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Iran is denying any talks are talking place. Why would Iran talk with the United States anymore? We unilaterally backed out of a deal in 2018 which they were adhering to. We assassinated Soleimani 2020. We allowed Israel to directly attack them during negotiations in 2025. And then we personally attacked them in 2026 during negotiations.

Furthermore, the US and Israel are both now just openly calling for "regime change". I see zero reason why Iran would ever "talk" with us ever again unless they received serious concessions/compensation.

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Yes, they will look back at their previous attempts at getting exactly what they want and being denied, and they will say "Eh, it didn't work then, so I should not see what I can do as a last resort to keep them from killing me".

That makes sense.

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I don't think the Iranian leadership fears death. This is an existential war for them

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JUST IN: 🇷🇺🇮🇷 Russia urges Iran to end hostilities immediately and move toward diplomatic resolution. pic.twitter.com/DCTFKPon3d

— BRICS News (@BRICSinfo) March 23, 2026

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Keyno said:

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Iran is denying any talks are talking place. Why would Iran talk with the United States anymore? We unilaterally backed out of a deal in 2018 which they were adhering to. We assassinated Soleimani 2020. We allowed Israel to directly attack them during negotiations in 2025. And then we personally attacked them in 2026 during negotiations.

Furthermore, the US and Israel are both now just openly calling for "regime change". I see zero reason why Iran would ever "talk" with us ever again unless they received serious concessions/compensation.

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Yes, they will look back at their previous attempts at getting exactly what they want and being denied, and they will say "Eh, it didn't work then, so I should not see what I can do as a last resort to keep them from killing me".

That makes sense.

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I don't think the Iranian leadership fears death. This is an existential war for them

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OK, but not only was that not your argument (US is not a good negotiating partner) you also don't believe they are religiously suicidal for the cause of chaos. Your arguments here are diametrically opposed.

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All accounts? What accounts are you referring to?

My account tells me Trump is not doing someone else's bidding if it is not aligning with his own views. So no, Israel is not dictating to Trump no matter how much you want that to be true.

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Exact same script, 10 years apart: Trump “Compromised by Putin” - NOW “Blackmailed by Netanyahu.” No lessons learned. Same playbook. pic.twitter.com/SzbSWu6dhR

— Nathan Livingstone (MilkBarTV) (@TheMilkBarTV) March 24, 2026

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I guarantee you every military expert and leader told Trump this was a possible outcome

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By all accounts, Trump did not listen to the military generals. He listened to Netanyahu

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I instructed today the Secretary-General of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Emigrants to summon the Iranian Chargé d’Affaires in Lebanon to inform him of the decision to withdraw the agrément for the designated Iranian Ambassador, Mohammad Reza Shibani, declare him persona…

— Youssef Raggi (@YoussefRaggi) March 24, 2026

France's army chief said on Tuesday that the United States had become an unpredictable ​ally that was impacting France's interests and security-Reuters

— WarMonitor🇺🇦🇬🇧 (@WarMonitor3) March 24, 2026

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We do not have a stated war goal of "rid the world of fundamentalist Islam once and for all".

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It's ok to dream, isn't it?

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Unfortunately, it''s been a dream for 1500 years...

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BQ78 said:

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Several MSM outlets were reporting that in the lead up to hostilities, take it for what it is worth.

As a former military officer I would not have recommended this without an actual plan for regime change. I think Trump overestimated the desire for change by the Iranian people.

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nortex97 said:

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BQ78 said:

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Several MSM outlets were reporting that in the lead up to hostilities, take it for what it is worth.

As a former military officer I would not have recommended this without an actual plan for regime change. I think Trump overestimated the desire for change by the Iranian people.

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Well, MSM outlets I can believe would fabricate such details.

As a former military officer as well, I think your analyses is flawed as Trump has yet to announce to the Iranian people that now is the time to go back into the streets/take charge after advising them to stay in/safe pending the bombing campaign. Through the fog of war, even with all of our 'osint' and satellite types of data/online chatter we just don't have a clear picture of where things are, which I think is precisely what leads to some of our disagreements as to what is going on based on our preconceptions/what we want to see. Assuming MSM has sources among the active-duty generals Trump is talking with to me is a bridge too far.

