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C@LAg said:

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TCTTS said:

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And yet the AMPTP is more than welcome to release their own version. It's telling that they haven't yet.

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not really.

it is obvious they are willing to sit on the sidelines for a few more months.

all responses to date have been broad sweeping comments

they would gain nothing by replying to this at this time.

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They had five days to beat SAG to the punch and attempt to set the narrative with their own version. They chose not to.

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So we gonna have an Emmys?

Apparently the cutoff is this week to fully be able to prep for a mid-September show (its traditional air date). A little over a month-and-a-half. So apply that to whenever the strike ends, which I don't think happens before Labor Day.

I was mystified by this, too, but then I realized: there’s no plan. The AMPTP is a loose consortium of companies with misaligned business interests, and the people in the room aren’t even empowered to make a deal. They’re all just hoping someone else gets them out of this mess. https://t.co/EtzaaWYFzE

— Lila Byock (@LByock) July 18, 2023

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TCTTS said:

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I could of course end up being completely wrong, but I'm becoming less and less convinced the studios are going to be able to hold out for months, if only because their fall movie slates are in far more jeopardy than they ever considered, and directors are pressuring them left and right to delay movies that depend heavily on actor promotion. Take the Zendaya-starring Challengers, for instance, that's scheduled for mid-September. Zendaya was paid $10M for that movie and there's just no way Amazon releases it without her massive social media sway and promotion. That's partly *why* they paid her what they did. I also know for a fact that Warner Bros is silently freaking out about Dune: Part Two in that regard. The last thing they want to do is release it without their insane young cast being able to help market it. Apply that to a ton of other movies this fall, and the studios are in for a world of hurt. Considering a week ago they were relatively convinced the actors weren't going to strike at all, and I truly do think that behind the scenes the studios were caught off guard and are now scrambling. Never mind how this is about to affect summer 2024. Another month of this and most summer 2024 movies are going to be forced to delay as well.

Granted, there's no way any of this gets resolved before Labor Day, but, knock on wood, the idea of this thing lasting until November or so is seemingly less and less likely, unless the studios really are hell bent on blowing the whole thing up…

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with all of Hollwyood claiming poverty-

in reality how do all these "SAG Actors" pay their rent in Los Angeles?

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I have a cousin that moved to LA to try to get into the biz several years back. He lived in a small house with about 10 other dudes. All were working service jobs and going to tryouts for bit roles in their spare time. I can't remember if it was this thread or another, but the stat that only 13% of SAG actually makes the $26k to qualify for the guild's health insurance was pretty telling about the financial state of the actors. Basically, most of these people have other jobs that act as their main source of income.

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How many hours are the 87% actually working annually? How many work less than 100 hours and simply renew their union dues?

What is the minimum amount of work annually required to join SAG?

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I produced a SAG project for a friend back in 2017 and an actor did not show up. I stood in for him and had one line. I have been eligible to join ever since and just have to pay $3000 initiation fee.

On the other hand it took me 5 years of working production to join The Directors Guild. The initiation Fee on that was $13K.

The tough reality is 99% of people aren't going to make a living as an actor. Even when the minimum fee on the SAG basic agreement is $1082 for the first 8 hours.

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So the 87% number is non-sense.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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So we gonna have an Emmys?

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I'm an academy member and there isn't anything solid.

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uujm said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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So we gonna have an Emmys?

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I'm an academy member and there isn't anything solid.

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Sorry, I couldn't resist. Just don't recognize the username, but love that the strike brought in this extra voice from "inside the ropes." That Bruce Willis drop was great.

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He's been posting on this board for years.

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Guess I haven't paid enough attention to that! Or maybe now it became more evident of the association to entertainment.

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I know ONE couple where the wife works and the husband is an actor, where the dynamic works perfectly, and the saving grace seems to be their kid who he obviously watches when she's at work. That, and he actually pulls his weight, for the most part, acting-wise, as he books a ton of commercials (you've seen him in a bunch). But because he still hasn't yet booked a reoccurring role on a show, he still doesn't feel like he's "made it."

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Reminds me, I had one of the parents on my kids softball team who had a recurring role on General Hospital where he appeared in 293 episodes. I just knew him as the kid's dad and had no idea he was on TV.

Ha, nice, I vaguely recognize that guy.

I'm pretty sure it was Days of Our Lives, not General Hospital. Just for whatever it's worth.

Good catch. It was Days.

Chipotlemonger said:

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Chipotlemonger said:

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uujm said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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So we gonna have an Emmys?

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I'm an academy member and there isn't anything solid.

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Sorry, I couldn't resist. Just don't recognize the username, but love that the strike brought in this extra voice from "inside the ropes." That Bruce Willis drop was great.

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He's been posting on this board for years.

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Guess I haven't paid enough attention to that! Or maybe now it became more evident of the association to entertainment.

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He had a different username in the past.

