Boohoo im going to stand outside your business to berate it but you better make me comfortable while I do it.
Writers Guild strike 2023
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No one's whining about it. Even the person who posted that clearly finds it funny.
He may find it funny but absolutely is looking for sympathy too. I think it is brilliant by the studio no matter what side you lean towards on the strike. A+ troll game.
That looks to be a public road. I don't know, maybe things are different in California but I have a suspicion that was done by city crews on some kind of maintenance schedule.
Probably so, but the timing is still hilarious.
Fenrir said:
That looks to be a public road. I don't know, maybe things are different in California but I have a suspicion that was done by city crews on some kind of maintenance schedule.
Id really like to see before and after. That is a close cut.
Also this a not great time of year to trim trees.
This is…actually shocking.
— Jennifer Kretchmer (@dreamwisp) July 18, 2023
They rejected some of the most unquestionably reasonable asks…along with basically everything else.
This wasn’t a good-faith negotiation by any stretch of the imagination. Every bit of outrage is justified. https://t.co/2Isrz7jJmP
There’s a lot to hate in the negotiations summary just released by SAG-AFTRA, but just this small snapshot neatly summarizes the AMPTP’s utter contempt for creative professionals and, indeed, human beings. pic.twitter.com/R9l9jiZvI6
— Gary Whitta (@garywhitta) July 18, 2023
Describe negotiating with a Hollywood studio in one sentence pic.twitter.com/WPDNqb1Dsp
— John Bickerstaff 🏳️🌈 (@Bitterstaff) July 18, 2023
why is this one man constantly at the forefront of saving this entire goddamn industry https://t.co/FkUtSAZ0Kw
— wyatt dunkin (@WyattDuncan) July 17, 2023
One company benefits from the seemingly-insurmountable wedge that has been driven between the guilds and the AMPTP. Everyone's going to suffer but them.
— DrewMcWeeny (@DrewMcWeeny) July 18, 2023
Cool. Totally cool and chill and normal.
And yet the AMPTP is more than welcome to release their own version. It's telling that they haven't yet.
C@LAg said:not really.TCTTS said:
And yet the AMPTP is more than welcome to release their own version. It's telling that they haven't yet.
it is obvious they are willing to sit on the sidelines for a few more months.
all responses to date have been broad sweeping comments
they would gain nothing by replying to this at this time.
They had five days to beat SAG to the punch and attempt to set the narrative with their own version. They chose not to.
Isn't that the point he was making in the first place?
LMCane said:
I watched some of Fran Drescher railing against big business and on the side of the "little guy"
somehow I missed seeing Fran Drescher protesting when Biden threw thousands of oil and gas workers out of their jobs back in 2021...
I could of course end up being completely wrong, but I'm becoming less and less convinced the studios are going to be able to hold out for months, if only because their fall movie slates are in far more jeopardy than they ever considered, and directors are pressuring them left and right to delay movies that depend heavily on actor promotion. Take the Zendaya-starring Challengers, for instance, that's scheduled for mid-September. Zendaya was paid $10M for that movie and there's just no way Amazon releases it without her massive social media sway and promotion. That's partly *why* they paid her what they did. I also know for a fact that Warner Bros is silently freaking out about Dune: Part Two in that regard. The last thing they want to do is release it without their insanely popular young cast being able to help market it. Apply that to a ton of other movies this fall, and the studios are in for a world of hurt. Considering a week ago they were relatively convinced the actors weren't going to strike at all, and I truly do think that behind the scenes the studios were caught off guard and are now scrambling. Never mind how this is about to affect summer 2024. Another month of this and most summer 2024 movies are going to be forced to delay as well.
Granted, there's no way any of this gets resolved before Labor Day, but, knock on wood, the idea of this thing lasting until November or so is seemingly less and less likely, unless the studios really are hell bent on blowing the whole thing up…
Granted, there's no way any of this gets resolved before Labor Day, but, knock on wood, the idea of this thing lasting until November or so is seemingly less and less likely, unless the studios really are hell bent on blowing the whole thing up…
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what is the most amazing thing about this entire event is that I remember when Fran Drescher was famous and popular....Aston04 said:
The timing of the strike is horrible. All entertainment/streaming companies are tightening their belts.. it's also becoming increasing hard to have financial success on movies released to theatres. Investors are now demanding profits on streaming, not just more eyeballs.
Good luck.
which was literally 25 years ago!
TCTTS said:
I could of course end up being completely wrong, but I'm becoming less and less convinced the studios are going to be able to hold out for months, if only because their fall movie slates are in far more jeopardy than they ever considered, and directors are pressuring them left and right to delay movies that depend heavily on actor promotion. Take the Zendaya-starring Challengers, for instance, that's scheduled for mid-September. Zendaya was paid $10M for that movie and there's just no way Amazon releases it without her massive social media sway and promotion. That's partly *why* they paid her what they did. I also know for a fact that Warner Bros is silently freaking out about Dune: Part Two in that regard. The last thing they want to do is release it without their insane young cast being able to help market it. Apply that to a ton of other movies this fall, and the studios are in for a world of hurt. Considering a week ago they were relatively convinced the actors weren't going to strike at all, and I truly do think that behind the scenes the studios were caught off guard and are now scrambling. Never mind how this is about to affect summer 2024. Another month of this and most summer 2024 movies are going to be forced to delay as well.