Personally, I think the vast majority of the Iranian people very passionately want to be rid of the IRGC/Ayatollahs. We see a lot of hyperbole/fake news in our MSM about things like 'ICE is killing people' but imagine how strongly Americans would feel if the government really did kill 75K+ Americans for protesting (proportionately vs. 30K Iranians) just this year, including prominent athletes/celebrities. My point is mainly just that to make the leap that Iranians don't favor a 'regime change' is highly presumptuous, based on all the reporting I trust/rate as accurate.

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The Mossad appears to be responsible for fomenting anti-regime protests in Iran, resulting in thousands of civilian deaths, in an attempt to give the illusion that the Iranian regime was close to being toppled in a gambit to force Trump to attack Iran.

The report declares that… pic.twitter.com/GKddLzZAPO

— AF Post (@AFpost) March 23, 2026

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We do not have a stated war goal of "rid the world of fundamentalist Islam once and for all".

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It's ok to dream, isn't it?

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Unfortunately, it''s been a dream for 1500 years...

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Nope. This (since 1979) Radical Islam is different, and is what needs to end.

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https://t.co/ptiBIxP35U

— AF Post (@AFpost) March 23, 2026

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You forgot to note that this is sourced to the NY Slimes propagandists including Ronen Bergman, their man in Tel Aviv. Scroll thru his articles and I think folks would be unsurprised by his takes, but whatever, believe it if you want to:

https://t.co/ptiBIxP35U

— AF Post (@AFpost) March 23, 2026

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Keyno said:

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nortex97 said:

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You forgot to note that this is sourced to the NY Slimes propagandists including Ronen Bergman, their man in Tel Aviv. Scroll thru his articles and I think folks would be unsurprised by his takes, but whatever, believe it if you want to:

https://t.co/ptiBIxP35U

— AF Post (@AFpost) March 23, 2026

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What's your argument? He is lying?

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ttu_85 said:

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Keyno said:

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nortex97 said:

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You forgot to note that this is sourced to the NY Slimes propagandists including Ronen Bergman, their man in Tel Aviv. Scroll thru his articles and I think folks would be unsurprised by his takes, but whatever, believe it if you want to:

https://t.co/ptiBIxP35U

— AF Post (@AFpost) March 23, 2026

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What's your argument? He is lying?

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Where is your evidence and argument he is telling the truth ? See how weak this line of "debating" really is. Many questions can be answered by long term observation, experience, knowledge of the history and story background of the subject and deductive reasoning, if, if you have factual information or keen observation.

Beats the hell out of quoting crap from the likes of the Guardian, CNN, NYT, CBS even Fox News. Many people these days to NOT recognize those "news" sources as legitimate and haven't in several decades when they have been found time after time carrying water for the left or the right.

We call this polarization. It happens when media makes or interprets news along ideological lines instead of objectively report it.

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ttu_85 said:

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Keyno said:

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nortex97 said:

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You forgot to note that this is sourced to the NY Slimes propagandists including Ronen Bergman, their man in Tel Aviv. Scroll thru his articles and I think folks would be unsurprised by his takes, but whatever, believe it if you want to:

https://t.co/ptiBIxP35U

— AF Post (@AFpost) March 23, 2026

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What's your argument? He is lying?

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Where is your evidence and argument he is telling the truth ? See how weak this line of "debating" really is. Many questions can be answered by long term observation, experience, knowledge of the history and story background of the subject and deductive reasoning, if, if you have factual information or keen observation.

Beats the hell out of quoting crap from the likes of the Guardian, CNN, NYT, CBS even Fox News. Many people these days to NOT recognize those "news" sources as legitimate and haven't in several decades when they have been found time after time carrying water for the left or the right.

We call this polarization. It happens when media makes or interprets news along ideological lines instead of objectively report it.

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Prince Mohammed bin Salman sees a "historic opportunity" to remake the region, according to people briefed by U.S. officials on the conversations.

In a series of conversations over the last week, Prince Mohammed has conveyed to Mr. Trump that he must press toward the destruction of Iran's hard-line government, the people familiar with the conversations said.

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Sid Farkas said:

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Sorry JewAnons...This isn't about 'fighting Israel's war'.

Saudi Prince Is Said to Push Trump to Continue Iran War in Recent Calls

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Prince Mohammed bin Salman sees a "historic opportunity" to remake the region, according to people briefed by U.S. officials on the conversations.

