Writers Guild strike 2023

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You should read the full statement and not just what that article summarizes because it misses some key points.

If you're having AI write a whole story with characters, plot, etc. and then editing that work it doesn't appear as though that would qualify.
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TCTTS said:

This Saturday's SNL is now cancelled too. Seeing as there were only three episodes/weeks left this season, it probably won't return until September/October now…




Best news I've ever heard.
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Really, why?
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$100 says it has something to do with the fact that all late night talk show hosts are "libs," and thus them being silenced is a good thing. Or, he hates SNL now because it's too one-sided/not as as good as it was whenever he was in high school. Either way, it's almost assuredly a virtue signal drive by, for which this thread is natural target.
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I mean, they are though.
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Capybara said:

Having used GPT-4 to tinker with a few ideas, it's too restrictive to ever unravel a lasting voice or allow you to breathe in this context.
You are using the infancy of this to inform your opinion. It's too restrictive now. It's only going to get smarter and more adaptive. The doomsday scenario is that it overtakes all of our jobs, and I hope it won't ever get to that point. But I do think that things like the arts - which are beautiful and often lucrative, but are not vital to human life - are among the first industries that will really feel the impact of this, unfortunately.
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Sea Speed said:

I mean, they are though.


It's true.

They were so conflicted when Trump lost.

On the one hand, their lefty puppet won the White House.

On the other hand, they now had to actually think up fresh ideas for material and do some real creative writing.
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BowSowy said:

Capybara said:

Having used GPT-4 to tinker with a few ideas, it's too restrictive to ever unravel a lasting voice or allow you to breathe in this context.
You are using the infancy of this to inform your opinion. It's too restrictive now. It's only going to get smarter and more adaptive. The doomsday scenario is that it overtakes all of our jobs, and I hope it won't ever get to that point. But I do think that things like the arts - which are beautiful and often lucrative, but are not vital to human life - are among the first industries that will really feel the impact of this, unfortunately.
Please never tell anyone in person that the arts aren't vital to human life. Vitality itself is art.
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I did, and it is still possible. The premise of the guidance is that you can't just give an AI a prompt and include that work because you didn't really have a hand in creating it. You can make additions and edits that are copyrighted as human input, but anything coming from an AI has to be through your creative control to be copyrightable.

Dropping a prompt for an AI and using the generated content as is is far different than using it as a tool to form and shape an end product through iterative creation and personal editing. According to the guidance, "In each case, what matters is the extent to which the human has creative control over the work's expression and 'actually formed' the traditional elements of authorship." Dropping a prompt is not considered creative control because the end result wasn't really up to you. Dropping a prompt and then forcing edits and changes until it suits your needs and then editing that product is far different because you've guided and controlled the creative process. The AI was just a tool along the way that you manipulated through prompts and inputs to get what you want.

Alternatively, you can use the AI for suggestions and options and amalgamate it's outputs as you see fit. There end result could bear little resemblance to any singular output from the AI because they were all just jumping off points that lead to further development.

And last but not least, just don't say anything about it.
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Arts aren't vital to human life. There. I said it
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Storytelling (aka art) is a vital part of empathy, and empathy is vital to the survival of the human race. Without it, we would be incapable of seeing beyond ourselves and our own self-interests. That, and we've literally been telling stories since the dawn of man, going back to cave paintings and the constellations, which were right there alongside hunting, gathering, sex, fire, and shelter. Storytelling was, is, and always will be the only way we can make any sense of the world, our place in it, and keep from going bash*t insane.

I'm sorry, but if you don't see that as vital, I don't know what to tell you.
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ABATTBQ11 said:

Arts aren't vital to human life. There. I said it


Depends on how you define life. Existence? Sure you don't need art. Actually living and thriving? I think art is critical to that type of living.
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Have we already talked about Gilroy basically being labeled a scab?

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TCTTS said:

Storytelling (aka art) is a vital part of empathy, and empathy is vital to the survival of the human race. Without it, we would be incapable of seeing beyond ourselves and our own self-interests. That, and we've literally been telling stories since the dawn of man, going back to cave paintings and the constellations, which were right there alongside hunting, gathering, sex, fire, and shelter. Storytelling was, is, and always will be the only way we can make any sense of the world, our place in it, and keep from going bash*t insane.

I'm sorry, but if you don't see that as vital, I don't know what to tell you.

