This is very sad.
Political fallout and arguments regarding the US-Israeli action against Iran 022824
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The GOP will get slaughtered in November if gasoline is $5 come summer and families have to cancel vacation plans. It's already $5 where I am and it's having an effect among people I talk to.
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Dan Scott said:
Being reported by Washington Posts that Pentagon is preparing for weeks long ground operation but calling it short of an invasion. And Trump promotes the Mark Levin show tonight where he makes the case for sending troops into Iran for special operations.Following President Trump's promotion of his show on Truth Social tonight, Mark Levin is urging him to deploy U.S. troops to Iran. pic.twitter.com/1IKfPQ6fMD
— RedWave Press (@RedWavePress) March 29, 2026
“He said, ‘No troops on the ground.’ I don’t remember that in any campaign speech either. Why would we need to troops on the…The Pentagon is preparing for weeks of ground operations in Iran, the Washington Post reports, citing U.S. officials. pic.twitter.com/nvdawvEC7M
— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) March 29, 2026
Will vote D for the first time in my life if boots hit the ground in Iran.
They are trying to link Osama Bin Ladin to Iran. WTF
Mark Thiessen, in Mark Levin interview Trump urged all his followers to watch, makes the case for troops on the ground in Iran: "We have to get what Donald Trump correctly calls 'the nuclear dust.'"
— Chris Menahan 🇺🇸 (@infolibnews) March 29, 2026
Thiessen also tries to connect Iran to Al-Qaeda and 9/11. https://t.co/7u7fii1C80 pic.twitter.com/R4nJ6JHCZH
I'll never vote for a D. I just won't vote. It doesn't really seem like it matters at all anymore. The republic is dead. We entered the empire stage, but we aren't very good at it.
A single issue that supersedes all others is a bold strategy.
Iran has been in proxy wars since becoming an Islamic regime of terrorism and oppression. They actively fund and facilitate terrorists and terrorist attacks.
But switch sides if you no longer care about anything conservative.
I do not like boots on the ground but I also didn't like having to punch a bully in the face or smack my unruly brother around. Sometimes, things have to be done for the better good and in this case, survival of the world as we know it. It didn't turn me into a Democrat because some unfortunate actions were needed and in this instance because of Democrats supporting and funding terroristic Muslim regimes
Iran has been in proxy wars since becoming an Islamic regime of terrorism and oppression. They actively fund and facilitate terrorists and terrorist attacks.
But switch sides if you no longer care about anything conservative.
I do not like boots on the ground but I also didn't like having to punch a bully in the face or smack my unruly brother around. Sometimes, things have to be done for the better good and in this case, survival of the world as we know it. It didn't turn me into a Democrat because some unfortunate actions were needed and in this instance because of Democrats supporting and funding terroristic Muslim regimes
I'm embarrassed by all the handwringing I see. For crying out loud, we're in a military conflict with a dangerous foe that has been actively targeting Americans for decades and trying to get a nuclear bomb. Their crazy response to this military engagement -- attacking many other countries who aren't involved -- and their economic centers at that -- just shows how deranged they are.
We don't have to invade Iran. We just have to militarily destroy their ability to harm us and others. They are fighting back, with limited success. No surprise, it's a war. Just need to sack up, carry on, and get the job done.
Yeah, this won't be good for R's in the midterms if gas price is high and inflation takes off, but some things are more important than winning an election. This is one of them.
We don't have to invade Iran. We just have to militarily destroy their ability to harm us and others. They are fighting back, with limited success. No surprise, it's a war. Just need to sack up, carry on, and get the job done.
Yeah, this won't be good for R's in the midterms if gas price is high and inflation takes off, but some things are more important than winning an election. This is one of them.
Dan Scott said:
They are trying to link Osama Bin Ladin to Iran. WTFMark Thiessen, in Mark Levin interview Trump urged all his followers to watch, makes the case for troops on the ground in Iran: "We have to get what Donald Trump correctly calls 'the nuclear dust.'"
— Chris Menahan 🇺🇸 (@infolibnews) March 29, 2026
Thiessen also tries to connect Iran to Al-Qaeda and 9/11. https://t.co/7u7fii1C80 pic.twitter.com/R4nJ6JHCZH
Bunch of lying sacks of *****
Can't believe people are falling for this crap again.