In a series of conversations over the last week, Prince Mohammed has conveyed to Mr. Trump that he must press toward the destruction of Iran's hard-line government, the people familiar with the conversations said.

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Saudi Prince Is Said to Push Trump to Continue Iran War in Recent Calls - The New York Times

It's a righteous war.

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No Spin Ag said:

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Sid Farkas said:

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Sorry JewAnons...This isn't about 'fighting Israel's war'.

Saudi Prince Is Said to Push Trump to Continue Iran War in Recent Calls

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Prince Mohammed bin Salman sees a "historic opportunity" to remake the region, according to people briefed by U.S. officials on the conversations.

In a series of conversations over the last week, Prince Mohammed has conveyed to Mr. Trump that he must press toward the destruction of Iran's hard-line government, the people familiar with the conversations said.

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Saudi Prince Is Said to Push Trump to Continue Iran War in Recent Calls - The New York Times

It's a righteous war.

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So we've got stories about it being the Jews of Israel pushing us to war with Iran and now the Muslims of Saudi Arabia pushing us with Iran?

Who knew we'd see a day where Jews, Christians AND Muslims would all be working together for a better tomorrow.

Now this is stuff you can't make up, or can you?

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No Spin Ag said:

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Sid Farkas said:

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Sorry JewAnons...This isn't about 'fighting Israel's war'.

Saudi Prince Is Said to Push Trump to Continue Iran War in Recent Calls

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Prince Mohammed bin Salman sees a "historic opportunity" to remake the region, according to people briefed by U.S. officials on the conversations.

In a series of conversations over the last week, Prince Mohammed has conveyed to Mr. Trump that he must press toward the destruction of Iran's hard-line government, the people familiar with the conversations said.

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Saudi Prince Is Said to Push Trump to Continue Iran War in Recent Calls - The New York Times

It's a righteous war.

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So we've got stories about it being the Jews of Israel pushing us to war with Iran and now the Muslims of Saudi Arabia pushing us with Iran?

Who knew we'd see a day where Jews, Christians AND Muslims would all be working together for a better tomorrow.

Now this is stuff you can't make up, or can you?

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Keyno said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Keyno said:

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nortex97 said:

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You forgot to note that this is sourced to the NY Slimes propagandists including Ronen Bergman, their man in Tel Aviv. Scroll thru his articles and I think folks would be unsurprised by his takes, but whatever, believe it if you want to:

https://t.co/ptiBIxP35U

— AF Post (@AFpost) March 23, 2026

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What's your argument? He is lying?

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Where is your evidence and argument he is telling the truth ? See how weak this line of "debating" really is. Many questions can be answered by long term observation, experience, knowledge of the history and story background of the subject and deductive reasoning, if, if you have factual information or keen observation.

Beats the hell out of quoting crap from the likes of the Guardian, CNN, NYT, CBS even Fox News. Many people these days to NOT recognize those "news" sources as legitimate and haven't in several decades when they have been found time after time carrying water for the left or the right.

We call this polarization. It happens when media makes or interprets news along ideological lines instead of objectively report it.

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I quoted the NY Times? I guess read the article

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ttu_85 said:

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Keyno said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Keyno said:

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nortex97 said:

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You forgot to note that this is sourced to the NY Slimes propagandists including Ronen Bergman, their man in Tel Aviv. Scroll thru his articles and I think folks would be unsurprised by his takes, but whatever, believe it if you want to:

https://t.co/ptiBIxP35U

— AF Post (@AFpost) March 23, 2026

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What's your argument? He is lying?

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Where is your evidence and argument he is telling the truth ? See how weak this line of "debating" really is. Many questions can be answered by long term observation, experience, knowledge of the history and story background of the subject and deductive reasoning, if, if you have factual information or keen observation.

Beats the hell out of quoting crap from the likes of the Guardian, CNN, NYT, CBS even Fox News. Many people these days to NOT recognize those "news" sources as legitimate and haven't in several decades when they have been found time after time carrying water for the left or the right.

We call this polarization. It happens when media makes or interprets news along ideological lines instead of objectively report it.

