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Zero movement and there likely won't be any until after Labor Day. Both the WGA and SAG have said they're ready to get back to the negotiating table, but the AMPTP is refusing. I'm afraid this whole mess won't be over until October at the earliest, but who knows. It sounds like Newsom/the state government is going to get involved in "the fall" if this hasn't been settled by then, so maybe when outside parties start laying on the pressure come September or so all this crap finally starts to get worked out one way or another.

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What better way to ensure that studios move out of California?

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I wouldn't assume Newsom is going to immediately be pro-Union. The movie studios are probably some of his biggest donors. If it looks like Newsom is going to act, look for major campaign contributions from the studios and unions and they both try influence things

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Zero movement and there likely won't be any until after Labor Day. Both the WGA and SAG have said they're ready to get back to the negotiating table, but the AMPTP is refusing. I'm afraid this whole mess won't be over until October at the earliest, but who knows. It sounds like Newsom/the state government is going to get involved in "the fall" if this hasn't been settled by then, so maybe when outside parties start laying on the pressure come September or so all this crap finally starts to get worked out one way or another.

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What better way to ensure that studios move out of California?

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I wouldn't assume Newsom is going to immediately be pro-Union. The movie studios are probably some of his biggest donors. If it looks like Newsom is going to act, look for major campaign contributions from the studios and unions and they both try influence things

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He wants to run for president someday (maybe this time). If he chooses the studios, then he'll lose the union vote across the country. He will guarantee himself zero chance against Biden or somebody else in the primaries.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but he'd be really stupid.

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Zero movement and there likely won't be any until after Labor Day. Both the WGA and SAG have said they're ready to get back to the negotiating table, but the AMPTP is refusing. I'm afraid this whole mess won't be over until October at the earliest, but who knows. It sounds like Newsom/the state government is going to get involved in "the fall" if this hasn't been settled by then, so maybe when outside parties start laying on the pressure come September or so all this crap finally starts to get worked out one way or another.

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What better way to ensure that studios move out of California?

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I wouldn't assume Newsom is going to immediately be pro-Union. The movie studios are probably some of his biggest donors. If it looks like Newsom is going to act, look for major campaign contributions from the studios and unions and they both try influence things

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He wants to run for president someday (maybe this time). If he chooses the studios, then he'll lose the union vote across the country. He will guarantee himself zero chance against Biden or somebody else in the primaries.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but he'd be really stupid.

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So if he does what Biden did with the railworkers 6 months ago, he's gonna lose all the primary votes?

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I can't remember if this one was mentioned, but the whole talk of not releasing movies because the actors and actresses won't be able to do their normal interview circuits and press talks has one recent example against it's validity. Ryan Gosling pretty much single handedly neutered some of the box office potential for First Man a handful of years back with his pre-release commentary. There was a huge discussion on it on here.

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did he dog his own movie? I don't remember that. I actually thought it was a decent movie.

Have the Ags weighed in on this? appears 102 movies and shows are still working- so why would the studios collapse if their most important vehicles are still moving forward?

Sarah Silverman Is "Pissed Off" About Slew Of SAG-AFTRA Interim Agreements For Movies With Stars During Strike, Guild Responds Update
By Nellie Andreeva

Actor-comedian Sarah Silverman is confused about the large volume of projects that have been granted interim agreements by SAG-AFTRA to film during the actors strike. And she is not alone.

"I feel ******* pissed off, and I know I just must not be understanding something. There are like 40 movies being made right now," Silverman said in a video posted on Instagram Thursday night. "When SAG joined the strike, it's, 'Movie stars aren't making movies for you anymore, now what are you going to do?' Well, they're making movies. What the f*ck?"

Deadline's list, which is being updated daily, features 102 film and TV titles the vast majority of them movies that have received permission to shoot since the SAG-AFTRA work stoppage began on July 14, with the casts featuring a number of Oscar winners.

"Movie stars are making movies because they're 'independent' movies, and SAG is allowing it because if they do sell it to streaming, it has to be because streaming is abiding by all the things we're asking for," Silverman said, using air quotes around "independent". "That's just working. The strike ends when they come to the table and we make a deal in agreement."

Silverman revealed that she too has been offered an indie movie to film during the strike but refused to do it. She said some of her friends started to accept such offers. "Please, explain to me why I shouldn't be angry, because people are making real-deal sacrifices," she said. "People, writers, actors, crew people, all these people are sacrificing their livelihood for this cause. It's called union strong, where we are all together. And when SAG joined the strike, we should see every movie star out there striking along, because you have insurance because of your union and you get residuals because of your union. All of these things you get because of your union and you can't stand with your union?"

Silverman scolded both the actors who sign on for the movies with interim agreements and SAG-AFTRA for granting the waivers, which she thinks could "exponentially prolong" the strike.

