Political fallout and arguments regarding the US-Israeli action against Iran 022824
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“.. Trump told aides he’s willing to end the U.S. military campaign against Iran even if the Strait of Hormuz remains largely closed .. likely extending Tehran’s firm grip on the waterway and leaving a complex operation to reopen it for a later date.”@WSJ… pic.twitter.com/a7h10ETD8W
— Carl Quintanilla (@carlquintanilla) March 31, 2026
To steal an expression I heard earlier, the people running Iran now have shorter beards. The business guys at running the country not the religion guys.
Speculating there's a deal that would allow Iran to toll the Strait perhaps.
Speculating there's a deal that would allow Iran to toll the Strait perhaps.
Yukon Cornelius said:
https://time.com/article/2026/03/18/tulsi-gabbard-iran-nuclear-trump/
There is a difference between testifying and included in a report.
AggieCVQ said:
At least this is a response, but Reuters reported otherwise.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/trump-iranian-missile-claim-unsupported-by-us-intelligence-say-sources-2026-02-27/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
Yeah, a lot of different sources have made a lot of different claims on a lot aspects in this deal. Trump says one thing, Iran says another, some agency says another, some other diplomat says another. There is so much noise and so many agendas out there it's tough to decide who you want to believe.
Western hemisphere crude and LP exports are going to be record numbers next month. It's like Trump planned on replacing those extra outgoing exported light crudes with Venezuela/WTI blends for home use.
The company I consult with will be exporting 4x more than normal.
Canada also making jingle jangle. No rush to open the strait.
The company I consult with will be exporting 4x more than normal.
Canada also making jingle jangle. No rush to open the strait.
5Amp said:
Western hemisphere crude and LP exports are going to be record numbers next month. It's like Trump planned on replacing those extra outgoing exported light crudes with Venezuela/WTI blends for home use.
The company I consult with will be exporting 4x more than normal.
Canada also making jingle jangle. No rush to open the strait.
Dang, American companies benefiting, what the hell is he thinking.
ShaggySLC said:5Amp said:
Western hemisphere crude and LP exports are going to be record numbers next month. It's like Trump planned on replacing those extra outgoing exported light crudes with Venezuela/WTI blends for home use.
The company I consult with will be exporting 4x more than normal.
Canada also making jingle jangle. No rush to open the strait.
Dang, American companies benefiting, what the hell is he thinking.
Hell yeah. Donors benefitting on behalf of the American taxpayer to the tune of idk how many billion a day. Sounds like every other not a war in history. Groooovyyyyy
FWTXAg said:ShaggySLC said:5Amp said:
Western hemisphere crude and LP exports are going to be record numbers next month. It's like Trump planned on replacing those extra outgoing exported light crudes with Venezuela/WTI blends for home use.
The company I consult with will be exporting 4x more than normal.
Canada also making jingle jangle. No rush to open the strait.
Dang, American companies benefiting, what the hell is he thinking.
Hell yeah. Donors benefitting on behalf of the American taxpayer to the tune of idk how many billion a day. Sounds like every other not a war in history. Groooovyyyyy
This war seems different than other wars since I graduated in 01. If boots go on the ground and it looks like my 14 year old will experience the last 25 years I experienced, I'll be the first to call him out. Don't see that yet, maybe its coming like you say, but I doubt it. The Trump is going to destroy us crowd has lost their luster. I can still see where all this will benefit my 14 year old, and still see the people like you that are fine with his life and work going to illegals also.
the companies make more money, but their customers spend more on a scarcer commodity, making it a net negative for the economy. same way food shortages are bad even though the grocery store might make more money.ShaggySLC said:5Amp said:
Western hemisphere crude and LP exports are going to be record numbers next month. It's like Trump planned on replacing those extra outgoing exported light crudes with Venezuela/WTI blends for home use.
The company I consult with will be exporting 4x more than normal.
Canada also making jingle jangle. No rush to open the strait.
Dang, American companies benefiting, what the hell is he thinking.
bobbranco said:AGHouston11 said:
Obviously the objectives and messaging on this war has been terrible since the beginning.