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I quoted the NY Times? I guess read the article

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The NYT ? No thanks. That has been a rag since the early '70's. Then, in the 80's when we had to use it as a source, along with the and the WSJ, to make cases, I learned first hand my Vietnam vet uncles had understated the "rag" charge. This happened when the left went nuts over Reagan placing Pershing II IRBM's in Germany to counter an aggressive USSR. History, in that case showed the NYT to be so wrong, so arrogant, yet so clueless. So why trust that rag now. It hasn't changed.

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Keyno said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Sid Farkas said:

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Sorry JewAnons...This isn't about 'fighting Israel's war'.

Saudi Prince Is Said to Push Trump to Continue Iran War in Recent Calls

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Prince Mohammed bin Salman sees a "historic opportunity" to remake the region, according to people briefed by U.S. officials on the conversations.

In a series of conversations over the last week, Prince Mohammed has conveyed to Mr. Trump that he must press toward the destruction of Iran's hard-line government, the people familiar with the conversations said.

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Saudi Prince Is Said to Push Trump to Continue Iran War in Recent Calls - The New York Times

It's a righteous war.

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So we've got stories about it being the Jews of Israel pushing us to war with Iran and now the Muslims of Saudi Arabia pushing us with Iran?

Who knew we'd see a day where Jews, Christians AND Muslims would all be working together for a better tomorrow.

Now this is stuff you can't make up, or can you?

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Notice how you mentioned 2 ME desert tribes pushing the US to war? I am sure that was an accident.

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Sid Farkas said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Sid Farkas said:

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Sorry JewAnons...This isn't about 'fighting Israel's war'.

Saudi Prince Is Said to Push Trump to Continue Iran War in Recent Calls

Quote:

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Prince Mohammed bin Salman sees a "historic opportunity" to remake the region, according to people briefed by U.S. officials on the conversations.

In a series of conversations over the last week, Prince Mohammed has conveyed to Mr. Trump that he must press toward the destruction of Iran's hard-line government, the people familiar with the conversations said.

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Saudi Prince Is Said to Push Trump to Continue Iran War in Recent Calls - The New York Times

It's a righteous war.

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So we've got stories about it being the Jews of Israel pushing us to war with Iran and now the Muslims of Saudi Arabia pushing us with Iran?

Who knew we'd see a day where Jews, Christians AND Muslims would all be working together for a better tomorrow.

Now this is stuff you can't make up, or can you?

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Bin Salman, Trump, Kushner, Witkoff and Netanyahu deserve to share a Nobel prize for doing what would've been unthinkable a decade ago. ME Peace & the end of institutionalized Islamism are possible. The biggest impediment is TDS.

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Keyno said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Sid Farkas said:

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Sorry JewAnons...This isn't about 'fighting Israel's war'.

Saudi Prince Is Said to Push Trump to Continue Iran War in Recent Calls

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Prince Mohammed bin Salman sees a "historic opportunity" to remake the region, according to people briefed by U.S. officials on the conversations.

In a series of conversations over the last week, Prince Mohammed has conveyed to Mr. Trump that he must press toward the destruction of Iran's hard-line government, the people familiar with the conversations said.

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Saudi Prince Is Said to Push Trump to Continue Iran War in Recent Calls - The New York Times

It's a righteous war.

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So we've got stories about it being the Jews of Israel pushing us to war with Iran and now the Muslims of Saudi Arabia pushing us with Iran?

Who knew we'd see a day where Jews, Christians AND Muslims would all be working together for a better tomorrow.

Now this is stuff you can't make up, or can you?

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Notice how you mentioned 2 ME desert tribes pushing the US to war? I am sure that was an accident.

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“There is no proof that the Iranian regime is threatening America”.

Literally the Speaker of the Iranian Parliament, Mohammad-Bagher Ghalibaf, leading chants of “DEATH TO AMERICA” during a parliamentary session: pic.twitter.com/STMSLdIzpd

— Amir Ohana - אמיר אוחנה (@AmirOhana) March 23, 2026

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Old McDonald said:

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cecil77 said:

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We do not have a stated war goal of "rid the world of fundamentalist Islam once and for all".

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It's ok to dream, isn't it?

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Unfortunately, it''s been a dream for 1500 years...

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2024: no more forever wars in the middle east
2026: there is no higher calling than the forever war in the middle east

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Hey...

Zero people in these posts said anything about forever war.

So don't LIE and put words in my mouth.

I'm ****ing sick of the GASLIGHTING you're trying to do.


Head over to that burnt orange site...they'll LOVE you there...

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