Is it technically vital? No. Is it a natural result of life? Absolutely.

I think what's happening here is too much generalization...and what folks are saying is more specific to "Hollywood" is not vital to human life for those of us not losing any sleep over a Hollywood shutdown and writers strike.

If Hollywood were to disappear off the face of the Earth tomorrow and everyone associated with it, something else would come in it's place as it's in our nature to create through music, poetry, painting, writing, photography, you name it....

If we were to somehow lose the desire to create, I'd expect things would be looking pretty bleak....
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TCTTS said:

$100 says it has something to do with the fact that all late night talk show hosts are "libs," and thus them being silenced is a good thing. Or, he hates SNL now because it's too one-sided/not as as good as it was whenever he was in high school. Either way, it's almost assuredly a virtue signal drive by, for which this thread is natural target.


It's all trash, as is Hollywood. So few original ideas the last few decades. Late night, SNL, all garbage that really isn't worth the effort as it's just rehashed talking points. You can add the majority of sitcoms and nearly all movies. MCU phase 4 has been one soft steaming turd. But the big part is how self important they believe themselves to be. What other industry has half a dozen awards programs self produced to just jerk each other off?

Not a drive by, Hollywood is a big source of cultural rot.

If anyone needs to be entertained, pick up a book, learn a new hobby.
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Isn't this the main theme of Station Eleven?

FWIW, I agree. Just surviving is insufficient. Got a dose of that during peak COVID (shoutout Tiger King, The Last Dance, COD Warzone, and Bad Bunny's album).
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AlaskanAg99 said:

TCTTS said:

$100 says it has something to do with the fact that all late night talk show hosts are "libs," and thus them being silenced is a good thing. Or, he hates SNL now because it's too one-sided/not as as good as it was whenever he was in high school. Either way, it's almost assuredly a virtue signal drive by, for which this thread is natural target.


It's all trash, as is Hollywood. So few original ideas the last few decades. Late night, SNL, all garbage that really isn't worth the effort as it's just rehashed talking points. You can add the majority of sitcoms and nearly all movies. MCU phase 4 has been one soft steaming turd. But the big part is how self important they believe themselves to be. What other industry has half a dozen awards programs self produced to just jerk each other off?

Not a drive by, Hollywood is a big source of cultural rot.

If anyone needs to be entertained, pick up a book, learn a new hobby.
I mean, you jumped on a 10 day old thread you had yet to comment on to deliver a single sentence expressing glee that late night shows are off the air. That's a drive-by if I've ever seen one.

It's fine for you to feel this way, but always funny to me that people like you feel the need to lurk on these threads and jump in just to trash everything. No one's forcing you to watch anything Hollywood puts out.
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TCTTS said:

Storytelling (aka art) is a vital part of empathy, and empathy is vital to the survival of the human race. Without it, we would be incapable of seeing beyond ourselves and our own self-interests. That, and we've literally been telling stories since the dawn of man, going back to cave paintings and the constellations, which were right there alongside hunting, gathering, sex, fire, and shelter. Storytelling was, is, and always will be the only way we can make any sense of the world, our place in it, and keep from going bash*t insane.

I'm sorry, but if you don't see that as vital, I don't know what to tell you.
I'm confused. Are the writers not acting in their own self-interest?
Do these so-called storytellers not have empathy that the costs of their personal gains will be borne by all their consumers, which includes you and I? Are they incapable of seeing beyond themselves?

Empathy cuts both ways
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Olsen said:





This was probably a ploy by the AMPTP to disperse the crowd.
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bluefire579 said:

AlaskanAg99 said:

TCTTS said:

$100 says it has something to do with the fact that all late night talk show hosts are "libs," and thus them being silenced is a good thing. Or, he hates SNL now because it's too one-sided/not as as good as it was whenever he was in high school. Either way, it's almost assuredly a virtue signal drive by, for which this thread is natural target.


It's all trash, as is Hollywood. So few original ideas the last few decades. Late night, SNL, all garbage that really isn't worth the effort as it's just rehashed talking points. You can add the majority of sitcoms and nearly all movies. MCU phase 4 has been one soft steaming turd. But the big part is how self important they believe themselves to be. What other industry has half a dozen awards programs self produced to just jerk each other off?

Not a drive by, Hollywood is a big source of cultural rot.