Yes. Distorted by the isolationists and anti-Trump (war) folks. Daily fictional harangues by the Fuentes followers and leftists. Odd bedfellows.
No you don't need any of their words.
Just the campaign and the administration's own words. In fact it's because of that it lends credibility to the fringes because many predicted during the campaign the very things happening now. I recall thinking how stupid their comments were at the time.
I hope the president navigates his way out of this. But if he doesn't the things he said about Bush, Obama, and Biden will unfortunately be his legacy.
Old McDonald said:ShaggySLC said:5Amp said:
Western hemisphere crude and LP exports are going to be record numbers next month. It's like Trump planned on replacing those extra outgoing exported light crudes with Venezuela/WTI blends for home use.
The company I consult with will be exporting 4x more than normal.
Canada also making jingle jangle. No rush to open the strait.
Dang, American companies benefiting, what the hell is he thinking.
the companies make more money, but their customers spend more on a scarcer commodity, making it a net negative for the economy. same way food shortages are bad even though the grocery store might make more money.
Bur American companies aren't feeling the pain of Europeans right? Sure we're at the bottom of the Obama and Biden administrations gas prices but we all know its temporary including you. If its not slam dunk on me.
the world needs this strait open and free flowing, ASAP
BCA's Iran Conflict Daily Dashboard | BCA Research
BCA's Iran Conflict Daily Dashboard | BCA Research
Proves to me that Iran is lead by psychos.
The bottom line is that politically, most Americans see us winning vs. Iran:
If the conflict finishes in the next month or two in a 'positive way' I'd expect the rebound heading toward November to be positive, and reconciliation to keep the government running thru the fall regardless of senate theatrics.
Middle east states want us to continue thru to a 'decisive' victory. West coast communists are furious that oil is pumping locally again, at a high clip (Trump use of defense production act authority to make it happen is a political result from the conflict).
I'd say things are going pretty well, politically with the war. It might even lead to us getting out of nato, but will have to see if that materializes afterward.
In the war with Iran, is Iran or the U.S. winning right now?
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) March 30, 2026
🇺🇸 United States: 76%
🇮🇷 Iran: 24%
——
Democrats: US 66-34
Republicans: US 91-9
Independents: US 70-30
Harvard/Harris | 3/25-26 | 2,009 RV pic.twitter.com/Zaocyl8lR7
If the conflict finishes in the next month or two in a 'positive way' I'd expect the rebound heading toward November to be positive, and reconciliation to keep the government running thru the fall regardless of senate theatrics.
Quote:
51 percent support the strikes, 49 percent are opposed. So it's tight, but they support it. If you look at the age breakdown, it's the older folks over 35 generally who support it, although there's a weird blip in the 45-54 age group. But it's the folks who know the history because they lived through some of it. The older folks know all the years of terrorism since 1979. Now, it says "airstrikes" so opinions might change if ground attacks are involved. But it is also likely to change more to the positive if the Trump administration settles the Strait question, which would then cool the markets.
Middle east states want us to continue thru to a 'decisive' victory. West coast communists are furious that oil is pumping locally again, at a high clip (Trump use of defense production act authority to make it happen is a political result from the conflict).
I'd say things are going pretty well, politically with the war. It might even lead to us getting out of nato, but will have to see if that materializes afterward.
i don't really disagree with you, but i see the straits topic being one of the most crucial outcomes now. if we leave without this being fully free and open this is going to snowball much worse than it is now.
Old McDonald said:ShaggySLC said:5Amp said:
Western hemisphere crude and LP exports are going to be record numbers next month. It's like Trump planned on replacing those extra outgoing exported light crudes with Venezuela/WTI blends for home use.
The company I consult with will be exporting 4x more than normal.
Canada also making jingle jangle. No rush to open the strait.
Dang, American companies benefiting, what the hell is he thinking.
the companies make more money, but their customers spend more on a scarcer commodity, making it a net negative for the economy. same way food shortages are bad even though the grocery store might make more money.