Granted, there's no way any of this gets resolved before Labor Day, but, knock on wood, the idea of this thing lasting until November or so is seemingly less and less likely, unless the studios really are hell bent on blowing the whole thing up…
with all of Hollwyood claiming poverty-
in reality how do all these "SAG Actors" pay their rent in Los Angeles?
By selling adrenochrome
Assuming that these people haven't been getting paid during this time, I would think their bank accounts would be getting pretty thin.
C@LAg said:
lot of unbalanced/biased information in that.
on the SAG side we get detailed, concise line items... but on the AMPTP side.. we get no equivalent conciseness or details, and do not have the ACTUAL responses to compare to the conveniently-SAG-summarized responses.
just saying. a lot of things are said or not said by how things are worded or presented.
Yeah, I imagine this is how the studios want it. No way they're going to go into detail. Odds are it'll just turn the public even more against them.
LMCane said:TCTTS said:
I could of course end up being completely wrong, but I'm becoming less and less convinced the studios are going to be able to hold out for months, if only because their fall movie slates are in far more jeopardy than they ever considered, and directors are pressuring them left and right to delay movies that depend heavily on actor promotion. Take the Zendaya-starring Challengers, for instance, that's scheduled for mid-September. Zendaya was paid $10M for that movie and there's just no way Amazon releases it without her massive social media sway and promotion. That's partly *why* they paid her what they did. I also know for a fact that Warner Bros is silently freaking out about Dune: Part Two in that regard. The last thing they want to do is release it without their insane young cast being able to help market it. Apply that to a ton of other movies this fall, and the studios are in for a world of hurt. Considering a week ago they were relatively convinced the actors weren't going to strike at all, and I truly do think that behind the scenes the studios were caught off guard and are now scrambling. Never mind how this is about to affect summer 2024. Another month of this and most summer 2024 movies are going to be forced to delay as well.
Granted, there's no way any of this gets resolved before Labor Day, but, knock on wood, the idea of this thing lasting until November or so is seemingly less and less likely, unless the studios really are hell bent on blowing the whole thing up…
with all of Hollwyood claiming poverty-
in reality how do all these "SAG Actors" pay their rent in Los Angeles?
I have a cousin that moved to LA to try to get into the biz several years back. He lived in a small house with about 10 other dudes. All were working service jobs and going to tryouts for bit roles in their spare time. I can't remember if it was this thread or another, but the stat that only 13% of SAG actually makes the $26k to qualify for the guild's health insurance was pretty telling about the financial state of the actors. Basically, most of these people have other jobs that act as their main source of income.
So if the studios can't truly hold out, are these responses just a stonewall bluff? If they are truly worried, you would think that they would be allowing minor concessions to maybe get an agreement in place without giving up the big stuff.
I think we're still in the hardball phase of the labor negotiation.Definitely Not A Cop said:
So if the studios can't truly hold out, are these responses just a stonewall bluff? If they are truly worried, you would think that they would be allowing minor concessions to maybe get an agreement in place without giving up the big stuff.
Did SAG condemn Ron Perlman's threat/allusion of violence against studio executives? Either way, that little rant probably added a few more weeks to the hardball phase of negotiations.
BassCowboy33 said:LMCane said:TCTTS said:
I could of course end up being completely wrong, but I'm becoming less and less convinced the studios are going to be able to hold out for months, if only because their fall movie slates are in far more jeopardy than they ever considered, and directors are pressuring them left and right to delay movies that depend heavily on actor promotion. Take the Zendaya-starring Challengers, for instance, that's scheduled for mid-September. Zendaya was paid $10M for that movie and there's just no way Amazon releases it without her massive social media sway and promotion. That's partly *why* they paid her what they did. I also know for a fact that Warner Bros is silently freaking out about Dune: Part Two in that regard. The last thing they want to do is release it without their insane young cast being able to help market it. Apply that to a ton of other movies this fall, and the studios are in for a world of hurt. Considering a week ago they were relatively convinced the actors weren't going to strike at all, and I truly do think that behind the scenes the studios were caught off guard and are now scrambling. Never mind how this is about to affect summer 2024. Another month of this and most summer 2024 movies are going to be forced to delay as well.
Granted, there's no way any of this gets resolved before Labor Day, but, knock on wood, the idea of this thing lasting until November or so is seemingly less and less likely, unless the studios really are hell bent on blowing the whole thing up…
with all of Hollwyood claiming poverty-
in reality how do all these "SAG Actors" pay their rent in Los Angeles?
I have a cousin that moved to LA to try to get into the biz several years back. He lived in a small house with about 10 other dudes. All were working service jobs and going to tryouts for bit roles in their spare time. I can't remember if it was this thread or another, but the stat that only 13% of SAG actually makes the $26k to qualify for the guild's health insurance was pretty telling about the financial state of the actors. Basically, most of these people have other jobs that act as their main source of income.
