Writers Guild strike 2023

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In reply to Legal Custodian • 4:03p, 8/25/23
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I've worked with so many of these people, and yes, a number of them are incredibly smart and considered. However, a lot of them straight up aren't, and have gotten by either on charisma or by having a dominating personality. But they're also often blowhards who need their voices to be heard and to feel like they matter, when all they really do is make sh*t worse.

The other issue is that unlike most industries, it's obviously a massive intersection of art and commerce. There are great business minds who are incapable of understanding the "magic" of storytelling, while there are great story tellers who couldn't navigate the business side if their lives depended on it. And sometimes it's really, really hard to get both of those sides to gel.
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In reply to TCTTS • 4:17p, 8/25/23
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I've worked with so many of these people, and yes, a number of them are incredibly smart and considered. However, a lot of them just straight up aren't, but have gotten by on either charisma or by having a dominating personality Kyle. But they're also often blowhards who need their voices to be heard and to feel like they matter, when all they really do is make sh*t worse.

The other issue is that unlike most industries, it's an obviously a massive intersecting of art and commerce. There are great business minds who are incapable of understanding the "magic" of storytelling, while there are great story tellers who couldn't navigate the business side if their lives depended on it. And sometimes it's really, really hard to get both of those sides to gel.
Working in a tangential industry that's heavily dependent on creativity, I have seen the exact same thing play out in numerous instances. There are few things more deflating in a creative environment than having an executive who has no experience and no aptitude come in and do something like completely changing something in a way that makes things worse or adds work, or making a statement that undermines professionals because of a lack of understanding of what those people do.

And of course, you also run into the opposite plenty where someone who is creative is put in charge with no understanding of how to do things from a business or management perspective and it's equally disastrous.
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In reply to bluefire579 • 4:22p, 8/25/23
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Exactly, and well said. Sorry you can relate.
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In reply to TCTTS • 4:31p, 8/25/23
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So take that comment as not that they don't know what they're doing in negotiations, but the suits don't have an intimate knowledge of the issues that concerns the writers while they of course do?

That makes sense, I just hate hyperbolic statements that don't capture what they're actually trying to say
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4:42p, 8/25/23
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Hyperbole? From Hollywood? Blasphemy!

I think their biggest problem is that they have different business models and they just don't all agree on terms. But they all agree on one thing - which is if they try to go it alone they'll get roasted.
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In reply to bluefire579 • 5:33p, 8/25/23
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TCTTS said:
I've worked with so many of these people, and yes, a number of them are incredibly smart and considered. However, a lot of them just straight up aren't, but have gotten by on either charisma or by having a dominating personality Kyle. But they're also often blowhards who need their voices to be heard and to feel like they matter, when all they really do is make sh*t worse.

The other issue is that unlike most industries, it's an obviously a massive intersecting of art and commerce. There are great business minds who are incapable of understanding the "magic" of storytelling, while there are great story tellers who couldn't navigate the business side if their lives depended on it. And sometimes it's really, really hard to get both of those sides to gel.
Working in a tangential industry that's heavily dependent on creativity, I have seen the exact same thing play out in numerous instances. There are few things more deflating in a creative environment than having an executive who has no experience and no aptitude come in and do something like completely changing something in a way that makes things worse or adds work, or making a statement that undermines professionals because of a lack of understanding of what those people do.

And of course, you also run into the opposite plenty where someone who is creative is put in charge with no understanding of how to do things from a business or management perspective and it's equally disastrous.


You don't have to work in a creative industry to see this happening. I work in about as far of an industry as you can get from Hollywood. We have a new CTO who comes entirely from an accounting background and really knows nothing about IT. She actually prides herself on not understanding IT, and makes jokes about how bad she is with computers (imagine if your CFO made jokes about how bad they are at math). Anyways, she sees no value in individual contribution. Her view is that there's no difference between a guy overseas you can pay $10 an hour vs a guy in the US making $100K. She has made comments like, "They are so cheap we can just hire 10 of them to get the same work as one person here." She clearly has no concept of the idea that you can't multiple ****ty work and get quality.