"I don't know if I'm mad at these movie stars making these indie movies that are obviously going to go to streaming" or am I mad at SAG for making this interim deal for these indie movies. What the f*ck?"

UPDATE: SAG-AFTRA National Executive Director and Chief Negotiator Duncan Crabtree-Ireland responded to Deadline's request for comment.

"We've met with Sarah Silverman and other actors to provide more information, context, and resources around the interim agreements," he said. "Our members remain united and all-in for our fight to secure fair, equitable, and respectful contracts."

The large number of waivers for movie and TV productions, which is growing daily, is raising eyebrows, especially since a few of the projects have ties to struck companies that are members of the AMPTP.

Some of the high-profile projects that have received interim agreements so far include Apple TV+'s series Tehran; spy drama series The Gray House, produced by Kevin Costner and Morgan Freeman, which is being distributed internationally by Paramount Global; New Line pickup The Watchers from Ishana Night Shyamalan; Glenn Close's The Summer Book; Viola Davis' MRC action thriller G20, which will be distributed by Amazon, as well as A24 titles Mother Mary and Dreams of a Unicorne

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It's not the same people. The studios send all kinds of insane swag to critics, bloggers, professional fanboys, etc in attempt to woo and sway them, spending millions in the process. They don't send swag to WGA writers. And he's saying since the critics, bloggers, etc have to watch the content regardless, it's a giant waste of money.

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hmmm. pretty strange that such logical commentary only comes out AFTER a strike against the studios.

where were these people pointing out such hypocrisy of Hollywood BEFORE the strike?

It's things like this why Americans can't stand Los Angeles.

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Have the Ags weighed in on this? appears 102 movies and shows are still working- so why would the studios collapse if their most important vehicles are still moving forward?

Sarah Silverman Is "Pissed Off" About Slew Of SAG-AFTRA Interim Agreements For Movies With Stars During Strike, Guild Responds Update
By Nellie Andreeva

Actor-comedian Sarah Silverman is confused about the large volume of projects that have been granted interim agreements by SAG-AFTRA to film during the actors strike. And she is not alone.

"I feel ******* pissed off, and I know I just must not be understanding something. There are like 40 movies being made right now," Silverman said in a video posted on Instagram Thursday night. "When SAG joined the strike, it's, 'Movie stars aren't making movies for you anymore, now what are you going to do?' Well, they're making movies. What the f*ck?"

Deadline's list, which is being updated daily, features 102 film and TV titles the vast majority of them movies that have received permission to shoot since the SAG-AFTRA work stoppage began on July 14, with the casts featuring a number of Oscar winners.

"Movie stars are making movies because they're 'independent' movies, and SAG is allowing it because if they do sell it to streaming, it has to be because streaming is abiding by all the things we're asking for," Silverman said, using air quotes around "independent". "That's just working. The strike ends when they come to the table and we make a deal in agreement."

Silverman revealed that she too has been offered an indie movie to film during the strike but refused to do it. She said some of her friends started to accept such offers. "Please, explain to me why I shouldn't be angry, because people are making real-deal sacrifices," she said. "People, writers, actors, crew people, all these people are sacrificing their livelihood for this cause. It's called union strong, where we are all together. And when SAG joined the strike, we should see every movie star out there striking along, because you have insurance because of your union and you get residuals because of your union. All of these things you get because of your union and you can't stand with your union?"

Silverman scolded both the actors who sign on for the movies with interim agreements and SAG-AFTRA for granting the waivers, which she thinks could "exponentially prolong" the strike.

"I don't know if I'm mad at these movie stars making these indie movies that are obviously going to go to streaming" or am I mad at SAG for making this interim deal for these indie movies. What the f*ck?"

UPDATE: SAG-AFTRA National Executive Director and Chief Negotiator Duncan Crabtree-Ireland responded to Deadline's request for comment.

"We've met with Sarah Silverman and other actors to provide more information, context, and resources around the interim agreements," he said. "Our members remain united and all-in for our fight to secure fair, equitable, and respectful contracts."

The large number of waivers for movie and TV productions, which is growing daily, is raising eyebrows, especially since a few of the projects have ties to struck companies that are members of the AMPTP.

Some of the high-profile projects that have received interim agreements so far include Apple TV+'s series Tehran; spy drama series The Gray House, produced by Kevin Costner and Morgan Freeman, which is being distributed internationally by Paramount Global; New Line pickup The Watchers from Ishana Night Shyamalan; Glenn Close's The Summer Book; Viola Davis' MRC action thriller G20, which will be distributed by Amazon, as well as A24 titles Mother Mary and Dreams of a Unicorne

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It's very simple. As the article states, these are "independent" companies. NOT studios who are part of the AMPTP. Further, these companies have AGREED to SAG's terms, therefor SAG is allowing their actors to act in projects for these companies.

