C@LAg said:

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double aught said:

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TXAGBQ76 said:

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Today that can certainly be true, but technology moves fast

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It does. But CG effects have been around for decades. Despite that, practical effects (or at least a combination of the two) still look better. I would think the same will be true for real actors vs digital ones for a long time.

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but for background actors (which is what this is about at present) they are rarely the subect of the camera/in focus for long, so replacing with CGI is quick/easy and likely not to have a noticeable impact on a film, even if it is mostly a practical one. No worries of uncanny valley issues if the character is not the focus of a scene.

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Eh, yes and no. A lot of background actors are also literally two or three feet behind the main actors. Say, at a party, bar, restaurant, office or wherever. They're WAY more prevalent and visible than you might think.

That poor background actor that had to get in the ring and get digitally altered into Arnold in "The Running Man" before Governor Jesse killed him.

The studios will be killing background actors so they don't have to pay them.

Any comments on how this overall will affect the industry in the long run? Or will this really even affect the average everyday person these days unlike even 5 or 10 years ago?

If it was 10 or more years ago a lot of average everyday people would be pissed since everything dealt with new tv airings and movies a lot more. For me I feel like there are so many more choices for entertainment. I find myself watching less tv shows, especially cable and network, and movies. With the newer cable and streaming show formats usually have 10 or less shows a season. However, i do have a huge backlog of shows and movies I would love to catch up on or rewatch after not seeing them in many years. With video games, books, YouTube video, twitch streaming, podcasts, comics, concerts, just general stuff on the internet, and shows and movies that are on my backlog as well as keeping up with sports I'll need a 10 year sabbatical from work to just get through it all as well as life in general.

There are times i am like, can ya'll stop making new stuff so i can play catchup on everything. Yeah, i cannot wait for certain shows or movies, but those have gotten less and less it seems like. I end up leaning to stuff that i can consume faster. I love the fact i can listen to a podcast or watch a YouTube video or a previous twitch stream at 2x speed. Not because i am ADHD, but i am just trying to consume as much as i can when i can. An hour worth of material in 30 mins. That doesn't work with scripted stuff as much, but there are sometimes i am like, damn i wish i could just speed this movie or show up just a tad bit.

basically to the average everyday person this will be just a side note in their life. I understand it affects those where their jobs intersect with the industry. If either the union or the studios think that this work stoppage is going to annoy the public, i think it won't. Part of the reason for strikes is to annoy the consumer for each side to point to the other side for the cause of their annoyance or inconvenience. They are the bad side and they are the cause of your frustration, not us, so yell at those baddies. Plus the consumer has gotten used to the best shows taking years between seasons. It's been 2 years, what's another year. So it just comes down to a standoff on who has the most money to hold out the longest. For this part of the entertainment industry, strikes won't affect the consumer as much anymore unless studios and networks start to remove their content from the net. This just is going to cause me to move further away on watching average to slightly above average tv shows and movies.

If studios think they can replace background actors with a digital scan, then they can also replace background actors with people off the street.

- The entire fall TV schedule just officially went up in smoke. No new scripted series on the big four networks. Expect reruns and reality TV in that regard for the rest of the year.

- The streaming series that were completely finished before today - and not in need of actor ADR ("Automated Dialogue Replacement," which is done in post on every single movie and show) - will still release later this year. That said, we don't know which shows have been affected yet. For instance, season four of True Detective finished filming months ago, and is/was scheduled to release in October. But if they only have four episodes complete now, and are still in need of ADR on the final four episodes - series like that will be delayed as well, potentially to 2024. And there could be *a lot* of series that fit this bill.

- Every big fall awards movie premieres at the fall festivals starting in early September. Now? The entire fall festival circuit has likely been compromised, since there won't be any stars to promote their movies, thus no point in having the festivals to begin with. This will in turn likely affect the release dates of a number of fall movies dependent on star promotion. No red carpets, no interviews, no talk shows, etc. And without those promotional mechanism, the studios may simply decide it's not worth releasing these movie at all, until the strike is over.

- Some spring 2024 movies, and nearly all summer 2024 movies, are now in jeopardy of hitting their release dates as well, since most of them were smack dab in the middle of filming.

- The Emmys, scheduled for September 18th, will now be pushed back to either November, December, or even January.

Basically, we'll still see new stuff in the fall, but every month, starting in September, expect fewer and fewer things to debut and release, both on TV and in theaters, the longer these strikes continue.

Agreed. We've been without the Late Night Talk Show circuit for a while now since the writers strike, has box office or any thing else been impacted by it? Not that I can tell.

Yep- plus all of the pat me on the back and tell me how good I am shows like Oscar's, Emmy's, etc. that have turned into nothing more than political commentary shows can go away and a ton of folks won't even notice.