A lot of execs aren't necessarily idiots, but they are very short sighted. They only care about the next quarters profit. They aren't thinking about things 5 or 10 years from now. And really, there often incentive for them to. They sell their stock now and cash in. When their decisions really hit, they're often long gone.
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In reply to bluefire579 • 6:30p, 8/25/23
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bluefire579 said:
TCTTS said:
I've worked with so many of these people, and yes, a number of them are incredibly smart and considered. However, a lot of them just straight up aren't, but have gotten by on either charisma or by having a dominating personality Kyle. But they're also often blowhards who need their voices to be heard and to feel like they matter, when all they really do is make sh*t worse.

The other issue is that unlike most industries, it's an obviously a massive intersecting of art and commerce. There are great business minds who are incapable of understanding the "magic" of storytelling, while there are great story tellers who couldn't navigate the business side if their lives depended on it. And sometimes it's really, really hard to get both of those sides to gel.
Working in a tangential industry that's heavily dependent on creativity, I have seen the exact same thing play out in numerous instances. There are few things more deflating in a creative environment than having an executive who has no experience and no aptitude come in and do something like completely changing something in a way that makes things worse or adds work, or making a statement that undermines professionals because of a lack of understanding of what those people do.

And of course, you also run into the opposite plenty where someone who is creative is put in charge with no understanding of how to do things from a business or management perspective and it's equally disastrous.


Co-signing with both of you here. Bolded that section because sometimes (me, waving frustratedly in the corner) you wind up having someone who used to be on the creative side but who crossed over to the business side and is now management. It's absolutely gut-punching to be talking to someone on the creative side and think (or actually come out and say it, which I only sometimes regret) "hey, creative. I get it. I understand what you're saying AND I agree with you. But this is a lot of money we're talking about." I've been fortunate enough to conjure up some solutions that actually worked for everyone before, but unfortunately that's rare and probably getting rarer.

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12:21p, 8/26/23
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2:11p, 8/29/23
Studios holding strong

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2:14p, 8/29/23
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this strike is still going on?? i guess i lost interest
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3:31a, 8/30/23
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Was hoping for a Betsy Kettleman pic.
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7:36a, 8/30/23
It's almost worse than the devastation facing those in Europe and Japan in 1945...

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In reply to TCTTS • 8:55a, 8/30/23
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Skinny Pete! That's church, yo!
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In reply to LMCane • 11:35a, 8/30/23
"We Striking"

They need a writer alright.
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In reply to maroon barchetta • 11:47a, 8/30/23
Claude!
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In reply to LMCane • 12:22p, 8/30/23
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It's almost worse than the devastation facing those in Europe and Japan in 1945...

Is the strike logo on those placards meant to evoke John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever?
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In reply to Claude! • 12:25p, 8/30/23
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It looks like the Johnny walker logo.
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In reply to Wildmen06 • 7:34p, 8/30/23
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this strike is still going on?? i guess i lost interest
No joke. I'd be willing to bet the majority of Americans have no idea this is even a thing.
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7:37p, 8/30/23
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Strike First Strike Hard

No mercy sir
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In reply to TCTTS • 9:21p, 8/30/23
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Because the entire narrative is being controlled by the unions. I would be shocked if it wasn't that high.
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In reply to Legal Custodian • 9:36p, 8/30/23
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No one is keeping the studios from being just as vocal, or from attempting to "control the narrative" however they see fit. If anything, they have far more money and far more power.

Not to mention, they literally own Deadline, The Hollywood Reporter, and Variety, and have been using each as a megaphone for months, for their own causes. Penske Media owns all three outlets, Jay Penske is a member of the AMPTP, and has been using his companies to "leak" pro-AMPTP talking points, and peddle ridiculously bias narratives, since all the way back in April.

