Writers Guild strike 2023

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Can someone give a quick/shirt summary of what the actors are asking for? I'm assuming more money, but why do they think they are entitled to more money if the market doesn't dictate paying them more? I read the tweet or lost saying that big tech has made the writing rooms smaller, etc but why should they have to keep writing rooms at a certain size if they can put out good content with fewer writers?

Not trying to be argumentative, just asking genuine questions. I've read the last couple pages of this thread but honestly don't know much at all about the positions of either side in the strike/negotiations.
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The very first post gives a breakdown on what both sides want
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For the first time in over 60 years, writers and actors will be on strike simultaneously, essentially shutting down all of Hollywood for who knows how long.

Congratulations, studios, it's official. You are now colossally, unprecedentedly inept and out of touch. About to lose infinitely more money than had you merely met each guild halfway.
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LMCane
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TCTTS said:

These people are f/cking ghouls…

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"The endgame is to allow things to drag on until union members start losing their apartments and losing their houses," a studio executive told Deadline. Acknowledging the cold-as-ice approach, several other sources reiterated the statement. One insider called it "a cruel but necessary evil."


LMAO

so the writers vote to go on strike and then are shocked and horrified they won't get paid and have to suffer consequences?!?!

tell me someone doesn't understand capitalism without telling me they don't understand capitalism.
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What an accomplishment in lack of reading comprehension. Bravo.
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LMCane said:

TCTTS said:

These people are f/cking ghouls…

Quote:

"The endgame is to allow things to drag on until union members start losing their apartments and losing their houses," a studio executive told Deadline. Acknowledging the cold-as-ice approach, several other sources reiterated the statement. One insider called it "a cruel but necessary evil."


LMAO

so the writers vote to go on strike and then are shocked and horrified they won't get paid and have to suffer consequences?!?!

tell me someone doesn't understand capitalism without telling me they don't understand capitalism.


There's a difference between "capitalism" and actively trying to destroy the people who make your product.

The current landscape is simply not sustainable. The writers aren't striking out of greed. They're striking for their very livelihoods, and the health of an industry that the streamers/big tech have objectively crippled, nearly to the point of no return. It's WHY both the writers and the actors are taking unprecedented action.

It's that dire.

On top of that, what these guilds are asking for is nothing to these studios. It's less than 3% of the studios' annual profits. And yet the studios are literally *telling* these people that they'd rather destroy them than give up that 3%. That the LIFEBLOOD of the industry is essentially meaningless to them. On no planet, under no economic system, is that not evil.

Meanwhile, all you can do is laugh and pop off? When someone like me isn't even in a guild, yet I'm suffering the consequences and my entire career is on hold because of this whole fiasco. I know someone will inevitably gripe at me for making this personal, but it literally is.

Try having just a little bit of empathy, dude.
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TCTTS, do you think there might be some animosity from the writers/actors towards the DGA for reaching a deal with the studios earlier this year, or are the directors' needs so different that it's not an issue?
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Ultimately, the directors' needs are different enough, but yeah, there's definitely still a bit of animosity there. It's not animosity for them reaching a deal, necessarily, it's animosity that the DGA talked a big game when the WGA first started striking, showed unity, said they were all in this together, etc. But then just a few weeks later went and made a deal, no problem.

That said, as long as two of the three guilds are striking, the point is ultimately moot, and there won't be any bad blood there. Not all three needed to strike to bring things to a complete shut down, just two. Also, the writers and the actors seem to get along better, will picket together better, etc. Not a lot of directors are big picketers, a number of them are kind of too cool for school, etc. At least that's the vibe I'm getting (not to say there aren't plenty of awesome directors who joined the writers in picketing).
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LMCane said:

TCTTS said:

These people are f/cking ghouls…

Quote:

"The endgame is to allow things to drag on until union members start losing their apartments and losing their houses," a studio executive told Deadline. Acknowledging the cold-as-ice approach, several other sources reiterated the statement. One insider called it "a cruel but necessary evil."


LMAO

so the writers vote to go on strike and then are shocked and horrified they won't get paid and have to suffer consequences?!?!

tell me someone doesn't understand capitalism without telling me they don't understand capitalism.
Which writer said that they should be paid by a studio while on strike?
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mavsfan4ever said:

Can someone give a quick/shirt summary of what the actors are asking for? I'm assuming more money, but why do they think they are entitled to more money if the market doesn't dictate paying them more? I read the tweet or lost saying that big tech has made the writing rooms smaller, etc but why should they have to keep writing rooms at a certain size if they can put out good content with fewer writers?

Not trying to be argumentative, just asking genuine questions. I've read the last couple pages of this thread but honestly don't know much at all about the positions of either side in the strike/negotiations.