MemphisAg1 said:
I'm embarrassed by all the handwringing I see. For crying out loud, we're in a military conflict with a dangerous foe that has been actively targeting Americans for decades and trying to get a nuclear bomb. Their crazy response to this military engagement -- attacking many other countries who aren't involved -- and their economic centers at that -- just shows how deranged they are.
We don't have to invade Iran. We just have to militarily destroy their ability to harm us and others. They are fighting back, with limited success. No surprise, it's a war. Just need to sack up, carry on, and get the job done.
Yeah, this won't be good for R's in the midterms if gas price is high and inflation takes off, but some things are more important than winning an election. This is one of them.
As long as they control the Strait of Hormuz, they arguably have won the war (as a regime, not individuals). We will not be able to open the Strait with air power alone. It's likely too dangerous to send our Navy in the Strait of Hormuz without controlling at least the islands on the north side of the strait. Invading the islands will be bloody and a disaster because it's well within FPV drone range. As it stands now, I think the progression is likely inevitable and a bigger disaster. I think it's all a pretty predictable result of a poorly planned strategy.
It's widely been known that Iran's plan for regime security was to close the strait of Hormuz. But even they were not 100% sure if they had the capability to do so. Not only have we proven that they can shut it down and hold the whole world hostage, we've proven we don't have a good option to reopen it. Do I think we could if we committed everything we had to it - absolutely. But the cost will be immense. And even if we strike some kind of deal that Iran isn't incentivized to make to reopen the strait, the whole world now knows the situation is way more fragile and the genie can't be put back in the bottle. Iran has all the leverage and the only way to unwind that leverage is US boots on the ground - which may or may not work (well?) in the era of drone warfare. If we escalate further more and more key infrastructure across the Middle East will be smashed to pieces.
Again, I want to emphasize, this was all very predictable and the most likely outcome of directly threatening Iran's regime. So it's hard to be optimistic. Winning at this point is American blood to return to February 27th.
bigtruckguy3500 said:Dan Scott said:
They are trying to link Osama Bin Ladin to Iran. WTFMark Thiessen, in Mark Levin interview Trump urged all his followers to watch, makes the case for troops on the ground in Iran: "We have to get what Donald Trump correctly calls 'the nuclear dust.'"
— Chris Menahan 🇺🇸 (@infolibnews) March 29, 2026
Thiessen also tries to connect Iran to Al-Qaeda and 9/11. https://t.co/7u7fii1C80 pic.twitter.com/R4nJ6JHCZH
Bunch of lying sacks of *****
Can't believe people are falling for this crap again.
It's what happens when you let people think any of these politicians on either side actually represent the middle class and their interests. They're all con-men governing this Country on behalf of billionaires, foreign and domestic.
Gordo14 said:MemphisAg1 said:
I'm embarrassed by all the handwringing I see. For crying out loud, we're in a military conflict with a dangerous foe that has been actively targeting Americans for decades and trying to get a nuclear bomb. Their crazy response to this military engagement -- attacking many other countries who aren't involved -- and their economic centers at that -- just shows how deranged they are.
We don't have to invade Iran. We just have to militarily destroy their ability to harm us and others. They are fighting back, with limited success. No surprise, it's a war. Just need to sack up, carry on, and get the job done.
Yeah, this won't be good for R's in the midterms if gas price is high and inflation takes off, but some things are more important than winning an election. This is one of them.
As long as they control the Strait of Hormuz, they arguably have won the war
As it stands now, I think the progression is likely inevitable and a bigger disaster.
Iran has all the leverage and the only way to unwind that leverage is US boots on the ground - which may or may not work (well?) in the era of drone warfare.
If we escalate further more and more key infrastructure across the Middle East will be smashed to pieces.
So it's hard to be optimistic.
Winning at this point is American blood to return to February 27th.
Like I said, I'm embarrassed with the handwringing.
Save the world, so Democrats can finish the country off starting in January. I agree with your point but hate the consequences.
Worth a listen. The guy war gamed Iran for years and taught air force pilots. He's promoting his substack, but he makes good points.
MemphisAg1 said:Gordo14 said:MemphisAg1 said:
I'm embarrassed by all the handwringing I see. For crying out loud, we're in a military conflict with a dangerous foe that has been actively targeting Americans for decades and trying to get a nuclear bomb. Their crazy response to this military engagement -- attacking many other countries who aren't involved -- and their economic centers at that -- just shows how deranged they are.
