Writers Guild strike 2023

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I once saw that Harrison Ford got paid $20 million for 40 days of actual work. It was for some romance story. Not some big time action, drama, or mystery. I don't remember the name of it, but it was definitely not one of his top 10, maybe not even top 20. However, he was paid $500k a day. That is more than these CEO's. Which is a more stressful, complex, a lot more risky than just some romance story for the ladies to eat up. That is more than LeBron, and he is expected to work his ass off during the offseason and put his body at risk. It is a year round job. 40 freaking days. If the movie bombs, Ford still gets paid his $20 million. Does he really care if the studio is successful in a whole. Does he really care that everyone that works for these studios get paid more.

I don't fault him trying to get paid as much as he should. He should. However, don't say CEO pay is the problem, when the salaries of the big stars also leave less money for the crew, writers, lesser known actors. Just think how much more the crew and writers could be paid if he only asked for $19 million, and say use the other $1 million for others lesser than him.

Do big time actors and directors go out of their way to reward the crew and writers? Like how a pro QB or running back would buy all of their O-Line Rolex watches. Or take them all out for a big expensive dinner or throw a big party for them at their mansion? Or do they just expect all that to be paid by the studio? Is it truly a caste system, not like a team trying to reach the same goal?



I paid Bruce Willis $1.2 million per day.

There are some actors who do cool gifts but for the most part is is a bottle of booze or something like that. Keanu Reeves and Adam Sandler are pretty notorious for that but it's not like crafty labor is driving off in free cars from those shows.





An all-time great TexAgs flex.

In one simple sentence.

Love it.
Kind of depends on whether it was a recent film or not. Willis did 25 movies in the last four years, sadly.
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tysker said:

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For the size of some of these companies these salaries don't seem that crazy.

Why is no one going after the actors making a 30-100 million for a movie?


Wages and compensation are not the same thing. Bob Iger's salary is about $1 million and Reed Hastings makes even less. And we know this because of requirements of executive compensation disclosures. All the reporting of writers, actors, and producers compensation is not subject to audit or accountability standards.


Studios can 100% pay the average actor more. Nobody is arguing that, and streaming residuals are beyond a joke. This is about the most one-sided I've seen the public on a union-worker battle.
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Didn't Jack Nickelson get some ridiculous amount for half a day of work on "A Few Good Men?". I feel like he got a couple million or something like that.
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Definitely worth it though
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Yep, he got banked.

https://www.thedigitalfix.com/jack-nicholson/paid-ridiculous-amount-a-few-good-men#:~:text=But%20in%20order%20to%20make,work%20on%20the%20%2790s%20movie
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Bruce Almighty said:

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Is there another industry where everyone gets together multiple times a year to tell each other how great they are? Like is there a plumber's award show where everyone tells Raul how amazing he is at sweating copper pipes, and then Raul gets up and tells everyone they need to stop destroying the rainforests?
LOL

there are teachers awards events

i think the advertisers have some annual awards program- at least they did on "Mad Men" back in the 1960s

Peabody awards for journalists and the White House Correspondents dinner

thread of all that - is leftists getting together to congratulate each other on how amazing they are.
Note to self, the Heisman trophy award and all other sports award ceremonies are nothing but leftist crap.


Aggies in the "others receiving votes"? Pure woke cancel culture.
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I watched some of Fran Drescher railing against big business and on the side of the "little guy"

somehow I missed seeing Fran Drescher protesting when Biden threw thousands of oil and gas workers out of their jobs back in 2021...
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LMCane said:

I watched some of Fran Drescher railing against big business and on the side of the "little guy"

somehow I missed seeing Fran Drescher protesting when Biden threw thousands of oil and gas workers out of their jobs back in 2021...
It's all relative. When you're comparatively the little guy in a fight, you play up the underdog role. When you're not the little guy, you ignore the little guy or try to frame the fight differently.
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LMCane said:

I watched some of Fran Drescher railing against big business and on the side of the "little guy"

somehow I missed seeing Fran Drescher protesting when Biden threw thousands of oil and gas workers out of their jobs back in 2021...
I don't think she works in oil and gas.
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LMCane said:

I watched some of Fran Drescher railing against big business and on the side of the "little guy"

somehow I missed seeing Fran Drescher protesting when Biden threw thousands of oil and gas workers out of their jobs back in 2021...
That would be really weird. She doesn't work in that industry.
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LMCane said:

I watched some of Fran Drescher railing against big business and on the side of the "little guy"

somehow I missed seeing Fran Drescher protesting when Biden threw thousands of oil and gas workers out of their jobs back in 2021...
So you agree, all the workers of the world must unite against capital?
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The Nanny for Oil & Gas Workers Association!
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Well, Fran is fighting for the rights of actors that are multi multi millionaires also. How many of the regular oil and gas industry employees, not executives, are able to make $500,000 a day?

