Political fallout and arguments regarding the US-Israeli action against Iran 022824

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Yukon Cornelius
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People predicted this. Countries would run out of time and just negotiate directly with Iran. Ultimately strengthening Iran and further isolating Israel.
cecil77
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That's nuts. You're making the assertion that he's dead. The burden is on YOU to prove he's dead.
Dungeon Crawler Carl
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It's the obvious move for him to make after what happened yesterday.

It was designed to give him options and what he needs.

Options:
- it calms markets (a bit) going into the weekend.
- it gets the American Oligarchs/Wall Street crowd off his back for a couple days
- It gives him time to consider the next moves and tap the breaks on negative headlines
- it allows for him to appear to slow attack volume in the Iranian/worlds eyes while providing cover to reposition military assets/build forces
- it gives Israel time to find a new handler to replace Bibi and provide new marching orders


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He's a narcissistic megalomaniac on a power trip, this move keeps him in the global center of attention for at least a couple days. All eyes will be on him, world leaders will reach out for answers, everyone will be talking about him, yes men in his cabinet will be congratulating him on the stunning victory. The endorphin rush will keep him pumped up through the weekend.


Let's not kid ourselves though, this isn't a move toward peace, it's a time out to recalculate what he claims is strategy. The man has two failed marriages and 6 six business bankruptcies between 1991 and 2014. He has a history of very poor decision making, he's not going to change now.


WW3 here we come.......
Dungeon Crawler Carl
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I have really bad ADHD.....
Phatbob
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FobTies said:

Dont worry, soon enough you and others here will also be saying this is Israel's war, just as Charlie repeatedly said. You just have to wait a little bit longer for Trump to withdraw and the war sugar high to wear off.

Keep telling yourself that. I'm no Trump fan, and that has nothing to do with your only hearing what you want to from something that is obviously not what you think it is.

Your complete inability to see anything but "It's Israels fault" is blinding you to reality and just repeating the same thing over and over is not making a point other than making it obvious that you can't see it.
Cinco Ranch Aggie
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WW3 here we come.......

Well, we are the back-to-back champs at this kind of thing, but even so, nope, World War III is not about to break out.
FobTies
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Charlie was against war in Iran. He called it Israel's war. That upsets you. So you lash out at me with strawmen.

This thread is about political fallout. Kirk had many discussions about Iran War fallout. On Piers Morgan yesterday, Ben Ferguson said "it was insane for Iran to attack and bring these Gulf States in, if you ask any military expert, they didint expect it". Charlie Kirk literally predicted just that, on his show below.

This is totally relevant. Others chime in here to try and paint Kirk as pro Iran war with clips about Midnight Hammer. Charlie spoke for himself below, long form, about an Iran war:

Phatbob
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Are you serious? Yes, he called it "Israel's War" because ... /gasp... it was the first hours of the actions last Summer, in which only Israel was doing any kinetic action. It was, in the first hours, Israel's war.

This was about LAST SUMMER. Not about the current situation and to imply that it was about all action ever in Iran is duplicitous.

Kirk mentioned Iran causing a regional mess as "worst case", where Iran could send 900,000 troops into Iraq. Yes, that would be a worst case, but that is not a prediction, nor is that what happened then, nor is it happening now.

Stop the constant misrepresentation and derailing.
samurai_science
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Who cares what Charlie Kirk thought? Hes was just a man...
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

It's the obvious move for him to make after what happened yesterday.

It was designed to give him options and what he needs.

Options:
- it calms markets (a bit) going into the weekend.
- it gets the American Oligarchs/Wall Street crowd off his back for a couple days
- It gives him time to consider the next moves and tap the breaks on negative headlines
- it allows for him to appear to slow attack volume in the Iranian/worlds eyes while providing cover to reposition military assets/build forces
- it gives Israel time to find a new handler to replace Bibi and provide new marching orders


Needs:
He's a narcissistic megalomaniac on a power trip, this move keeps him in the global center of attention for at least a couple days. All eyes will be on him, world leaders will reach out for answers, everyone will be talking about him, yes men in his cabinet will be congratulating him on the stunning victory. The endorphin rush will keep him pumped up through the weekend.


Let's not kid ourselves though, this isn't a move toward peace, it's a time out to recalculate what he claims is strategy. The man has two failed marriages and 6 six business bankruptcies between 1991 and 2014. He has a history of very poor decision making, he's not going to change now.


WW3 here we come.......


60 Days max, will you be here when WW3 does not arrive, or will you continue to troll?
samurai_science
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cecil77 said:

That's nuts. You're making the assertion that he's dead. The burden is on YOU to prove he's dead.

Its a troll account
Phatbob
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Does it count as WW3 if it is everyone against Iran? I kinda feel like Iran needs some pals willing to jump in before we call it a world war... and I don't see any evidence of anyone else taking their side. I am sure you do, though, with everything else you seem to be seeing.
FobTies
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Phatbob said:


Stop the constant misrepresentation and derailing.

Its not derailing, as I said, this thread is about political fallout of Iran War. The legend Charlie Kirk, and frequent oval office visitor, succinctly editorialized that potential fallout. That episode might be the most relevant video posted on this thread. Its why you all hate me posting it. I post the full long form contexualized episode, and many here cry foul.

Here is another long form on topic video. I know many of you slurped up the Joe Kent talking points and dont have the attention span for long form. But this is also very relevant insight on political fallout, even if you disagree.

Yukon Cornelius
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I know none of them listened to the short one I posted with Brent…a Jew…. They aren't being logical. The are just reacting with preconceived basis based on theological doctrine, namely dispensationalism. Which is why we see a major divergence on this topic between generations because dispensationalism has lost a lot of adoption by the younger generations.