We don't have to invade Iran. We just have to militarily destroy their ability to harm us and others. They are fighting back, with limited success. No surprise, it's a war. Just need to sack up, carry on, and get the job done.
Yeah, this won't be good for R's in the midterms if gas price is high and inflation takes off, but some things are more important than winning an election. This is one of them.
As long as they control the Strait of Hormuz, they arguably have won the war
As it stands now, I think the progression is likely inevitable and a bigger disaster.
Iran has all the leverage and the only way to unwind that leverage is US boots on the ground - which may or may not work (well?) in the era of drone warfare.
If we escalate further more and more key infrastructure across the Middle East will be smashed to pieces.
So it's hard to be optimistic.
Winning at this point is American blood to return to February 27th.
Like I said, I'm embarrassed with the handwringing.
You're welcome to address my comment with discussion of how I'm wrong, or we can just stick with magical thinking. How will we re-open the strait of Trump?
Trump: "They have to open up the Strait of Trump-- I mean, Hormuz. Excuse me. Such a terrible mistake. The fake news will say, 'He accidentally said--' No. There's no accidents from me." pic.twitter.com/3dTavHHuGM
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) March 27, 2026
Gordo14 said:MemphisAg1 said:Gordo14 said:MemphisAg1 said:
I'm embarrassed by all the handwringing I see. For crying out loud, we're in a military conflict with a dangerous foe that has been actively targeting Americans for decades and trying to get a nuclear bomb. Their crazy response to this military engagement -- attacking many other countries who aren't involved -- and their economic centers at that -- just shows how deranged they are.
We don't have to invade Iran. We just have to militarily destroy their ability to harm us and others. They are fighting back, with limited success. No surprise, it's a war. Just need to sack up, carry on, and get the job done.
Yeah, this won't be good for R's in the midterms if gas price is high and inflation takes off, but some things are more important than winning an election. This is one of them.
As long as they control the Strait of Hormuz, they arguably have won the war
As it stands now, I think the progression is likely inevitable and a bigger disaster.
Iran has all the leverage and the only way to unwind that leverage is US boots on the ground - which may or may not work (well?) in the era of drone warfare.
If we escalate further more and more key infrastructure across the Middle East will be smashed to pieces.
So it's hard to be optimistic.
Winning at this point is American blood to return to February 27th.
Like I said, I'm embarrassed with the handwringing.
You're welcome to address my comment with discussion of how I'm wrong, or we can just stick with magical thinking. How will we re-open the strait of Trump?
Sit back, take a chill pill, and watch.
Also, the rest of the world needs the Strait opened much more than we do because we are oil independent, thanks to years of Republican leadership and no thanks to the Democrats. They will help out because they need it worse than we do. It will come together despite your desire to wish it into a disaster for the ages.
BQ78 said:
Save the world, so Democrats can finish the country off starting in January. I agree with your point but hate the consequences.
Whatever we are calling this useless action in Iran that is definitely not a war, is not anywhere close to saving the world lmao
Gordo14 said:MemphisAg1 said:
I'm embarrassed by all the handwringing I see. For crying out loud, we're in a military conflict with a dangerous foe that has been actively targeting Americans for decades and trying to get a nuclear bomb. Their crazy response to this military engagement -- attacking many other countries who aren't involved -- and their economic centers at that -- just shows how deranged they are.
We don't have to invade Iran. We just have to militarily destroy their ability to harm us and others. They are fighting back, with limited success. No surprise, it's a war. Just need to sack up, carry on, and get the job done.
Yeah, this won't be good for R's in the midterms if gas price is high and inflation takes off, but some things are more important than winning an election. This is one of them.
As long as they control the Strait of Hormuz, they arguably have won the war (as a regime, not individuals). We will not be able to open the Strait with air power alone. It's likely too dangerous to send our Navy in the Strait of Hormuz without controlling at least the islands on the north side of the strait. Invading the islands will be bloody and a disaster because it's well within FPV drone range. As it stands now, I think the progression is likely inevitable and a bigger disaster. I think it's all a pretty predictable result of a poorly planned strategy.