I am sure there were a lot of actors and writers that agreed with or laughed when the phrase "They can learn to code" started. Aren't the actors and writers supposed to be smarter than middle America? They should be able to learn how to code a lot faster. They should quit Hollywood and embrace AI by getting directly involved in working with AI. Are they really as smart as they say they are?
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What do ya'll think about what Barry Diller said about studio execs and top paid actors should all take a 25% cut. I don't know the exact amount but if the execs have to take a pay cut, then the top actors should also.

He said that the top 10 top actors get paid more than the top 10 studio execs.

Would any of the lesser earning actors agree to that? Probably not because everyone of them dream about being the next big star. People don't attack those top actors because they have fans. The only CEO in all industries that have any type of a fan base is Elon. He definitely has his fair share of haters also. Most people would whether be a famous actor than a big time CEO.
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The Unforgiven said:

What do ya'll think about what Barry Diller said about studio execs and top paid actors should all take a 25% cut. I don't know the exact amount but if the execs have to take a pay cut, then the top actors should also.

He said that the top 10 top actors get paid more than the top 10 studio execs.

Would any of the lesser earning actors agree to that? Probably not because everyone of them dream about being the next big star. People don't attack those top actors because they have fans. The only CEO in all industries that have any type of a fan base is Elon. He definitely has his fair share of haters also. Most people would whether be a famous actor than a big time CEO.
Everyone wants to make a lot of money, I don't think that's exclusive to actors.



But I will also bet most of SAG-AFTRA would really just like to make a living and maybe a little nest egg for their work.

Look at it this way. To qualify for SAG-AFTRA health insurance, you must make at least 26K a year from acting. Only 13% of the current membership qualifies for that.


We aren't talking about fancy cars or multimillion dollar homes.


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this thread is 22 pages of the wish being father to the thought
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I totally understand that most of the members of SAG don't make millions. However, why doesn't anyone go after the pay for top actors. You totally missed that part. Let's say Robert Downey Jr reprises Iron Man for Iron Man 4. Instead of getting paid $50 million, why not only take $40 or $45 million to pay those on the film that are not able to make a "living wage" more.

Why only attack the studios? Those top actors are hurting their fellow union members. If the lesser paid actors don't get pissed at George Clooney being able to buy another mansion in another country, why do they get pissed when Bob Igor does the same thing? I am sure they gush how they had to say a one word response to RDJ in a film.

It is interesting that a union has such a large pay gap amongst their members. And those at the top do harm to the lower paid ones.

I am not saying the studios are right. They are wrong on some issues also. The actors are right on some issues. However, no one wants to put any blame on the top actors as one part of the problem.
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LMCane said:

I watched some of Fran Drescher railing against big business and on the side of the "little guy"

somehow I missed seeing Fran Drescher protesting when Biden threw thousands of oil and gas workers out of their jobs back in 2021...

Do you want the oil and gas workers to form a union and Fran Drescher to be the head of that union?
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uujm said:

The Unforgiven said:

I once saw that Harrison Ford got paid $20 million for 40 days of actual work. It was for some romance story. Not some big time action, drama, or mystery. I don't remember the name of it, but it was definitely not one of his top 10, maybe not even top 20. However, he was paid $500k a day. That is more than these CEO's. Which is a more stressful, complex, a lot more risky than just some romance story for the ladies to eat up. That is more than LeBron, and he is expected to work his ass off during the offseason and put his body at risk. It is a year round job. 40 freaking days. If the movie bombs, Ford still gets paid his $20 million. Does he really care if the studio is successful in a whole. Does he really care that everyone that works for these studios get paid more.

I don't fault him trying to get paid as much as he should. He should. However, don't say CEO pay is the problem, when the salaries of the big stars also leave less money for the crew, writers, lesser known actors. Just think how much more the crew and writers could be paid if he only asked for $19 million, and say use the other $1 million for others lesser than him.

Do big time actors and directors go out of their way to reward the crew and writers? Like how a pro QB or running back would buy all of their O-Line Rolex watches. Or take them all out for a big expensive dinner or throw a big party for them at their mansion? Or do they just expect all that to be paid by the studio? Is it truly a caste system, not like a team trying to reach the same goal?



I paid Bruce Willis $1.2 million per day.

There are some actors who do cool gifts but for the most part is is a bottle of booze or something like that. Keanu Reeves and Adam Sandler are pretty notorious for that but it's not like crafty labor is driving off in free cars from those shows.





