Writers Guild strike 2023

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Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

I'm hoping the writers get some more job stability out of this.

The lack of stability does make the film and media industry extremely difficult.

Do the big media companies offer good perks? Is this just an issue with smaller less well funded groups being able to afford what the union is asking for?
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I think it breaks down that streamers really really don't want to reveal their exact numbers of subscribers vs watches to investors.
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The Tony Awards for next month will be on TV but no idea what it will look like yet.

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As has been previously reported, the Writers Guilds of America East and West (WGA) will not negotiate an interim agreement or a waiver for the Tony Awards.

However, Tony Awards Productions (a joint venture of the Broadway League and the American Theatre Wing) has communicated with us that they are altering this year's show to conform with specific requests from the WGA, and therefore the WGA will not be picketing the show.

Responsibility for having to make changes to the format of the 2023 Tony Awards rests squarely on the shoulders of Paramount/CBS and their allies. They continue to refuse to negotiate a fair contract for the writers represented by the WGA.

As they have stood by us, we stand with our fellow workers on Broadway who are impacted by our strike.


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I have to admit content feels plenty stockpiled
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Not unique to this situation- I think statistics and data are often misused by all parties to show a narrative. I tend to roll my eyes.

But it's laughable to compare the total revenues of diversified companies like Apple and Amazon against the costs of their writer pools as evidence of some tech company machismo.
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Of course, part of this whole ordeal is playing games and painting narratives, and I'd like to see the profits on this chart instead. But none of that changes the fact that Apple and Amazon are still the ones budging the *least* on all of this, when it's clear that, no matter how you slice it, they have more money to play with than God.
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I still don't think that tells the full story. Just because Apple is making overall profits doesn't mean that their streaming business is in the black. Ultimately, they won't keep streaming if they're losing money on that service.

Not taking the side of Apple - they're probably making money. But they're also roughly estimated to have 1/10th of the subscriber base of the likes of Netflix and Amazon and their writer costs account for 1/5 and 1/2 of those companies respectively.
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Clearly not less than a FRACTION of a penny on the dollar. 91/100,000 is a fraction. I just don't know what to believe anymore.
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If they capped actor pay at say 7.5 million per movie or 250k per TV episode would that allow the writers to be paid what they want?
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Any number is a fraction if you try hard enough.
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Quad Dog said:

Any number is a fraction if you try hard enough.
Reminds me of a story from my wife's work where all reports had to be presented in pie charts.

Problem came when they need to show year over year growth.
Their heads exploded when they figured out that you couldn't show more than 100% on a pie chart.
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Lionsgate may be a more pure example compared to Apple, Amazon etc.
It doesn't take much research to understand these studios' "profits" are lumpy at best. They are always rolling over money into the next project. Plus they take on lots of debt to fund operations (and expansion), which is now more expensive than has been in the last 15 years or so.

https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/0000929351/000092935123000005/lgfa-20221231.htm
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HollywoodBQ said:

Quad Dog said:

Any number is a fraction if you try hard enough.
Reminds me of a story from my wife's work where all reports had to be presented in pie charts.

Problem came when they need to show year over year growth.
Their heads exploded when they figured out that you couldn't show more than 100% on a pie chart.
Use concentric circles? Changes in percentage can be represented by differing the area within each ring. Basically like a dart board but the spokes will be jagged.
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Just a random question, but what's really the point of the picket line in 2023? Just a holdover from times gone by? Seems like there are a million better ways to use your time.
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They're literally stopping trucks going through certain studio gates, and have shut down multiple productions. Just by picketing. Not to mention, a few studio execs have stupidly complained about the noise/honking outside their offices, which has only made the picket lines and traffic amp up the noise. Never mind the awareness being raised all over LA, and the national news coverage the picket lines are receiving.
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One positive thing I can say about the picketers in my neighborhood is that at least they clean up their own trash.

I just drove by the Disney Studio Lot and no trash left behind.

There's still horn honking all day long but I can deal with that. It's not as bad as a regular day in Bangalore.
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I still don't think that tells the full story. Just because Apple is making overall profits doesn't mean that their streaming business is in the black. Ultimately, they won't keep streaming if they're losing money on that service.