It's widely been known that Iran's plan for regime security was to close the strait of Hormuz. But even they were not 100% sure if they had the capability to do so. Not only have we proven that they can shut it down and hold the whole world hostage, we've proven we don't have a good option to reopen it. Do I think we could if we committed everything we had to it - absolutely. But the cost will be immense. And even if we strike some kind of deal that Iran isn't incentivized to make to reopen the strait, the whole world now knows the situation is way more fragile and the genie can't be put back in the bottle. Iran has all the leverage and the only way to unwind that leverage is US boots on the ground - which may or may not work (well?) in the era of drone warfare. If we escalate further more and more key infrastructure across the Middle East will be smashed to pieces.
Again, I want to emphasize, this was all very predictable and the most likely outcome of directly threatening Iran's regime. So it's hard to be optimistic. Winning at this point is American blood to return to February 27th.
So your answer is to let them keep controlling the most important energy route in the world because we may get bloodied.
What was that about cotton and strategy?
They are afraid of Iran and think Iran holds superiority over the United States because it's how they justify the brilliance of Obama and Biden capitulating to Iran.
Do admit Trump is right and having success forces them to abandon Black Islamajesus. And that is simply not part of their holy sacrament.
Thankfully we have brace leaders ad brave soldiers and brave allies that giggle at the limpwristed f16 Iran detractors who claim some concept of Americanism and conservatism.
MemphisAg1 is write, the weakness is embarrassing. Too many of that generation sipping soy lattes, clutching pearls and bragging about participation ribbons.
Do admit Trump is right and having success forces them to abandon Black Islamajesus. And that is simply not part of their holy sacrament.
Thankfully we have brace leaders ad brave soldiers and brave allies that giggle at the limpwristed f16 Iran detractors who claim some concept of Americanism and conservatism.
MemphisAg1 is write, the weakness is embarrassing. Too many of that generation sipping soy lattes, clutching pearls and bragging about participation ribbons.
MemphisAg1 said:Gordo14 said:MemphisAg1 said:Gordo14 said:MemphisAg1 said:
I'm embarrassed by all the handwringing I see. For crying out loud, we're in a military conflict with a dangerous foe that has been actively targeting Americans for decades and trying to get a nuclear bomb. Their crazy response to this military engagement -- attacking many other countries who aren't involved -- and their economic centers at that -- just shows how deranged they are.
We don't have to invade Iran. We just have to militarily destroy their ability to harm us and others. They are fighting back, with limited success. No surprise, it's a war. Just need to sack up, carry on, and get the job done.
Yeah, this won't be good for R's in the midterms if gas price is high and inflation takes off, but some things are more important than winning an election. This is one of them.
As long as they control the Strait of Hormuz, they arguably have won the war
As it stands now, I think the progression is likely inevitable and a bigger disaster.
Iran has all the leverage and the only way to unwind that leverage is US boots on the ground - which may or may not work (well?) in the era of drone warfare.
If we escalate further more and more key infrastructure across the Middle East will be smashed to pieces.
So it's hard to be optimistic.
Winning at this point is American blood to return to February 27th.
Like I said, I'm embarrassed with the handwringing.
You're welcome to address my comment with discussion of how I'm wrong, or we can just stick with magical thinking. How will we re-open the strait of Trump?
Sit back, take a chill pill, and watch.
Also, the rest of the world needs the Strait opened much more than we do because we are oil independent, thanks to years of Republican leadership and no thanks to the Democrats. They will help out because they need it worse than we do. It will come together despite your desire to wish it into a disaster for the ages.
I've worked in oil and gas my entire career. Politicians have had less than nothing to do with American oil and gas. Republicans have definitely offered lip service to energy independence, but politicians have had very little to do with it in reality. The oil industry's growth in America has almost entirely been driven by the market. Oil production increased at its highest rate under Obama. The oil export ban - eliminated under Obama. Oil production since Trump 2, almost entirely flat. The oil industry definitely did better under Biden because Russia invaded Ukraine. Turns out political speak doesn't pay the bills. But that's besides the point. It's a global commodity. It's not like we get to close the gates and watch the world burn (in particular the entire Middle East) and pretend that we are unaffected by the consequences. That's incredibly naive.
Why would Iran be incentivized to reopen the strait they are now charging $2MM per vessel to when select countries pay to sail through? Is this an acceptable conclusion, Iran charging a 2MM fee per ship that sailed through? Who has actually has leverage over Iran? Maybe China? Is China better off watching us continue down this path or push Iran to cave? China has some of the largest strategic petroleum reserves in the world and the largest EV manufacturing country in the world. I suspect they'd rather see high oil prices than to save us from the disaster we created.
I don't wish this was a disaster. I'm disgusted that we made it a disaster.