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Zero movement and there likely won't be any until after Labor Day. Both the WGA and SAG have said they're ready to get back to the negotiating table, but the AMPTP is refusing. I'm afraid this whole mess won't be over until October at the earliest, but who knows. It sounds like Newsom/the state government is going to get involved in "the fall" if this hasn't been settled by then, so maybe when outside parties start laying on the pressure come September or so all this crap finally starts to get worked out one way or another.

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What better way to ensure that studios move out of California?

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I wouldn't assume Newsom is going to immediately be pro-Union. The movie studios are probably some of his biggest donors. If it looks like Newsom is going to act, look for major campaign contributions from the studios and unions and they both try influence things

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He wants to run for president someday (maybe this time). If he chooses the studios, then he'll lose the union vote across the country. He will guarantee himself zero chance against Biden or somebody else in the primaries.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but he'd be really stupid.

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So if he does what Biden did with the railworkers 6 months ago, he's gonna lose all the primary votes?

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Biden would have never done that as governor a few months before primary season. It's one thing to do it when you are already president and expect to run unopposed in your next election. It's another to do it in Newson's current position. If he does it now, then I take that as a sign he's not running in 2024. Hell, I bet Biden himself wouldn't do that now with the primaries so close.

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Have the Ags weighed in on this? appears 102 movies and shows are still working- so why would the studios collapse if their most important vehicles are still moving forward?

Sarah Silverman Is "Pissed Off" About Slew Of SAG-AFTRA Interim Agreements For Movies With Stars During Strike, Guild Responds Update
By Nellie Andreeva

Actor-comedian Sarah Silverman is confused about the large volume of projects that have been granted interim agreements by SAG-AFTRA to film during the actors strike. And she is not alone.

"I feel ******* pissed off, and I know I just must not be understanding something. There are like 40 movies being made right now," Silverman said in a video posted on Instagram Thursday night. "When SAG joined the strike, it's, 'Movie stars aren't making movies for you anymore, now what are you going to do?' Well, they're making movies. What the f*ck?"

Deadline's list, which is being updated daily, features 102 film and TV titles the vast majority of them movies that have received permission to shoot since the SAG-AFTRA work stoppage began on July 14, with the casts featuring a number of Oscar winners.

"Movie stars are making movies because they're 'independent' movies, and SAG is allowing it because if they do sell it to streaming, it has to be because streaming is abiding by all the things we're asking for," Silverman said, using air quotes around "independent". "That's just working. The strike ends when they come to the table and we make a deal in agreement."

Silverman revealed that she too has been offered an indie movie to film during the strike but refused to do it. She said some of her friends started to accept such offers. "Please, explain to me why I shouldn't be angry, because people are making real-deal sacrifices," she said. "People, writers, actors, crew people, all these people are sacrificing their livelihood for this cause. It's called union strong, where we are all together. And when SAG joined the strike, we should see every movie star out there striking along, because you have insurance because of your union and you get residuals because of your union. All of these things you get because of your union and you can't stand with your union?"

Silverman scolded both the actors who sign on for the movies with interim agreements and SAG-AFTRA for granting the waivers, which she thinks could "exponentially prolong" the strike.

"I don't know if I'm mad at these movie stars making these indie movies that are obviously going to go to streaming" or am I mad at SAG for making this interim deal for these indie movies. What the f*ck?"

UPDATE: SAG-AFTRA National Executive Director and Chief Negotiator Duncan Crabtree-Ireland responded to Deadline's request for comment.

"We've met with Sarah Silverman and other actors to provide more information, context, and resources around the interim agreements," he said. "Our members remain united and all-in for our fight to secure fair, equitable, and respectful contracts."

The large number of waivers for movie and TV productions, which is growing daily, is raising eyebrows, especially since a few of the projects have ties to struck companies that are members of the AMPTP.

Some of the high-profile projects that have received interim agreements so far include Apple TV+'s series Tehran; spy drama series The Gray House, produced by Kevin Costner and Morgan Freeman, which is being distributed internationally by Paramount Global; New Line pickup The Watchers from Ishana Night Shyamalan; Glenn Close's The Summer Book; Viola Davis' MRC action thriller G20, which will be distributed by Amazon, as well as A24 titles Mother Mary and Dreams of a Unicorne

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It's very simple. As the article states, these are "independent" companies. NOT studios who are part of the AMPTP. Further, these companies have AGREED to SAG's terms, therefor SAG is allowing their actors to act in projects for these companies.

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Actually, I don't think it's that simple. They movies might be getting made by independent companies, but they are being distributed by the major studios/streamers. See there just in the last paragraph that are going to AppleTV, Amazon, Paramount, etc. Are those really independent?

Independent companies are paying for them, those studios are distributing them. And I assume those studios can't release them until the strike is over.