Na, economies never adapt. Well, if your a socialist or libtard thats true. Same if your eco is run by monopolies or oligopolies which libertarians seem to love.
But In a robust capitalistic, entrepreneurial minded eco able to adapt you often come out ahead. I mean look what fracking did for the US dispite libtards screaming every inch of the way.
Further evidence that liberals are a huge drag.
UK diplomats say their traditional channels in Washington have narrowed under second Trump presidency, with access increasingly dependent on a small group of advisers
— Lucy Fisher (@LOS_Fisher) March 31, 2026
w/ @charles_cloverhttps://t.co/XVMOc3vhQW
@FT is a garbage tabloid, but I do agree with the response that our '5 eyes' cooperation and intelligence sharing needs to stop immediately. Trump is surely aware that MI5 played a big role in russiagate/impeachment shenanigans (including his perfect call with Zelensky).
sts7049 said:
i don't really disagree with you, but i see the straits topic being one of the most crucial outcomes now. if we leave without this being fully free and open this is going to snowball much worse than it is now.
You mean free-ride Europe may have to get off their worthless butts and do their part to get THEIR supply chains moving.
And of course China will settle for Iran keeping the straight closed, right ?
Maybe Trumps just pissed and sick of the fact that the world, and Europe in particular wants to subsidizes their do nothing socialist governments with US military spending and might. I mean has any of them even got to 2% of GDP for defense spending much less contributed to keeping the SoH open.
Maybe it needs to snowball. This BS Europe has been running is whats unsustainable.
Speaking of Europe:
I laughed.
🚨 BREAKING: President Trump just dropped a BRUTAL reality check on our "allies," telling them FIGHT FOR YOURSELF, America is done holding your hand
— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) March 31, 2026
"All of those countries that can’t get jet fuel because of the Strait of Hormuz, like the United Kingdom, which refused to get… pic.twitter.com/n2i5BtDCbR
I laughed.
ShaggySLC said:FWTXAg said:ShaggySLC said:5Amp said:
Western hemisphere crude and LP exports are going to be record numbers next month. It's like Trump planned on replacing those extra outgoing exported light crudes with Venezuela/WTI blends for home use.
The company I consult with will be exporting 4x more than normal.
Canada also making jingle jangle. No rush to open the strait.
Dang, American companies benefiting, what the hell is he thinking.
Hell yeah. Donors benefitting on behalf of the American taxpayer to the tune of idk how many billion a day. Sounds like every other not a war in history. Groooovyyyyy
This war seems different than other wars since I graduated in 01. If boots go on the ground and it looks like my 14 year old will experience the last 25 years I experienced, I'll be the first to call him out. Don't see that yet, maybe its coming like you say, but I doubt it. The Trump is going to destroy us crowd has lost their luster. I can still see where all this will benefit my 14 year old, and still see the people like you that are fine with his life and work going to illegals also.
People like me who are fine with life and work going to illegals lol
There are no benefits to this war or any war for the middle class, there never will be.
I'm not a team red or team blue loser, you must not be paying attention.
leftists trying to protect their own society's is like a baby trying to fight off a pack of wolves.
if the leftists want to whine about the price of oil in the rest of the world- good luck!
if the leftists want to whine about the price of oil in the rest of the world- good luck!
ttu_85 said:sts7049 said:
i don't really disagree with you, but i see the straits topic being one of the most crucial outcomes now. if we leave without this being fully free and open this is going to snowball much worse than it is now.
You mean free-ride Europe may have to get off their worthless butts and do their part to get THEIR supply chains moving.
And of course China will settle for Iran keeping the straight closed, right ?
Maybe Trumps just pissed and sick of the fact that the world, and Europe in particular wants to subsidizes their do nothing socialist governments with US military spending and might. I mean has any of them even got to 2% of GDP for defense spending much less contributed to keeping the SoH open.
Maybe it needs to snowball. This BS Europe has been running is whats unsustainable.
they should help. but they aren't going to be the only ones impacted. the US will too.
LMCane said:
leftists trying to protect their own society's is like a baby trying to fight off a pack of wolves.
if the leftists want to whine about the price of oil in the rest of the world- good luck!