Stressboy said:Gordo14 said:MemphisAg1 said:
I'm embarrassed by all the handwringing I see. For crying out loud, we're in a military conflict with a dangerous foe that has been actively targeting Americans for decades and trying to get a nuclear bomb. Their crazy response to this military engagement -- attacking many other countries who aren't involved -- and their economic centers at that -- just shows how deranged they are.
We don't have to invade Iran. We just have to militarily destroy their ability to harm us and others. They are fighting back, with limited success. No surprise, it's a war. Just need to sack up, carry on, and get the job done.
Yeah, this won't be good for R's in the midterms if gas price is high and inflation takes off, but some things are more important than winning an election. This is one of them.
As long as they control the Strait of Hormuz, they arguably have won the war (as a regime, not individuals). We will not be able to open the Strait with air power alone. It's likely too dangerous to send our Navy in the Strait of Hormuz without controlling at least the islands on the north side of the strait. Invading the islands will be bloody and a disaster because it's well within FPV drone range. As it stands now, I think the progression is likely inevitable and a bigger disaster. I think it's all a pretty predictable result of a poorly planned strategy.
It's widely been known that Iran's plan for regime security was to close the strait of Hormuz. But even they were not 100% sure if they had the capability to do so. Not only have we proven that they can shut it down and hold the whole world hostage, we've proven we don't have a good option to reopen it. Do I think we could if we committed everything we had to it - absolutely. But the cost will be immense. And even if we strike some kind of deal that Iran isn't incentivized to make to reopen the strait, the whole world now knows the situation is way more fragile and the genie can't be put back in the bottle. Iran has all the leverage and the only way to unwind that leverage is US boots on the ground - which may or may not work (well?) in the era of drone warfare. If we escalate further more and more key infrastructure across the Middle East will be smashed to pieces.
Again, I want to emphasize, this was all very predictable and the most likely outcome of directly threatening Iran's regime. So it's hard to be optimistic. Winning at this point is American blood to return to February 27th.
So your answer is to let them keep controlling the most important energy route in the world because we may get bloodied.
What was that about cotton and strategy?
That's not my answer. My comment is that this was the logical outcome of our actions. That we have no good options. Maybe we should have considered this before our adventurism on February 28th. I suspect that our military correctly identified this as a risk of our action, but the action was taken nonetheless.
And now we have a series of awful options. And we still have a healthy amount of blind optimism. I'm just projecting the direction of things and wondering if we actually had a coherent strategy.
So no concerns about a nuclear armed Iran that is currently flinging missiles at countries not involved in the instant conflict?
Gordo14 said:MemphisAg1 said:Gordo14 said:MemphisAg1 said:Gordo14 said:MemphisAg1 said:
I'm embarrassed by all the handwringing I see. For crying out loud, we're in a military conflict with a dangerous foe that has been actively targeting Americans for decades and trying to get a nuclear bomb. Their crazy response to this military engagement -- attacking many other countries who aren't involved -- and their economic centers at that -- just shows how deranged they are.
We don't have to invade Iran. We just have to militarily destroy their ability to harm us and others. They are fighting back, with limited success. No surprise, it's a war. Just need to sack up, carry on, and get the job done.
Yeah, this won't be good for R's in the midterms if gas price is high and inflation takes off, but some things are more important than winning an election. This is one of them.
As long as they control the Strait of Hormuz, they arguably have won the war
As it stands now, I think the progression is likely inevitable and a bigger disaster.
Iran has all the leverage and the only way to unwind that leverage is US boots on the ground - which may or may not work (well?) in the era of drone warfare.
If we escalate further more and more key infrastructure across the Middle East will be smashed to pieces.
So it's hard to be optimistic.
Winning at this point is American blood to return to February 27th.
Like I said, I'm embarrassed with the handwringing.
You're welcome to address my comment with discussion of how I'm wrong, or we can just stick with magical thinking. How will we re-open the strait of Trump?
Sit back, take a chill pill, and watch.
Also, the rest of the world needs the Strait opened much more than we do because we are oil independent, thanks to years of Republican leadership and no thanks to the Democrats. They will help out because they need it worse than we do. It will come together despite your desire to wish it into a disaster for the ages.
Oil production increased at its highest rate under Obama.
He had nothing to do with it and was actively trying to kill the fossil fuel industry. Production increased in spite of Obama's attempts due to the technological breakthrough of fracking. Your attempt to say that oil production increased because of Obama is shameful.