Not taking the side of Apple - they're probably making money. But they're also roughly estimated to have 1/10th of the subscriber base of the likes of Netflix and Amazon and their writer costs account for 1/5 and 1/2 of those companies respectively.


Apple and Amazon are also harder to factor because they are willing to take a loss on their services because it sells other products.
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Quad Dog said:

I think it breaks down that streamers really really don't want to reveal their exact numbers of subscribers vs watches to investors.
that's a very good point. Probably would put a lot of fear and doubt in investors if there's was a big gap between paid subscribers and how many actually consistently watch their programming….
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Other than an update about Ai, internally I haven't heard squat from my DGA reps. I am guessing they are trying hard to cut a deal and leave the writers on the picket line like 2007.
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That's the impression I'm getting as well, but who knows.
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It seems like the AMPTP is so large and clunky that the additional strike could make this an even longer work stoppage.

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legitimately curious

what sort of leverage do the writers have in this strike against normal public opinion/apathy?

is there some important franchise getting delayed in the short term that gives this teeth?

is this going to mess with things that matter like dune?
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It likely won't affect the 2023 movie slate much, seeing as the edits of most 2023 movies are either locked or close to being locked, with only effects and sound and other non-editing post production left. The first hit will be scripted broadcast series in the fall, which traditionally start in September. ABC. CBS. FOX. NBC. Don't expect any more scripted content on those channels for the rest of the year. It'll then start to get dicey for cable/streaming series soon after. Some stuff will manage to be completed and released in the third quarter, but not a ton, seeing as so many productions have been shut down, and will continue to be shut down. In other words, the public won't feel anything this summer, but fall TV could get be pretty bleak.

Honestly, though, all that really matters is how much money the studios - and the local economy - continue to lose. And I think that's probably all going to come to a head by the end of the summer, before the public really starts to notice, especially if SAG strikes as well. That said, some people think the strike could last until October, but I personally think the governor and other big wig intermediaries will step in before then.
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From tonight's Matt Belloni newsletter...

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Strike Update: Will the Actors Prompt a Tri-Guild Walk-Out?

With most attention focused on the writers' strike and directors' negotiations, I'm looking at the upcoming SAG-AFTRA negotiations, which start June 7, and at the June 30 contract expiration. My sources close to the situation are outlining a thicket of key issues.

On basic wages, the actors union will likely want increases that address inflation, like the DGA but unlike the WGA's somewhat tamer proposal (that was nonetheless rejected by the studios and streamers). On streamingresiduals, actors haven't given up on transparency and a success metric, an implicit rejection of the DGA's concession on this issue and a very sticky wicket for data-stingy streamers. The actors are also concerned about their pension and health plans, which are funded by employer contributions based on actors' session fees and residuals. The problem is that only the first couple hundred thousand dollars a year in earnings count for this purpose, with no contributions levied on earnings above that amount, a ceiling that hasn't budged in decades. That starves the plan of full-throated contributions based on the union's higher earnersmoney that might have avoided the debacle from several years ago when the plan pushed many seniors onto Medicare.

Then there's generative A.I., which poses an even more imminent threat to actors. A usable A.I. script is probably some years out, but A.I. is turbocharging audio and video deepfake technology. The studio counter to the WGA's proposal for A.I. restrictions was annual meetings, which is absurd on its face: the technology is changing so quickly that monthly meetings and mid-course contract revisions are going to be necessary. As I told KCRW on Thursday, in response to a comment by Justine Bateman,"If you squeeze the soul out of entertainment and turn it into something that is simply generated by the ghost in the machine, there is something lost… in addition to the economic oppression that can result."

The union wants guardrails on self-tape auditions, which puts three distinct technologies in playstreaming, A.I., and remote work. Can the companies and SAG-AFTRA reach a deal on all this, and more, in their three week window? I doubt it, and so do my sources. I expect a high turnout on the current strike authorization vote (where balloting strategically closes just two days before talks start) and likely authorization north of 85 percent.

Several days ago, I wrote that an actors' strike was possible, but I now believe that one is likely. And if the directors don't achieve a deal in the next several weekswhich would probably have to include a favored nations reopener, allowing the DGA to gain the benefit of any better terms achieved by either of the other two guildsthen we might just see directors walk out as well. A tri-guild Hollywood walkout? It's never happened before, but this time it just might.
 
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