I'm sorry but this is toddler level thinking. Oil prices will be just as high here (less freight, quality, and time differentials) as the rest of the world. We do not have enough crude or refined products in excess to replace lost barrels from the Strait. We didn't include Europe in on any operations or consult with them on anything. Then we told them we already won we don't need there help. Now we're saying we **** the bed and Europe needs to clean it up because we make more oil? Is this we winning? Our reputation and reliability as a global ally and partner is in complete collapse, and this is going to result in a good outcome for America? Worse yet, our economy is very much linked with our allies in Europe and Asia, will we not experience economic consequences for that? Furthermore, for the Iran hawks, is the regime not more powerful than they were on February 27th? They now own and operate the most important artery in the world. Countries like Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, and Qatar are now in a position of extreme economic threat to Iran. In exchange we killed some radical guys with beards who are replaced by more radical guys with beards.;
In no world is this a win.
sts7049 said:ttu_85 said:sts7049 said:
i don't really disagree with you, but i see the straits topic being one of the most crucial outcomes now. if we leave without this being fully free and open this is going to snowball much worse than it is now.
You mean free-ride Europe may have to get off their worthless butts and do their part to get THEIR supply chains moving.
And of course China will settle for Iran keeping the straight closed, right ?
Maybe Trumps just pissed and sick of the fact that the world, and Europe in particular wants to subsidizes their do nothing socialist governments with US military spending and might. I mean has any of them even got to 2% of GDP for defense spending much less contributed to keeping the SoH open.
Maybe it needs to snowball. This BS Europe has been running is whats unsustainable.
they should help. but they aren't going to be the only ones impacted. the US will too.
We didn't even include them in our attacks. Think about it from their perspective for a second. They didn't get us in this mess. Also, what can they offer to solve the problem that we could not already do ourselves? Are we that weak or is our president out of ideas and desperately trying to shift the blame.
AGHouston11 said:bobbranco said:AGHouston11 said:
Obviously the objectives and messaging on this war has been terrible since the beginning.
Yes. Distorted by the isolationists and anti-Trump (war) folks. Daily fictional harangues by the Fuentes followers and leftists. Odd bedfellows.
No you don't need any of their words.
Just the campaign and the administration's own words. In fact it's because of that it lends credibility to the fringes because many predicted during the campaign the very things happening now. I recall thinking how stupid their comments were at the time.
I hope the president navigates his way out of this. But if he doesn't the things he said about Bush, Obama, and Biden will unfortunately be his legacy.
Navigate out of what? I take it you are not watching Hegseth this morning.
Perhaps actual intel will help guide you
I love it. Europe should be responsible for its own defense. Tired of paying their way.
sts7049 said:
i don't really disagree with you, but i see the straits topic being one of the most crucial outcomes now. if we leave without this being fully free and open this is going to snowball much worse than it is now.
You hoping this snowballs is different than there being any scintilla of evidence of that happen. Zero. Nada.
Ships are already transiting and have been. Trump is tacking his tactic here to make a point to the UK and other supposed allies.
The US does NOT need the straight open, Europe, China and Russia do. As such, if things are getting tight for them, they can chip in.
Have some faith. Particularly because Trump and his entire cabinet are putting their faith in God and pray for our mission success.
Why not cheer? Is much easier than jeer.
FWTXAg said:Sh****SLC said:FWTXAg said:Sh****SLC said:5Amp said:
Western hemisphere crude and LP exports are going to be record numbers next month. It's like Trump planned on replacing those extra outgoing exported light crudes with Venezuela/WTI blends for home use.
The company I consult with will be exporting 4x more than normal.
Canada also making jingle jangle. No rush to open the strait.
Dang, American companies benefiting, what the hell is he thinking.