FobTies
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Yep, whats crazy is how predictable it all is. We are just weeks away from all those here calling us "jew haters", coming to terms with the fact this is Israel's war. That it was never about "hating jews", but instead about avoiding another costly ME regime change war. Something Trump campaigned on.
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Good to see, took a while though. Still need to get out of Nato this afternoon.
Phatbob
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Its not derailing, as I said, this thread is about political fallout of Iran War. The legend Charlie Kirk, and frequent oval office visitor, succinctly editorialized that potential fallout. That episode might be the most relevant video posted on this thread. Its why you all hate me posting it. I post the full long form contexualized episode, and many here cry foul.

You can, and obviously will, post it all you want, but you are claiming he is saying something he is not, and cannot because he is dead and you are putting words in his mouth. That's the complaint.
FobTies
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Phatbob said:

you are claiming he is saying something he is not, and cannot because he is dead and you are putting words in his mouth.

Thats a bald faced lie. I never put words in his mouth. I posted videos of Kirk himself claiming this is "Israel's war", and we should avoid it. I cant speak for Joe Kent's claim that Kirk said "dont let us start a war with Iran". But I can watch and listen to his own show. Something you and other cant do, apparently.

In fact, we see many posting Charlie comments on Midnight Hammer, and attributing them to Epic Fury. Thats what is wrong.
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FobTies said:

Thats a lie, I never put words in his mouth. I posted videos of he himself claiming this is "Israel's war", and we should avoid it. I cant speak for Joe Kent's claim that Kirk said "dont let us start a war with Iran". But I can watch and listen to his own show. Something you and other cant do, apparently.

Oh, I watched it, and he is talking about the current events at the time, being the first hours of the actions in the Summer of 2025 in which Israel was the only participant. THAT IS NOT TODAY. So, yes, by claiming that TODAY'S situation, a different set of circumstances entirely almost a year later, after he is dead, is putting words in his mouth.

You are hearing what you want to hear and ignoring everything else.
FobTies
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You are hopeless. Like I said, we will check back in with you and others when yall come to terms with the fact this is Israel's War. Until then, keep digging.
Yukon Cornelius
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The entire Brent interview is very good
Yukon Cornelius
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Some people still think the Iraq war was justified and we will find those wmd any day now
nortex97
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I haven't ever cared about Joe Kent, and won't start now let alone in long-form with Tucker Carston, I just don't take him seriously as I consider him a serial liar. Yes, it reflects poorly that Tulsi/Trump selected him but it is what it is.


More at the threads/links. This clown was considered a 'Putin boot licker' last week so it is pretty amusing to see the left side of our political 'spectrum' suddenly champion his claims.
Phatbob
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FobTies said:

You are hopeless. Like I said, we will check back in with you and others when yall come to terms with the fact this is Israel's War. Until then, keep digging.

Oh, I am sure that no matter what happens in real life, your opinion will be the same.
FobTies
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Yes, its called having principles. Unlike you and others here, I dont have to wait for Trump to claim this is Israel's war, to adopt that viewpoint. We see the majority of F16 change their opinions in sync with Trump. This war will be no different.
BMX Bandit
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If you don't know who Dugin is, take a moment to read up on him.

Old May Banker
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Vance is spot on... whether a business, non-profit, local, state, or federal... what he spells out is EXACTLY as it should be.
Ellis Wyatt
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You are taking a guy working for Iran at face value?

Good luck with that. I hope he ends up tried and hung.
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

It's the obvious move for him to make after what happened yesterday.

It was designed to give him options and what he needs.

Options:
- it calms markets (a bit) going into the weekend.
- it gets the American Oligarchs/Wall Street crowd off his back for a couple days
- It gives him time to consider the next moves and tap the breaks on negative headlines
- it allows for him to appear to slow attack volume in the Iranian/worlds eyes while providing cover to reposition military assets/build forces
- it gives Israel time to find a new handler to replace Bibi and provide new marching orders


Needs:
He's a narcissistic megalomaniac on a power trip, this move keeps him in the global center of attention for at least a couple days. All eyes will be on him, world leaders will reach out for answers, everyone will be talking about him, yes men in his cabinet will be congratulating him on the stunning victory. The endorphin rush will keep him pumped up through the weekend.


Let's not kid ourselves though, this isn't a move toward peace, it's a time out to recalculate what he claims is strategy. The man has two failed marriages and 6 six business bankruptcies between 1991 and 2014. He has a history of very poor decision making, he's not going to change now.


WW3 here we come.......


Wow…….get help.
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
FobTies
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Trump posting shade at Bibi. And so it begins....

Rapier108
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Yawn, not what you think it says.

He also told Iran to back off targeting anything energy related or the US would blow their gas facilities off the face of the Earth.
FobTies
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What do you think I think it means?

Trump posted publicly that Bibi lashed out without informing him. He didnt call up Bibi, then post only against Iran. He decided to post that Bibi basically bombed behind his back.

Ive said from day 1 that Bibi would eventually get the Zelensky treatment from Trump. And that you all would jump on board when it happens. Trump isnt going to do the drawn out regime change war, that Bibi wants. This post is just a tiny fracture of whats to come.
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Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

He's a narcissistic megalomaniac

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FobTies said:

Im Gipper said:



Kirk was unwavering in his opposition to war in Iran. Midnight Hammer wasn't war. Dont think anyone on F16 would consider it that.

Kirk told Joe Kent, dont let us start a WAR with Iran. More context below. As Kent said, Trump can still end it soon. And it looks like he is already starting to throw Bibi under the bus as I predicted.



Well, that !war has it's own wiki page for the Twelve Day War
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What I've learned in the various threads that all discuss the same thing: if you oppose the Iran war, you are pro-Islam and antisemitic. Weird times we live in.
 
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