Mark Thiessen says 9/11 was planned and terrorist we're trained by Iran because Al-Quaeda didn't know how to bring down buildings.
From the 9/11 report says there is no evidence Iran was aware of 9/11 but Al-Qaeda got to Afghanistan through Iran
https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf
From the 9/11 report says there is no evidence Iran was aware of 9/11 but Al-Qaeda got to Afghanistan through Iran
https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf
BQ78 said:
So no concerns about a nuclear armed Iran that is currently flinging missiles at countries not involved in the instant conflict?
Absolutely none.
We spend a trillion dollars a year on national defense. Even if China and Russia teamed up against us they would both be eliminated in 15 seconds. Our intelligence agencies have people on the inside of every Country in the world. Nobody can touch us.
These fake scare stories they put out are just trying to sell these useless military actions to the public so our billionaires can make more money and manipulate the economy.
FWTXAg said:BQ78 said:
Save the world, so Democrats can finish the country off starting in January. I agree with your point but hate the consequences.
Whatever we are calling this useless action in Iran that is definitely not a war, is not anywhere close to saving the world lmao
Destroying the manufacturing base of the world's number one provider of missiles and drones to terrorist organizations and evil regimes is anything but useless.
FWTXAg said:BQ78 said:
So no concerns about a nuclear armed Iran that is currently flinging missiles at countries not involved in the instant conflict?
Absolutely none.
We spend a trillion dollars a year on national defense. Even if China and Russia teamed up against us they would both be eliminated in 15 seconds. Our intelligence agencies have people on the inside of every Country in the world. Nobody can touch us.
These fake scare stories they put out are just trying to sell these useless military actions to the public so our billionaires can make more money and manipulate the economy.
Sounds similar to the evil Russia must save Ukraine bs. All about money and corruption
Gordo14 said:Stressboy said:Gordo14 said:MemphisAg1 said:
I'm embarrassed by all the handwringing I see. For crying out loud, we're in a military conflict with a dangerous foe that has been actively targeting Americans for decades and trying to get a nuclear bomb. Their crazy response to this military engagement -- attacking many other countries who aren't involved -- and their economic centers at that -- just shows how deranged they are.
We don't have to invade Iran. We just have to militarily destroy their ability to harm us and others. They are fighting back, with limited success. No surprise, it's a war. Just need to sack up, carry on, and get the job done.
Yeah, this won't be good for R's in the midterms if gas price is high and inflation takes off, but some things are more important than winning an election. This is one of them.
As long as they control the Strait of Hormuz, they arguably have won the war (as a regime, not individuals). We will not be able to open the Strait with air power alone. It's likely too dangerous to send our Navy in the Strait of Hormuz without controlling at least the islands on the north side of the strait. Invading the islands will be bloody and a disaster because it's well within FPV drone range. As it stands now, I think the progression is likely inevitable and a bigger disaster. I think it's all a pretty predictable result of a poorly planned strategy.
It's widely been known that Iran's plan for regime security was to close the strait of Hormuz. But even they were not 100% sure if they had the capability to do so. Not only have we proven that they can shut it down and hold the whole world hostage, we've proven we don't have a good option to reopen it. Do I think we could if we committed everything we had to it - absolutely. But the cost will be immense. And even if we strike some kind of deal that Iran isn't incentivized to make to reopen the strait, the whole world now knows the situation is way more fragile and the genie can't be put back in the bottle. Iran has all the leverage and the only way to unwind that leverage is US boots on the ground - which may or may not work (well?) in the era of drone warfare. If we escalate further more and more key infrastructure across the Middle East will be smashed to pieces.
Again, I want to emphasize, this was all very predictable and the most likely outcome of directly threatening Iran's regime. So it's hard to be optimistic. Winning at this point is American blood to return to February 27th.
So your answer is to let them keep controlling the most important energy route in the world because we may get bloodied.
What was that about cotton and strategy?
That's not my answer. My comment is that this was the logical outcome of our actions. That we have no good options. Maybe we should have considered this before our adventurism on February 28th. I suspect that our military correctly identified this as a risk of our action, but the action was taken nonetheless.
And now we have a series of awful options. And we still have a healthy amount of blind optimism. I'm just projecting the direction of things and wondering if we actually had a coherent strategy.