Hell yeah. Donors benefitting on behalf of the American taxpayer to the tune of idk how many billion a day. Sounds like every other not a war in history. Groooovyyyyy
This war seems different than other wars since I graduated in 01. If boots go on the ground and it looks like my 14 year old will experience the last 25 years I experienced, I'll be the first to call him out. Don't see that yet, maybe its coming like you say, but I doubt it. The Trump is going to destroy us crowd has lost their luster. I can still see where all this will benefit my 14 year old, and still see the people like you that are fine with his life and work going to illegals also.
People like me who are fine with life and work going to illegals lol
There are no benefits to this war or any war for the middle class, there never will be.
I'm not a team red or team blue loser, you must not be paying attention.
I don't think anyone understands what "team" you are on. It's not red, it's not blue, it's not red, white and blue.
Anarchist? Committed isolationist aka Ostrich head in sand? No idea. Just pot shots lacking substance about how Mossad or some unknown force emanating from Davos?
flown-the-coop said:sts7049 said:
i don't really disagree with you, but i see the straits topic being one of the most crucial outcomes now. if we leave without this being fully free and open this is going to snowball much worse than it is now.
You hoping this snowballs is different than there being any scintilla of evidence of that happen. Zero. Nada.
Ships are already transiting and have been. Trump is tacking his tactic here to make a point to the UK and other supposed allies.
The US does NOT need the straight open, Europe, China and Russia do. As such, if things are getting tight for them, they can chip in.
Have some faith. Particularly because Trump and his entire cabinet are putting their faith in God and pray for our mission success.
Why not cheer? Is much easier than jeer.
you sure like to keep putting words in my mouth. what is your problem exactly?
the data clearly shows stuff is not moving well.
i understand the tactic trump is using to put pressure on other countries. i have no issue with that. but to believe that the US is not going to be affected by disruptions is toddler level thinking.
Gordo14 said:sts7049 said:ttu_85 said:sts7049 said:
i don't really disagree with you, but i see the straits topic being one of the most crucial outcomes now. if we leave without this being fully free and open this is going to snowball much worse than it is now.
You mean free-ride Europe may have to get off their worthless butts and do their part to get THEIR supply chains moving.
And of course China will settle for Iran keeping the straight closed, right ?
Maybe Trumps just pissed and sick of the fact that the world, and Europe in particular wants to subsidizes their do nothing socialist governments with US military spending and might. I mean has any of them even got to 2% of GDP for defense spending much less contributed to keeping the SoH open.
Maybe it needs to snowball. This BS Europe has been running is whats unsustainable.
they should help. but they aren't going to be the only ones impacted. the US will too.
We didn't even include them in our attacks. Think about it from their perspective for a second. They didn't get us in this mess. Also, what can they offer to solve the problem that we could not already do ourselves? Are we that weak or is our president out of ideas and desperately trying to shift the blame.
Imagine putting Keir Starmers feelz over the safety of our Country and its citizens.
here is some more data for you if it's hard to comprehend
This is awesome!
We are leaving nato. This will be the reason/excuse
sts7049 said:flown-the-coop said:sts7049 said:
i don't really disagree with you, but i see the straits topic being one of the most crucial outcomes now. if we leave without this being fully free and open this is going to snowball much worse than it is now.
You hoping this snowballs is different than there being any scintilla of evidence of that happen. Zero. Nada.
Ships are already transiting and have been. Trump is tacking his tactic here to make a point to the UK and other supposed allies.
The US does NOT need the straight open, Europe, China and Russia do. As such, if things are getting tight for them, they can chip in.
Have some faith. Particularly because Trump and his entire cabinet are putting their faith in God and pray for our mission success.
Why not cheer? Is much easier than jeer.
you sure like to keep putting words in my mouth. what is your problem exactly?
the data clearly shows stuff is not moving well.
i understand the tactic trump is using to put pressure on other countries. i have no issue with that. but to believe that the US is not going to be affected by disruptions is toddler level thinking.
Affected is a matter of length and severity that you ignore.
Publicly reported data is not how we make political and military decisions.
I am perfectly comfortable in my assessments.
No one put words in your mouth when I quote you post and you quote mine. It's sort of all out there. People can read for themselves and conclude who has toddler thinking as you like to put it.
BTW- Footnotes Lives Matter…
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