I just posted this on the Secret Invasion thread. Potential spoilers for that (bad) show, especially in the comments:

https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/15dkt12/fyi_secret_invasion_changed_showrunners_after/

IMO… when you devalue writers and swap them out in midstream, you end up with franchise-damaging **** like this. I'm sure there are a lot of lessons to be taken from this but that's my #1 takeaway.

Isn't this similar to what happened with Falcon and Winter Soldier? Not so much personnel, but world events forcing a significant change in direction and creative vision. It definitely showed there, too.

Supposedly all that was changed by COVID was the location for episodes 3 and 4. The rumor was a plague-related storyline, but that's been denied by everyone involved.

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Independent companies are paying for them, those studios are distributing them. And I assume those studios can't release them until the strike is over.

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Wouldn't that be beneficial for the independents? If the independents create work and product that is comparable, what damage, in terms of reputation and wage, does that pose to those currently striking?

How many writers are really needed to make quality product? White Lotus has one writer. Many of the greatest TV shows of all time had only a handful of writers involved. As noted in the podcast I posted above, the strike in 88 lead to the spec script boom of the 90s and what we now call reality TV. Studios will find product anywhere they can find it.

There has been a movie filming in my neighborhood and the local McCoy's for the past few weeks staring Brandon Routh. Bunch of scabs.

Scabs

For context (ignore the cheesy last line)…

Upcoming strike milestones:
-August 9: 100 days, the length of the 2007-2008 strike
-August 11: 14.5 weeks, the average length of all WGA strikes
-October 2: 153 days, the longest strike in history (1988)
-Never: the day we give up ✊

— David H. Steinberg (@DavidHSteinberg) July 31, 2023

Finally, it seems the studios are ready to begin the *process* of getting back to the bargaining table. But first they have to agree amongst themselves what their new terms/limits are going to be (based on the last round of negotiations). They'll likely reach a consensus, but if not, this could potentially be where we see a fracture between the traditional studios and Big Tech…

#Waxword goes inside the studio talks as they try to find common ground with each other before returning to negotiations with the guilds. What they can agree on? It has to happen soon. https://t.co/iiDRgSRByy

— TheWrap (@TheWrap) August 1, 2023

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Finally, it seems the studios are ready to begin the *process* of getting back to the bargaining table. But first they have to agree amongst themselves what their new terms/limits are going to be (based on the last round of negotiations). They'll likely reach a consensus, but if not, this could potentially be where we see a fracture between the traditional studios and Big Tech…

#Waxword goes inside the studio talks as they try to find common ground with each other before returning to negotiations with the guilds. What they can agree on? It has to happen soon. https://t.co/iiDRgSRByy

— TheWrap (@TheWrap) August 1, 2023

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This reminds me a lot of the MLB, and how the owners could never really get on the same page and got continuously broken by the players. Different power dynamic here, but it has to start somewhere.

Weren't the MLB owners fined for collusion or some such?

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Weren't the MLB owners fined for collusion or some such?

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At times, yes. Most notably, in 1918, when the owners colluded to release all their players, and in the 80s, when they refused to sign anyone. The owners eventually lost out each time because they couldn't maintain their ranks either legally or financially. Money is a powerful motivator.

It's an absolutely fascinating history on both sides. I'd highly recommend Lords of the Realm, which I consider the best sports history book ever written (As I've said no less than half a dozen times on TexAgs). It's an amazing, 700+ page, single-volume history about how the MLBPA became the most powerful union in America.

EXCLUSIVE: The writers strike is heading towards its 100th day but there’s a new sense of guarded optimism that both parties – the WGA and the studios, represented by the AMPTP – are on the verge of making a breakthrough https://t.co/u5yFxhFH4a

— Deadline Hollywood (@DEADLINE) August 1, 2023

Most people (myself included) seemed to think that the AMPTP wouldn't come back to the table again until after Labor Day, so hopefully this means they're either starting to panic or are at least ready to seriously engage this go around…

Studios Seek To Reopen Talks With WGA On Friday https://t.co/nkazOiXemo

— Deadline Hollywood (@DEADLINE) August 2, 2023

2008 was only 100 days? For some reason that felt way longer.

Didn't hurt that we got some of the best ever Conan material in those 100 days, and it introduced us to the greatness of Jordan Schlansky.

For reference, formal talks resumed in 2007 after 21 days of striking. We are on day 92 and only the *idea* of formal talks is only being discussed on Friday. But hey, it’s a step in the right direction!

— David H. Steinberg (@DavidHSteinberg) August 2, 2023

I had a nine hour drive today that I spent on the phone with industry people convinced we're going to be striking through January, only to come home to this news. Moral? No one knows anything. pic.twitter.com/QmREkz966K

— Zack Stentz (@MuseZack) August 2, 2023