C@LAg said:

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and there is a LOT of content people have not watched that was released in the last 3 years. people will just have to subscribe to alternate or 2nd tied providers (Paramount, Peacock, Apple) they have not previosuly done so.

and with the strike likely being over before end of year... the average person might not feel like they missed out on much through most of 2024.

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I have a notepad on my phone with a running list of recommendations I have taken from this forum. I have barely made a dent in it.

Quad Dog said:

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Agreed. We've been without the Late Night Talk Show circuit for a while now since the writers strike, has box office or any thing else been impacted by it? Not that I can tell.

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I mean, box office has been infamously terrible this summer for movies like Fast X, The Flash, and Indiana Jones. It's hard to correlate that in any way to things like talk show appearances, of course, but box office *has* been suffering (even though it's up overall since last year).

I have to congratulate AMPTP for doing the impossible - uniting pretty much everyone against their shittiness. I’ve seen the most devout of franchise fans who usually fear delays and work stoppages say, “Wow, what they want is pretty fucked up.”

— ViewerAnon (@ViewerAnon) July 14, 2023

House of the Dragon has a largely British cast working under Equity contracts rather than SAG-AFTRA ones. Similarly, fellow HBO show Industry operates under Equity rules and sources close to production say both shows are moving forward as planned https://t.co/GxUGRf4mpI

— Deadline Hollywood (@DEADLINE) July 13, 2023

Brits playing the long game to take over Hollywood.

C@LAg said:

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Spider-Man 2, Baldurs Gate 3, Alan Wake 2, Starfield all going to get big boosts due to limited competition for dollars.

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BG3 was already gonna get a huge boost thanks to having beastiality romances right.

Starfield has been my main anticipation for the last 2 years

Legal Custodian said:

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I fully support the writers and actors on the AI stuff (mainly from a controlling your identity and a privacy standpoint and knowing what's deepfake and what's not).

But from a "keep the writing room together" and trying to keep away from a gig economy, I have to side with the studios. Industries and jobs constantly change and the free market dictates that's the way writing seems to be going.

It's unfortunate for the writers but that's the way it goes. I understand them wanting to prevent it from happening for their own sakes, but don't think I agree with them.

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Except you're leaving out the part where a gig economy in this instance inevitably leads to the industry as a whole imploding. Without CAREERS, the necessarily experience and knowledge gained from them eventually dissolves. And in ten years, when those at the very top, who do have the necessary experience and knowledge, start retiring, there will be no one to replace them. It'll just be a couple hundred writers who have spent years hopping from three-week gig to three-week gig, with zero on set experience, zero post experience, zero producing experience, etc. All things gained from a thriving writers room, and being on set, in the edit bay, etc, NOT from mini-rooms. There's a reason this business worked so well for decades. And it's Big Tech who came in a completely f/cked it. What these two strikes are for isn't greed, it's self preservation. It's an attempt to keep Big Tech from irrevocably destroying something that never should have been broken in the first place, in their blind attempts to chase quarterly earnings and nothing more.

As Hollywood shuts down, we have to recognize this is about way more than movies or TV shows.

This is about opposing an exploitative system that oppresses all of us, a system that worsens every single day and is poised, with AI, to go into hyperdrive.https://t.co/xcdjau2PxA pic.twitter.com/Xd2FgLxJ3i

— Jared Yates Sexton (@JYSexton) July 13, 2023

And I would disagree with you that the fate of entertainment is hanging in the balance of these strikes. Gig economies won't implode the entertainment industry. Will it effect the quality of the product? Sure it might. But that doesn't affect the economics of it at all.

This would have happened with or without Big Tech entering the arena.

If this goes well into the fall, I feel like both sides could really be screwing themselves. There a so many options out there for entertainment. A lot of people who want new content might go to YouTube, TikTok, etc. They could go to video games, or possibly even go outside to touch grass. There's a good chance a lot of people might drastically cut their time consuming Hollywood content, and they might not come back.

We had this exact same conversation during Covid, and none of that turned out to be true.

TCTTS said:

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We had this exact same conversation during Covid, and none of that turned out to be true.

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You just said that this summer's box office numbers are lagging. I'm pretty sure the numbers are still down from pre-pandemic levels.

AustinAg2K said:

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TCTTS said:

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We had this exact same conversation during Covid, and none of that turned out to be true.

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You just said that this summer's box office numbers are lagging. I'm pretty sure the numbers are still down from pre-pandemic levels.

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2022's box office was 30% lower than in 2019. So far, 2023's box office is 20% better than at this point in 2022 (despite the three bombs I mentioned). In other words, we're 90% back overall, which is pretty damn encouraging, and signals something very different from "a lot of people drastically cutting their time consuming Hollywood content." Will we ever be back to 100%? Probably not. But the comeback from Covid, which was far more devastating than if these strikes were to last into the fall, proved that audiences aren't just going to disappear en masse.