AustinAg2K said:

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TCTTS said:

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Because the writers/actors can and will outlast the studios, the studios know it, and the writers/actors don't have third quarter earnings reports coming up, with hell to pay for producing hardly any content going on 120+ days now.

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You act like the actors and writers don't have their own bills to pay. They've gone 120+ days without a paycheck. The studios should still have some money coming in from streaming. Netflix actually posted subscriber growth for their numbers released last month. Studios like Disney and Sony are essentially big conglomerates who can still get revenue in other areas. Part of me wonders if the reason the guilds keep saying the studios are about to give in is because they think their own lines are weakening and are trying to keep them together.

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Sold a Network show in October 2022 with an outside studio. Network/Studio still had not closed their deal as of the start of the strike May 2023. Meaning 209 days. So, strike-schmike, this is basically same old same old. https://t.co/KCOB48OpdC

— Jeffrey Lieber (@JeffLieber) September 2, 2023

aTmAg said:

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TCTTS said:

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Because the writers/actors can and will outlast the studios, the studios know it, and the writers/actors don't have third quarter earnings reports coming up, with hell to pay for producing hardly any content going on 120+ days now.

Also, thank you for being the umpteenth poster to let us know, on an entertainment message board, how little you or those you know care about the strikes. The insight you've provided in that regard is invaluable.

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The public opinion doesn't matter. Nobody is voting here.

What matters to studios is what stockholders think. And if the studios sign ridiculous contracts with the strikers, then stockholders are selling their stock.

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Brad 98 said:

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Question:

Do commercials still get produced? Can actors supplement their income by doing them? Just curious here

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yes; different contract

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AustinAg2K said:

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bluefire579 said:

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TCTTS said:

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I've worked with so many of these people, and yes, a number of them are incredibly smart and considered. However, a lot of them just straight up aren't, but have gotten by on either charisma or by having a dominating personality Kyle. But they're also often blowhards who need their voices to be heard and to feel like they matter, when all they really do is make sh*t worse.

The other issue is that unlike most industries, it's an obviously a massive intersecting of art and commerce. There are great business minds who are incapable of understanding the "magic" of storytelling, while there are great story tellers who couldn't navigate the business side if their lives depended on it. And sometimes it's really, really hard to get both of those sides to gel.

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Working in a tangential industry that's heavily dependent on creativity, I have seen the exact same thing play out in numerous instances. There are few things more deflating in a creative environment than having an executive who has no experience and no aptitude come in and do something like completely changing something in a way that makes things worse or adds work, or making a statement that undermines professionals because of a lack of understanding of what those people do.

And of course, you also run into the opposite plenty where someone who is creative is put in charge with no understanding of how to do things from a business or management perspective and it's equally disastrous.

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You don't have to work in a creative industry to see this happening. I work in about as far of an industry as you can get from Hollywood. We have a new CTO who comes entirely from an accounting background and really knows nothing about IT. She actually prides herself on not understanding IT, and makes jokes about how bad she is with computers (imagine if your CFO made jokes about how bad they are at math). Anyways, she sees no value in individual contribution. Her view is that there's no difference between a guy overseas you can pay $10 an hour vs a guy in the US making $100K. She has made comments like, "They are so cheap we can just hire 10 of them to get the same work as one person here." She clearly has no concept of the idea that you can't multiple ****ty work and get quality.

A lot of execs aren't necessarily idiots, but they are very short sighted. They only care about the next quarters profit. They aren't thinking about things 5 or 10 years from now. And really, there often incentive for them to. They sell their stock now and cash in. When their decisions really hit, they're often long gone.

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AustinAg2K said:

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As a consumer, I actually think AI is going to improve the end product. Not because I think AI can write a better script, but because it won't let the writers be lazy. Right now, AI can only regurgitate the same basic scripts as it has been trained on. It's not really coming up with anything original. A lot of lazy/bad writers do that, too. Those are the ones who will be in trouble. Writers will be force to come up with something original, or else they will be replaced by AI.

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tysker said:

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I hope the writers don't have to revert to unskilled jobs like bartending, waiting tables, and bus driving just to pay bills

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LMCane said:

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AustinAg2K said:

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bluefire579 said:

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TCTTS said:

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I've worked with so many of these people, and yes, a number of them are incredibly smart and considered. However, a lot of them just straight up aren't, but have gotten by on either charisma or by having a dominating personality Kyle. But they're also often blowhards who need their voices to be heard and to feel like they matter, when all they really do is make sh*t worse.

The other issue is that unlike most industries, it's an obviously a massive intersecting of art and commerce. There are great business minds who are incapable of understanding the "magic" of storytelling, while there are great story tellers who couldn't navigate the business side if their lives depended on it. And sometimes it's really, really hard to get both of those sides to gel.

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Working in a tangential industry that's heavily dependent on creativity, I have seen the exact same thing play out in numerous instances. There are few things more deflating in a creative environment than having an executive who has no experience and no aptitude come in and do something like completely changing something in a way that makes things worse or adds work, or making a statement that undermines professionals because of a lack of understanding of what those people do.

And of course, you also run into the opposite plenty where someone who is creative is put in charge with no understanding of how to do things from a business or management perspective and it's equally disastrous.

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You don't have to work in a creative industry to see this happening. I work in about as far of an industry as you can get from Hollywood. We have a new CTO who comes entirely from an accounting background and really knows nothing about IT. She actually prides herself on not understanding IT, and makes jokes about how bad she is with computers (imagine if your CFO made jokes about how bad they are at math). Anyways, she sees no value in individual contribution. Her view is that there's no difference between a guy overseas you can pay $10 an hour vs a guy in the US making $100K. She has made comments like, "They are so cheap we can just hire 10 of them to get the same work as one person here." She clearly has no concept of the idea that you can't multiple ****ty work and get quality.

A lot of execs aren't necessarily idiots, but they are very short sighted. They only care about the next quarters profit. They aren't thinking about things 5 or 10 years from now. And really, there often incentive for them to. They sell their stock now and cash in. When their decisions really hit, they're often long gone.

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really? a "LOT" of executives are short sighted and just trying to cash in?

what evidence is there for that?

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tysker said:

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I hope the writers don't have to revert to unskilled jobs like bartending, waiting tables, and bus driving just to pay bills

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Not trying to trivialize the impact of this on people's lives, but this made me laugh.

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