That, and Warner Bros. Discovery owns CNN, while NBCUniversal owns MSNBC.

But please, tell me more about how the writers/actors are "controlling the narrative."
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9:56p, 8/30/23
Maybe it's due to the media/news I consume but I've heard way more about the UPS strike and the pending UAW strike. If it wasn't for this thread I'm not even* sure I would know about this strike.
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In reply to TCTTS • 9:22a, 8/31/23
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No one is keeping the studios from being just as vocal, or from attempting to "control the narrative" however they see fit. If anything, they have far more money and far more power.

Not to mention, they literally own Deadline, The Hollywood Reporter, and Variety, and have been using each as a megaphone for months, for their own causes. Penske Media owns all three outlets, Jay Penske is a member of the AMPTP, and has been using his companies to "leak" pro-AMPTP talking points, and peddle ridiculously bias narratives, since all the way back in April.

That, and Warner Bros. Discovery owns CNN, while NBCUniversal owns MSNBC.

But please, tell me more about how the writers/actors are "controlling the narrative."
on a somewhat recent episode of The Watch podcast, andy was explaining that the unions were all up in arms because after a negotiation session, the studios released some details of their latest offer. i was surprised the union would be upset by that considering they've been doing that all along.

as andy explained it though, it seems labor laws require the studios to deal only with the union's designated committee and putting stuff in the press could be interpreted to attempting to negotiate with union members and bypassing the committee.

i'm not a labor attorney, so this could be 100% wrong... just passing along what i heard.
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In reply to TCTTS • 9:52a, 8/31/23
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Luckily, these things aren't solved by polls or a vote. They have nothing at stake.
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In reply to jackie childs • 9:53a, 8/31/23
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jackie childs said:
TCTTS said:
No one is keeping the studios from being just as vocal, or from attempting to "control the narrative" however they see fit. If anything, they have far more money and far more power.

Not to mention, they literally own Deadline, The Hollywood Reporter, and Variety, and have been using each as a megaphone for months, for their own causes. Penske Media owns all three outlets, Jay Penske is a member of the AMPTP, and has been using his companies to "leak" pro-AMPTP talking points, and peddle ridiculously bias narratives, since all the way back in April.

That, and Warner Bros. Discovery owns CNN, while NBCUniversal owns MSNBC.

But please, tell me more about how the writers/actors are "controlling the narrative."
on a somewhat recent episode of The Watch podcast, andy was explaining that the unions were all up in arms because after a negotiation session, the studios released some details of their latest offer. i was surprised the union would be upset by that considering they've been doing that all along.

as andy explained it though, it seems labor laws require the studios to deal only with the union's designated committee and putting stuff in the press could be interpreted to attempting to negotiate with union members and bypassing the committee.

i'm not a labor attorney, so this could be 100% wrong... just passing along what i heard.
The NLRB is a joke. They should be eliminated for the good of the country.
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In reply to TCTTS • 9:13p, 9/1/23
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Why have they lost? I really don't know anyone who cares about this strike at all.
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In reply to Wildmen06 • 10:19p, 9/1/23
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Because the writers/actors can and will outlast the studios, the studios know it, and the writers/actors don't have third quarter earnings reports coming up, with hell to pay for producing hardly any content going on 120+ days now.

Also, thank you for being the umpteenth poster to let us know, on an entertainment message board, how little you or those you know care about the strikes. The insight you've provided in that regard is invaluable.
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In reply to TCTTS • 8:25a, 9/2/23
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TCTTS said:
Because the writers/actors can and will outlast the studios, the studios know it, and the writers/actors don't have third quarter earnings reports coming up, with hell to pay for producing hardly any content going on 120+ days now.

Also, thank you for being the umpteenth poster to let us know, on an entertainment message board, how little you or those you know care about the strikes. The insight you've provided in that regard is invaluable.


Dude you are turning into an insufferable poster. What's with the constant know-it-all demeaning attitude?
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