I found this on Reddit which was helpful

Hey there, I saw a lot of people asking similar questions in other threads, so copied my original comment explaining the various players' demands:

The main sticking points for actors (SAG-AFTRA):
- residuals for streaming based on viewership
- AI regulations (as well as not using it to recreate an actor's likeness after the fact)
- regulations against/addressing self tapes. They want auditions to be in person again (this is actually a major point that most people outside of the industry aren't talking about)

Main sticking points for writers (WGA):
- residuals for streaming based on viewership (overlap w/ SAG)
- AI regulations. No AI in the script writing process (some overlap w/ SAG. Same overall issue, but different specifics, meaning different language in each contract)
- "Preserving the writers room". That's how it was written in the WGA pattern of demands and this might actually be the biggest sticking point for the WGA. The two major parts are:
1) breaking up mini-rooms that stop new writers from breaking in and seasoned writers from moving up
2) lengthening the contract length to ensure that screenwriting does not continue down the path to a gig economy

What the studios want (AMPTP):
- obviously, none of the above
- for the tech companies, and likely the biggest sticking point in all, is the residuals on viewership. This would require them to release their viewership numbers which they have vehemently refused to do, likely because it gives some insight into a not as successful business model as their other metrics have suggested
- regarding AI: they do not want this off the table in perpetuity. They see the opportunity to cut out labor and desperately want to protect the chance to do so
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The actors strike is on.
Murphy and Blunt walked out of their premiere.
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This is just laughably bad…

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Reminds of selma Hayek taking a **** in the church
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I obviously know nothing about this business.
What is the image being created?
Who owns the image and the rights to the image?
What does the contract say?

This sounds a lot like I hire a guy to develop a website for, I pay him for his work, I plan/do use the website for as long as I want to. Basically, I gave him a spec for what I wanted, I approved his work, I pay and say thanks- great job and we both move on. What am I missing?
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Maybe a better analogy would be: You hire the guy for a day to upload all his web building skills. Then you build the site yourself with the skills you paid for and uploaded. And now you potentially have no need for the guy in the future if you ever want to build any other sites or modify the one you have.
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Maybe, but if that is what you paid for and he agreed to do the job?

What about the other questions? I'm truly trying to understand.
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It always amazes me how ignorant people who go on strike are.
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double aught said:

Maybe a better analogy would be: You hire the guy for a day to upload all his web building skills. Then you build the site yourself with the skills you paid for and uploaded. And now you potentially have no need for the guy in the future if you ever want to build any other sites or modify the one you have.

Except you paying that web developer once - and then others paying other web developers once - doesn't then put web developers out of work for eternity. Because they can keep taking job after job after job. But if these studios each build a database of, say, a hundred different digital background actors, they never have to pay background actors ever again, and that whole sector of the industry goes away. And yes, maybe that's just an unfortunate byproduct of the advancement of technology, and I get that. But A) it's going to look like sh*t, and B) it's going to set a trend that could very quickly spiral out of control.
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Got it. Does the actor have to sign the contract?
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I get it, but you can do all that now with AI and deep fake technology.
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C@LAg said:

TXAGBQ76 said:

Maybe, but if that is what you paid for and he agreed to do the job?

What about the other questions? I'm truly trying to understand.
an individual actor is fully entitled and permitted to sell their likeness away if they so desire to.

this specific point is to prevent that being the de facto standard.

e.g extreme example. a young ronald reagan today would have his likeness captured and owned by the studio (under the terms they want)

in 20 years, when he theoretically runs for president, Big Hollywood could make an all CGI movie having his likeness be in a homosexual relationship, doing drugs, beating a woman etc. Something he would not have approved of at the time.

Bingo. If someone wants to do this, collect their $350 check, and understands the consequences, no one's stopping them. Go right ahead. It's the *trend* this sets, to where pretty soon studios will start expecting to pay more and more actors a one-time scan/digital likeness fee, and before we know it every last person and object in the frame will be digital.
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I see where you are coming from, but what's to keep the studios from going outside the industry and developing their own digital "actors" and moving forward? From a business perspective, the ROI could be attractive if all the studios care about are profits.
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TXAGBQ76 said:

I see where you are coming from, but what's to keep the studios from going outside the industry and developing their own digital "actors" and moving forward? From a business perspective, the ROI could be attractive if all the studios care about are profits.

It costs more to create a lifelike digital character from scratch than it does just to scan a real person.
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It's also worth nothing that background work is how many actors first get their SAG cards, which means health insurance for those struggling/trying to break into the industry. And yeah, boo-hoo for them if that goes away, I'm just throwing it out there.
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Today that can certainly be true, but technology moves fast
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True. Overall, a more digital world is inevitable in this industry, but a happy medium would at least be to compensate these background actors down the line as well. Say, for every ten appearances their avatar makes, they get a small "residual" check. Something along those lines.
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TXAGBQ76 said:

Today that can certainly be true, but technology moves fast
It does. But CG effects have been around for decades. Despite that, practical effects (or at least a combination of the two) still look better. I would think the same will be true for real actors vs digital ones for a long time.
 
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