The trimmed trees were on this thread before.
https://www.businessinsider.com/nbcuniversal-fined-250-trimming-trees-shade-writers-actors-on-strike-2023-7

As THR exclusively previewed on Monday (see below), publicists from Hollywood's PR firms met with SAG-AFTRA representatives via Zoom on Tuesday afternoon to discuss the ongoing strike and its devastating impact on the PR community.

Publicists who spoke afterwards with THR described the meeting as "disturbing," "****ty" and "pretty horrific," noting that SAG-AFTRA listened to their questions and concerns but ultimately made no accommodations to mitigate the damage that the strike's terms are having on publicists.

Said one publicist, "They addressed it by basically saying, 'Sorry you are all losing your jobs, but it is for the good of the actors and our mission,'" and faulting the AMPTP for refusing to come back to the negotiating table.

SAG-AFTRA reiterated to the publicists that they cannot pitch or engage with press on behalf of clients who are members of SAG-AFTRA without repercussions for the clients.

canadiaggie said:

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nai06 said:

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Somebody on this thread hasn't realized they are 100% replaceable by their employer.

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This EOT lol

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LOL at desperately declaring "thread enders" because your attempts at actual logic and economics have failed.

canadiaggie said:

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aTmAg said:

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canadiaggie said:

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nai06 said:

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Somebody on this thread hasn't realized they are 100% replaceable by their employer.

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This EOT lol

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LOL at desperately declaring "thread enders" because your attempts at actual logic and economics have failed.

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You rn:

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Why would I be pissed?

1) I'm enjoying the strike
2) I'm enjoying poster after poster try to engage, just to run away and hide.

What's to be angry about?

howitzercannon said:

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Running away? It's texags… is it supposed to be taken seriously? Am I supposed to be at my keyboard hitting F5 20 times a second? I'm trying to figure out how this strike is going to affect me and all I see are deflecting insults from those who claim to care.

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I'm talking about guys like Spilner who post what they think are mic drop posts, just to abandon them after getting their argument embarrassingly squashed. (After many hours.. not 1/20th of a second)

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Reading OP it said shows that may be affected are shows like Jimmy Kimmel. Why is that news and why do we care about a strike that isn't going to seem like it affects real shows?

The strike seems to be talking about writers not making money, so then why are they writers if it seems the money is at being a producer according to what's his face TCTTS? I do not have the dudes username memorized.

I only get on here while producing number 2

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It seems to me that the order of things should be to start out as a writer, then move up to producer and whatnot later. Eventually, if you are really good, you end up like Vince Gilligan or something. If you stay a writer, you shouldn't get paid like a producer simply because you have been doing it a long time. You have to be really good and able to negotiate higher risk/bigger reward deals. Ideally, there wouldn't be a union involved and really good writers could take more risk, negotiate themselves a net points deal for a particular script on their own, then then strike it rich when their stuff does well.

double aught said:

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aTmAg said:

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canadiaggie said:

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aTmAg said:

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canadiaggie said:

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nai06 said:

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Somebody on this thread hasn't realized they are 100% replaceable by their employer.

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This EOT lol

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LOL at desperately declaring "thread enders" because your attempts at actual logic and economics have failed.

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You rn:

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Why would I be pissed?

1) I'm enjoying the strike
2) I'm enjoying poster after poster try to engage, just to run away and hide.

What's to be angry about?

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No one runs away and hides. You just never, ever stop arguing.

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They post a point, get all sorts of stars (implying that the sheep here think it's a "good" point), then I respond, and that argument gets completely abandoned. Then many hours later the same poster comes back with another pathetic attempt, with the same result.

That's running and hiding.

Prophet00 said:

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It's obvious that ......, clearly anyone that remotely understands this would agree, it's embarrassing that anyone would think otherwise.

Hah, you aren't responding and got owned. Run and hide.

I WiN tHe dEbAte

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LOL... You guys didn't understand the difference between wage and cost of living.

Holding your hand through that was much more than merely saying "clearly anybody that remotely understands would agree".

But whatever it takes for you to feel better.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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I'm talking about guys like Spilner who post what they think are mic drop posts, just to abandon them after getting their argument embarrassingly squashed. (After many hours.. not 1/20th of a second)

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Lmao at this spin. You've not said a single thing worthy of response. And sorry to leave you hanging from time to time, I don't care about these debates nearly as much as you do, clearly.

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So you are claiming that despite saying this nonsense:

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So which is it, are they not making enough because they're liberals who made their own bed and now must lie in it, or are they overpaid?

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That you really did understand all along that the bed I was talking about was regarding cost of living and not their wages?

That you were simply making yourself look like an idiot for the amusement of it?

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Your claim was that because of a higher cost of living, that's somehow evidence that writers and actors are all overpaid.

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False. You clearly do not understand what I am saying. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you aren't reading carefully, rather than lack the intelligence to understand.

The real value (and proper salary) of somebody is what they would get as a result of supply and demand. It has NOTHING to do with the cost of living. If the equilibrium salary was $100K/year, anything above that is being overpaid, anything below that is being underpaid. Period. Regardless if the cost of living was $1/year or $1M/year.

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Similarly, you claimed that because they've decided to strike, that also somehow proves that they were overpaid.

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Again false. The strike itself has no bearing, but the fact that they feel the need establish a union (that threatens to strike on occasion) to get "fair pay" does. The reason unions exist at all (and people join them) is BECAUES they think they don't make enough money otherwise. That, in effect, the equilibrium salary is too low for their tastes. So they need to band together and extort MORE money from their employers. Nobody would join a union if they thought it would LOWER their pay.