How many hours are the 87% actually working annually? How many work less than 100 hours and simply renew their union dues?
What is the minimum amount of work annually required to join SAG?
Some manage to support themselves by working part time jobs but everything is so unaffordable out here that their living conditions aren't great.LMCane said:
in reality how do all these "SAG Actors" pay their rent in Los Angeles?
A lot of these folks are supported by someone else such as:
- A spouse with a regular normie job
- A parent / money from home
- Alimony
- Child Support
- Inheritance
- Cashed out retirement
- Doctor's wife from "Back East"
- Foreign money from overseas
My closest friend with a SAG card was at least 75% funded by a child support check from Canada. When that ran out, it was a common law spouse's inheritance from Louisiana.
ETA: Forgot another big source of funding - a lawsuit judgement for probably half a million.
Also, should have added to the inheritance details - cashed out home equity. A big source of funding for many in "The Valley".
C@LAg said:
lot of unbalanced/biased information in that.
on the SAG side we get detailed, concise line items... but on the AMPTP side.. we get no equivalent conciseness or details, and do not have the ACTUAL responses to compare to the conveniently-SAG-summarized responses.
just saying. a lot of things are said or not said by how things are worded or presented.
Yeah. Even just the tone is very different between the two. That summary was not remotely objective.
I produced a SAG project for a friend back in 2017 and an actor did not show up. I stood in for him and had one line. I have been eligible to join ever since and just have to pay $3000 initiation fee.MasonStorm said:BassCowboy33 said:LMCane said:TCTTS said:
I could of course end up being completely wrong, but I'm becoming less and less convinced the studios are going to be able to hold out for months, if only because their fall movie slates are in far more jeopardy than they ever considered, and directors are pressuring them left and right to delay movies that depend heavily on actor promotion. Take the Zendaya-starring Challengers, for instance, that's scheduled for mid-September. Zendaya was paid $10M for that movie and there's just no way Amazon releases it without her massive social media sway and promotion. That's partly *why* they paid her what they did. I also know for a fact that Warner Bros is silently freaking out about Dune: Part Two in that regard. The last thing they want to do is release it without their insane young cast being able to help market it. Apply that to a ton of other movies this fall, and the studios are in for a world of hurt. Considering a week ago they were relatively convinced the actors weren't going to strike at all, and I truly do think that behind the scenes the studios were caught off guard and are now scrambling. Never mind how this is about to affect summer 2024. Another month of this and most summer 2024 movies are going to be forced to delay as well.
Granted, there's no way any of this gets resolved before Labor Day, but, knock on wood, the idea of this thing lasting until November or so is seemingly less and less likely, unless the studios really are hell bent on blowing the whole thing up…
with all of Hollwyood claiming poverty-
in reality how do all these "SAG Actors" pay their rent in Los Angeles?
I have a cousin that moved to LA to try to get into the biz several years back. He lived in a small house with about 10 other dudes. All were working service jobs and going to tryouts for bit roles in their spare time. I can't remember if it was this thread or another, but the stat that only 13% of SAG actually makes the $26k to qualify for the guild's health insurance was pretty telling about the financial state of the actors. Basically, most of these people have other jobs that act as their main source of income.
How many hours are the 87% actually working annually? How many work less than 100 hours and simply renew their union dues?
What is the minimum amount of work annually required to join SAG?
On the other hand it took me 5 years of working production to join The Directors Guild. The initiation Fee on that was $13K.
The tough reality is 99% of people aren't going to make a living as an actor. Even when the minimum fee on the SAG basic agreement is $1082 for the first 8 hours.
Just how much marketing is involved in Amazon or Netflix originals?TCTTS said:
I could of course end up being completely wrong, but I'm becoming less and less convinced the studios are going to be able to hold out for months, if only because their fall movie slates are in far more jeopardy than they ever considered, and directors are pressuring them left and right to delay movies that depend heavily on actor promotion. Take the Zendaya-starring Challengers, for instance, that's scheduled for mid-September. Zendaya was paid $10M for that movie and there's just no way Amazon releases it without her massive social media sway and promotion. That's partly *why* they paid her what they did. I also know for a fact that Warner Bros is silently freaking out about Dune: Part Two in that regard. The last thing they want to do is release it without their insanely popular young cast being able to help market it. Apply that to a ton of other movies this fall, and the studios are in for a world of hurt. Considering a week ago they were relatively convinced the actors weren't going to strike at all, and I truly do think that behind the scenes the studios were caught off guard and are now scrambling. Never mind how this is about to affect summer 2024. Another month of this and most summer 2024 movies are going to be forced to delay as well.
Granted, there's no way any of this gets resolved before Labor Day, but, knock on wood, the idea of this thing lasting until November or so is seemingly less and less likely, unless the studios really are hell bent on blowing the whole thing up…
I hear more about those releases here and by word of mouth from friends and family then any thing online or on any other any media platform. Other than trailers I see online (and look for) for big theater release movies, I don't see much if any marketing of Amazon/Neflix movies.
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