We don't have a list of awful options. We have a cost that might have to be paid to destroy a huge threat.
If we don't end the threat to the strait and end their manufacturing of drones and missiles then we will come to pay a much higher price. I am hoping those in charge understand the larger risks beyond the nukes and stake a stand. That's why I'm glad that the naysayers on this thread are not in charge.
Sending in regular uniformed units is going to be a political bloodbath. Sorry for those who don't want to live in reality, but it will be.
I said it earlier but the first American service member to die from an FPV is going to break our society. To see their face in close up as it hits their body and that video goes viral across the entire world will do more damage than actual ballistic missiles. And it will almost assuredly happen if we send in troops.
Call it handwringing and dismiss it all as we cruise to an easy victory? I don't agree with any of that. I've been on the ground directly trying to quell a populace with nothing but a rifle and hand gestures. There is nothing harder a military can do in this world. There is every single chance of it getting messy with only one real possibility of it going off without a hitch. And there is a lil turd we like to call Murphy out there…
This is all assuming a mainland engagement btw which does seem more and more likely to me.
I said it earlier but the first American service member to die from an FPV is going to break our society. To see their face in close up as it hits their body and that video goes viral across the entire world will do more damage than actual ballistic missiles. And it will almost assuredly happen if we send in troops.
Call it handwringing and dismiss it all as we cruise to an easy victory? I don't agree with any of that. I've been on the ground directly trying to quell a populace with nothing but a rifle and hand gestures. There is nothing harder a military can do in this world. There is every single chance of it getting messy with only one real possibility of it going off without a hitch. And there is a lil turd we like to call Murphy out there…
This is all assuming a mainland engagement btw which does seem more and more likely to me.
What's your proposition as to how we should proceed? I'm obviously naive because I thought we could go in there with our might and finish this quickly without the economic stress this has put on many people.
FWTXAg said:BQ78 said:
So no concerns about a nuclear armed Iran that is currently flinging missiles at countries not involved in the instant conflict?
Absolutely none.
We spend a trillion dollars a year on national defense. Even if China and Russia teamed up against us they would both be eliminated in 15 seconds. Our intelligence agencies have people on the inside of every Country in the world. Nobody can touch us.
These fake scare stories they put out are just trying to sell these useless military actions to the public so our billionaires can make more money and manipulate the economy.
Bingo. Let's not forget, Iran quite literally offered to dilute down all its uranium to 3%, and let in inspectors, before this happened. And, per the IAEA, they were complying with inspections till we pulled out of the JCPOA.
Unless we hold the strait in perpetuity, along with a ton of coastline, there's a reasonable chance we are creating an issue for years to come.
I believe you are 100% correct. We are not prepared for the horror of drone warfare.
Yukon Cornelius said:
I believe you are 100% correct. We are not prepared for the horror of drone warfare.
What gets me is that the country who is currently the world's foremost firsthand expert in drone warfare offered us help and we told them to pound sand because we know more than anyone else about drone warfare. And now we're immediately seeing indications that we may not be prepared for what we're about to get ourselves into, while our supposed allies in the region defy our leadership's prohibitions and sign defense agreements with that country.
I worry a bit that our ego may get the best of us and cause us to step on our dick in a big way that gets more of our servicemen killed than need be.
I agree.
Rossticus said:Yukon Cornelius said:
I believe you are 100% correct. We are not prepared for the horror of drone warfare.
What gets me is that the country who is currently the world's foremost firsthand expert in drone warfare offered us help and we told them to pound sand because we know more than anyone else about drone warfare. And now we're immediately seeing indications that we may not be prepared for what we're about to get ourselves into, while our supposed allies in the region defy our leadership's prohibitions and sign defense agreements with that country.
I worry a bit that our ego may get the best of us and cause us to step on our dick in a big way that gets more of our servicemen killed than need be.
It's been a fear of mine for a while tbh. I actually think it was virtually guaranteed all things considered though. I just don't think our administration is mature enough to handle things in a way that would prioritize mitigating our hardship in this conflict. To put it bluntly.
All we can do is hope the best possible outcome from all this. I personally suspect this whole thing will fall somewhere between "awful mess" and "I can't believe we are stuck here, again" but I sincerely hope with everything I have that I am horribly wrong.
If nothing else, perhaps we can use this as a slap to awaken us to our very real deficiencies for an upcoming hot war with China I still suspect is more likely than not in the future.
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