Edit: maybe you are talking about the fact that the studios want to replace them with AI. That DOES make the value of human writers lower. So in that aspect, the reason that the studios are taking that stance and are willing to let the writers strike over it, is another indication that they are overpaid.

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You're making massive leaps of logic and expecting people to just accept these as fact.

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Well you clearly didn't understand what my position even was. So first understand it before throwing any of this out.

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You have made it clear your only goal in this thread is to blame everything on the liberal boogeyman, and you'll do any pretzel logic you need to get there. I think we all get you hate liberals (of which I am not one btw), so I see no point in continuing the "debate".

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I've blamed liberals for the things liberals deserve blame for: Making the cost of living in the US too high (and even higher in California). Things like rent control, ridiculous anti-business regulations, high ass taxes, etc.
There is a reason, people are leaving the states of California, New York, Illinois, for states like Texas and Florida despite the average salaries being much higher in those blue states than red. It's because the cost of living in blue states is WAY higher.

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Now comes the part where you claim I'm "running away" out of embarrassment, or call me a coward, or call me low-IQ, in an attempt to keep this going. Straight from the aTm playbook...

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Let's just start with you understanding what my position even is first.

aTmAg said:

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howitzercannon said:

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Running away? It's texags… is it supposed to be taken seriously? Am I supposed to be at my keyboard hitting F5 20 times a second? I'm trying to figure out how this strike is going to affect me and all I see are deflecting insults from those who claim to care.

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I'm talking about guys like Spilner who post what they think are mic drop posts, just to abandon them after getting their argument embarrassingly squashed. (After many hours.. not 1/20th of a second)

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Reading OP it said shows that may be affected are shows like Jimmy Kimmel. Why is that news and why do we care about a strike that isn't going to seem like it affects real shows?

The strike seems to be talking about writers not making money, so then why are they writers if it seems the money is at being a producer according to what's his face TCTTS? I do not have the dudes username memorized.

I only get on here while producing number 2

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It seems to me that the order of things should be to start out as a writer, then move up to producer and whatnot later. Eventually, if you are really good, you end up like Vince Gilligan or something. If you stay a writer, you shouldn't get paid like a producer simply because you have been doing it a long time. You have to be really good and able to negotiate higher risk/bigger reward deals. Ideally, there wouldn't be a union involved and really good writers could take more risk, negotiate themselves a net points deal for a particular script on their own, then then strike it rich when their stuff does well.

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Worth pointing out the moving from Writer to Producer is not a logical career step. There are varying levels within the profession but producer isn't one of them

That's like saying you're going to start out in dentistry and move up to Opthalmology. Sure they are both in the healthcare profession but they really aren't related careers

Tried that, but he just gets quoted into threads over and over again, and you can also still see when he's posting. Until staff implements a legit ignore feature, where we can truly make it is at if certain posters don't exist, I've found the current ignore feature to be somewhat pointless.

Sea Speed said:

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Why don't all you folks with stars just block him if you hate him so much? Yall are over here like bunch of gay cowboys wishing you knew how to quit him.

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I personally don't block anyone. If that ever becomes the case then I would think it's time for me to log off forever

If I could return to the actual thread...

what would be "successful outcomes" for both sides?

nai06 said:

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aTmAg said:

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howitzercannon said:

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Running away? It's texags… is it supposed to be taken seriously? Am I supposed to be at my keyboard hitting F5 20 times a second? I'm trying to figure out how this strike is going to affect me and all I see are deflecting insults from those who claim to care.

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I'm talking about guys like Spilner who post what they think are mic drop posts, just to abandon them after getting their argument embarrassingly squashed. (After many hours.. not 1/20th of a second)

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Reading OP it said shows that may be affected are shows like Jimmy Kimmel. Why is that news and why do we care about a strike that isn't going to seem like it affects real shows?

The strike seems to be talking about writers not making money, so then why are they writers if it seems the money is at being a producer according to what's his face TCTTS? I do not have the dudes username memorized.

I only get on here while producing number 2

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It seems to me that the order of things should be to start out as a writer, then move up to producer and whatnot later. Eventually, if you are really good, you end up like Vince Gilligan or something. If you stay a writer, you shouldn't get paid like a producer simply because you have been doing it a long time. You have to be really good and able to negotiate higher risk/bigger reward deals. Ideally, there wouldn't be a union involved and really good writers could take more risk, negotiate themselves a net points deal for a particular script on their own, then then strike it rich when their stuff does well.

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Worth pointing out the moving from Writer to Producer is not a logical career step. There are varying levels within the profession but producer isn't one of them

That's like saying you're going to start out in dentistry and move up to Opthalmology. Sure they are both in the healthcare profession but they really aren't related careers

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Yet it has happened plenty of times. Vince Gilligan for one, which is example where that statement came from.

The point is, that is you are not comfortable with your pay as writer (or anything), then it is up to YOU to gain more valuable skills and move up the ladder. It's ridiculous, selfish, ignorant, etc. to expect employers to overpay you as if you had more valuable skills than you do.

TCTTS said:

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Per usual, he has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.

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So explain to me where my economics is wrong. I'll wait. Use your "superior intellect to show me the error of my ways."

Quad Dog said:

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Or you could learn to not play chess against a pigeon.

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Show where my argument is wrong then? Rather than anonymously star posts while being afraid of entering the discussion.