I understand if you can't speak to it, but I'm curious if you saw his cognitive issues, recognized them for what they were (vs just not giving a crap or substance abuse) and how tough that was to handle.
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The Unforgiven said:

I totally understand that most of the members of SAG don't make millions. However, why doesn't anyone go after the pay for top actors. You totally missed that part. Let's say Robert Downey Jr reprises Iron Man for Iron Man 4. Instead of getting paid $50 million, why not only take $40 or $45 million to pay those on the film that are not able to make a "living wage" more.

Why only attack the studios? Those top actors are hurting their fellow union members. If the lesser paid actors don't get pissed at George Clooney being able to buy another mansion in another country, why do they get pissed when Bob Igor does the same thing? I am sure they gush how they had to say a one word response to RDJ in a film.

It is interesting that a union has such a large pay gap amongst their members. And those at the top do harm to the lower paid ones.

I am not saying the studios are right. They are wrong on some issues also. The actors are right on some issues. However, no one wants to put any blame on the top actors as one part of the problem.


I feel like this could be said about a lot of industries.
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I was just suggesting something similar in a chat with my wife this weekend.

Why don't the SAG and writers guild offer a framework that has wage floors and caps in exchange for big cuts in executive pay as well.

Kind of like how the NFL players union negotiated minimum contract rates, and that + the salary caps effectively caps how much the star players can make.

There's no reason the Netflix CEO's should make $50m each, and there's no reason Tom Cruise should make $100m+ for top gun maverick. Nobody needs that much money, but the production crews, writers, and younger actors desperately need more money to make rent.
Thanks and gig'em
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Aggie_Journalist said:

I was just suggesting something similar in a chat with my wife this weekend.

Why don't the SAG and writers guild offer a framework that has wage floors and caps in exchange for big cuts in executive pay as well.

Kind of like how the NFL players union negotiated minimum contract rates, and that + the salary caps effectively caps how much the star players can make.

There's no reason the Netflix CEO's should make $50m each, and there's no reason Tom Cruise should make $100m+ for top gun maverick. Nobody needs that much money, but the production crews, writers, and younger actors desperately need more money to make rent.

To be fair, Cruise often takes nothing upfront in exchange for a gross cut. That allows films to be made cheaper and gives him a higher income ceiling on the back end. He also produces a bunch his own stuff.
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Seems like some hybrid of youtube/patreon could be the next thing for media. Instead of subscribing to channels or streaming services, you choose your individual shows and movies to buy or rent or whatever. Creators have "channels" like on youtube where they can create their shows and charge whatever they want for access.

If "writers" and creators are truly underpaid and are truly worth way more, they should be able to come together and create great shows that outcompete the big boys.
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Doesn't Cruise also put a lot of his own money in getting the Mission Impossible movies and Top Gun Maverick movie made? If that is the case, he is more than just the lead actor in these movies. He actually has a lot more skin in the game and a lot more to lose.
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The Unforgiven said:

Doesn't Cruise also put a lot of his own money in getting the Mission Impossible movies and Top Gun Maverick movie made? If that is the case, he is more than just the lead actor in these movies. He actually has a lot more skin in the game and a lot more to lose.
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Texaggie7nine said:

The Unforgiven said:

Doesn't Cruise also put a lot of his own money in getting the Mission Impossible movies and Top Gun Maverick movie made? If that is the case, he is more than just the lead actor in these movies. He actually has a lot more skin in the game and a lot more to lose.


He hasn't aged at all since Seinfeld!
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This applies to everything, not just film business. Its very rare that opportunities will just be handed to you. You have to create them through hard work and dedication.
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The Unforgiven said:

I totally understand that most of the members of SAG don't make millions. However, why doesn't anyone go after the pay for top actors. You totally missed that part. Let's say Robert Downey Jr reprises Iron Man for Iron Man 4. Instead of getting paid $50 million, why not only take $40 or $45 million to pay those on the film that are not able to make a "living wage" more.

Why only attack the studios? Those top actors are hurting their fellow union members. If the lesser paid actors don't get pissed at George Clooney being able to buy another mansion in another country, why do they get pissed when Bob Igor does the same thing? I am sure they gush how they had to say a one word response to RDJ in a film.

It is interesting that a union has such a large pay gap amongst their members. And those at the top do harm to the lower paid ones.

I am not saying the studios are right. They are wrong on some issues also. The actors are right on some issues. However, no one wants to put any blame on the top actors as one part of the problem.


So let's say Robert Downey Junior takes a 10 million pay cut. How much of that do you think will actually end up in the pockets of other actors in the film or future films? I'd bet no where near 10 million makes it's way to others.
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Exactly. Mainly because of these collective bargaining agreements
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This is getting so petty…

 
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