I found this commentary pretty interesting. Definitely some numbers and facts that SAG and WAG definitely aren't going to tweet out on what they are asking for.

From my understanding their demands are 48 pages long. That is more than the 3 main things we keep hearing about. Mandatory lunch break penalties

I still don't think either side is going to get the overall public behind either one of them. Times have changed a lot, and there are so many more options since the last time there was a strike in Hollywood. I just think both sides are out of touch with the average American. I wonder if there has been any polling done yet. I could be wrong, but i think most people just don't care. They have their own problems to deal with, and those problems are worse than the last time there was a strike in Hollywood.

The SAG, WAG, and studios don't really care about their customers. I must say i am a little biased because I am going to Comic Con this week. Because of this strike it loses some of its thunder. The cost for all the fans that are going to it is expensive. Tickets are bought in November, and non refundable and you cannot sell them. If you get a hotel through the lottery in April, those reservations were non-refundable after 6/1. I am sure it may not work, but if they truly cared about their fans and customers (like Cruise is), both sides should have done a truce for this event. Just 4 days. Wishful thinking.

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I would be happy if this strike lasted 50 years.

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Self-serving but I plan on listing my house for sale next month so I need people working.

This is one of the few times I've agreed with a stance taken by actors. The current contracts were not designed or intended for streaming services. IMO a lot of people have been screwed.

Good Article from Hollywood about what's going on...

the United States has been a capitalist society for 250 years.

actors are just another type of worker- so if they don't like what's happening with management-

why don't they go, start their own companies, and compete with the studios?

or start up their own businesses on "their" business model and sell to streaming networks?

1. either their business model sucks and that's why the studios refuse to do it
2. they don't believe they can succeed on their own

in all American history- workers who are underpaid go elsewhere and do other things, forcing the former employers to raise salaries if they want to hire workers.

this is ECON 101 which I am sure is like reading Arabic for the vast majority of college / high school dropouts

Somebody (who knows) help me understand. When the UAW strikes, it is against Ford, or GM, or another specific car maker. Why do the studios get to act as a single entity instead of each having to negotiate with the unions?

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aTmAg said:

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I would be happy if this strike lasted 50 years.

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Self-serving but I plan on listing my house for sale next month so I need people working.

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You getting out of that hell hole?

taxpreparer said:

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Somebody (who knows) help me understand. When the UAW strikes, it is against Ford, or GM, or another specific car maker. Why do the studios get to act as a single entity instead of each having to negotiate with the unions?

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They are all in the studio union.

Duh.

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taxpreparer said:

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Somebody (who knows) help me understand. When the UAW strikes, it is against Ford, or GM, or another specific car maker. Why do the studios get to act as a single entity instead of each having to negotiate with the unions?

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They are all in the studio union.

Duh.

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Well, obviously, duh. Why isn't there a car manufacturer's union?

Why can the studios have a union or association that other industries cannot?

I know the CA folks get a ton of coverage, but we've got a good number of friends and neighbors who work in the industry out here in GA and they're really starting to feel the pain. Neighbor is a key grip and they've burned through a good chunk of savings over the past couple months. To the point where family and friends are chipping in to help them get school supplies purchased. (He's found temporary employment but it's nothing compared to what he was bringing in when the projects were all shooting.)

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I could of course end up being completely wrong, but I'm becoming less and less convinced the studios are going to be able to hold out for months, if only because their fall movie slates are in far more jeopardy than they ever considered, and directors are pressuring them left and right to delay movies that depend heavily on actor promotion. Take the Zendaya-starring Challengers, for instance, that's scheduled for mid-September. Zendaya was paid $10M for that movie and there's just no way Amazon releases it without her massive social media sway and promotion. That's partly *why* they paid her what they did. I also know for a fact that Warner Bros is silently freaking out about Dune: Part Two in that regard. The last thing they want to do is release it without their insanely popular young cast being able to help market it. Apply that to a ton of other movies this fall, and the studios are in for a world of hurt. Considering a week ago they were relatively convinced the actors weren't going to strike at all, and I truly do think that behind the scenes the studios were caught off guard and are now scrambling. Never mind how this is about to affect summer 2024. Another month of this and most summer 2024 movies are going to be forced to delay as well.

Granted, there's no way any of this gets resolved before Labor Day, but, knock on wood, the idea of this thing lasting until November or so is seemingly less and less likely, unless the studios really are hell bent on blowing the whole thing up…

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Release dates for #DunePartTwo, #ColorPurple and #Aquaman2 could be up in the air due to the strikes.https://t.co/V78xuxzgEK pic.twitter.com/QL2wF3xKAp

— Variety (@Variety) July 21, 2023

Union strikes really are a nasty tactic that have a negative affect on the people they represent. We had a site go on strike a couple of years ago, 90% of the workforce wanted to keep working to support their families but had no choice due to being represented. A lot of similar circumstances to your key grip friend. We had people go from making 200k to working at tractor supply to make ends meet.