, stormtroopers?
It just takes one guy that wants to be supreme leader of the country more than he wants death, and we are all good.
IDK man. This board is where I learned that the regime is irrational bloodthirsty pyschos intent on bringing about the end of the world and killing as many people as possible.
Keyno said:Sid Farkas said:Keyno said:Sid Farkas said:
They're fighting to rid the world of fundamentalist Islam once and for all. There is no higher calling at this day in age.
Yeah I am not sure that is the stated objectives of this war. I not sure what the stated objectives really are because they have never really been clarified/are ever changing. I am pretty sure I have not heard "rid the world of fundamentalist Islam" as an objective of this war yet. Maybe if our military articulated to our troops that "they are fighting to rid the world of fundamentalist Islam once and for all", they may be receptive to that.
It's a culmination of a methodical process: Abraham accords, dismantling Hamas, Hezbollah and taking out Iran's nuke sites.
Trump & Netanyahu put together a coalition with Arabs...Iran has been methodically isolated and disarmed. It's brilliant - but the final nail/coffin isn't going quite as planned.
OK so our stated objectives are ending Iran's threat to Israel. Maybe that's why we have troops saying "We don't want to go die for Israel".
Sid Farkas said:Keyno said:Sid Farkas said:Keyno said:Sid Farkas said:
They're fighting to rid the world of fundamentalist Islam once and for all. There is no higher calling at this day in age.
Yeah I am not sure that is the stated objectives of this war. I not sure what the stated objectives really are because they have never really been clarified/are ever changing. I am pretty sure I have not heard "rid the world of fundamentalist Islam" as an objective of this war yet. Maybe if our military articulated to our troops that "they are fighting to rid the world of fundamentalist Islam once and for all", they may be receptive to that.
It's a culmination of a methodical process: Abraham accords, dismantling Hamas, Hezbollah and taking out Iran's nuke sites.
Trump & Netanyahu put together a coalition with Arabs...Iran has been methodically isolated and disarmed. It's brilliant - but the final nail/coffin isn't going quite as planned.
OK so our stated objectives are ending Iran's threat to Israel. Maybe that's why we have troops saying "We don't want to go die for Israel".
There have been over 40k Islamic terror attacks of varying sizes since 9/11, the vast majority not directed at Israel.
The planet is too small to share with Islamic fascists. They are an existential threat. The table has been carefully set to finish them off.
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We do not have a stated war goal of "rid the world of fundamentalist Islam once and for all".
Who?mikejones! said:Keyno said:As Trump mulls deploying ground troops to Iran, a veteran and reservist who mentors younger officers told HuffPost, “I’m hearing out of service members’ mouths the words, ‘We do not want to die for Israel.’”
— AF Post (@AFpost) March 22, 2026
Follow: @AFpost pic.twitter.com/0iJgl6iMJQ
Lolz
cecil77 said:Quote:
We do not have a stated war goal of "rid the world of fundamentalist Islam once and for all".
It's ok to dream, isn't it?
if you really believe this, grab a chair and get comfy because you'll be waiting a long time. this crusade will be about as effective at achieving this goal as the previous ones.Sid Farkas said:
They're fighting to rid the world of fundamentalist Islam once and for all. There is no higher calling at this day and age.
2024: no more forever wars in the middle eastAg with kids said:cecil77 said:Quote:
We do not have a stated war goal of "rid the world of fundamentalist Islam once and for all".
It's ok to dream, isn't it?
Unfortunately, it''s been a dream for 1500 years...
Gordo14 said:
I just want to point out that the current situation suggests Iran is going to walk away with more power and influence over the flows through the strait than before the war started. Did we cause regime change - no, the younger son runs the show now. Did we destroy their nuclear capability - no, not at all. Did we reopen the straits without Iran controlling traffic through their waters and taking tolls from those ships - no. A complete and utter failure that will have ramifications for generations. If only the outcome wasn't so predictable. I guarantee you every military expert and leader told Trump this was a possible outcome, but he is a narcissist. And yeah we're still likely to see much higher energy prices in the coming months.