If anyone needs to be entertained, pick up a book, learn a new hobby.
I mean, you jumped on a 10 day old thread you had yet to comment on to deliver a single sentence expressing glee that late night shows are off the air. That's a drive-by if I've ever seen one.

It's fine for you to feel this way, but always funny to me that people like you feel the need to lurk on these threads and jump in just to trash everything. No one's forcing you to watch anything Hollywood puts out.


Came looking for some concert info, just saw this thread yesterday so it's a stretch to say I was lurking.

I find it.hilarious people think thr majority of programming is teaching empathy when a large amount of it is directional and hypocritical. Buy I'm supposed to be sad late night hacks have so little talent they resort to juggling? Clowns.

Best of luck, probably need to develop another marketable skillset.
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PatAg said:

Is there a chance Capybara is just a ChatGPT based poster? It reads like fanction
It looked like it. Even included the bit about not being able to have children based on sexual orientation.

Looks like the AI didn't know about Mayor Pete or couldn't process it.
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bluefire579 said:

AlaskanAg99 said:

TCTTS said:

$100 says it has something to do with the fact that all late night talk show hosts are "libs," and thus them being silenced is a good thing. Or, he hates SNL now because it's too one-sided/not as as good as it was whenever he was in high school. Either way, it's almost assuredly a virtue signal drive by, for which this thread is natural target.


It's all trash, as is Hollywood. So few original ideas the last few decades. Late night, SNL, all garbage that really isn't worth the effort as it's just rehashed talking points. You can add the majority of sitcoms and nearly all movies. MCU phase 4 has been one soft steaming turd. But the big part is how self important they believe themselves to be. What other industry has half a dozen awards programs self produced to just jerk each other off?

Not a drive by, Hollywood is a big source of cultural rot.

If anyone needs to be entertained, pick up a book, learn a new hobby.
I mean, you jumped on a 10 day old thread you had yet to comment on to deliver a single sentence expressing glee that late night shows are off the air. That's a drive-by if I've ever seen one.

It's fine for you to feel this way, but always funny to me that people like you feel the need to lurk on these threads and jump in just to trash everything. No one's forcing you to watch anything Hollywood puts out.
And these Hollywood Writer types get all giddy when oil hits $20/bbl and everybody in George W Bush country is out of work.

It's just human nature to want to gloat. Especially when something appears self-inflicted like a strike.

Personally, I'm getting tired of the horn honking but I hope the writers get their demands met soon.
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double aught said:

ABATTBQ11 said:


This may not be feasible yet, but look at how far digital effects have come since Jurassic Park and think what could be possible in another 30+ years.

I guess. But those Jurassic Park effects still hold up to me.


1993:


2001:
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Olsen said:





Man that is a low blow by AMPTP to subject the strikers to such horrendous noise. Fighting dirty
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HollywoodBQ said:

bluefire579 said:

AlaskanAg99 said:

TCTTS said:

$100 says it has something to do with the fact that all late night talk show hosts are "libs," and thus them being silenced is a good thing. Or, he hates SNL now because it's too one-sided/not as as good as it was whenever he was in high school. Either way, it's almost assuredly a virtue signal drive by, for which this thread is natural target.


It's all trash, as is Hollywood. So few original ideas the last few decades. Late night, SNL, all garbage that really isn't worth the effort as it's just rehashed talking points. You can add the majority of sitcoms and nearly all movies. MCU phase 4 has been one soft steaming turd. But the big part is how self important they believe themselves to be. What other industry has half a dozen awards programs self produced to just jerk each other off?

Not a drive by, Hollywood is a big source of cultural rot.

If anyone needs to be entertained, pick up a book, learn a new hobby.
I mean, you jumped on a 10 day old thread you had yet to comment on to deliver a single sentence expressing glee that late night shows are off the air. That's a drive-by if I've ever seen one.

It's fine for you to feel this way, but always funny to me that people like you feel the need to lurk on these threads and jump in just to trash everything. No one's forcing you to watch anything Hollywood puts out.
And these Hollywood Writer types get all giddy when oil hits $20/bbl and everybody in George W Bush country is out of work.

It's just human nature to want to gloat. Especially when something appears self-inflicted like a strike.

Personally, I'm getting tired of the horn honking but I hope the writers get their demands met soon.


Hollywood Writer type here whose family is *also* in the oil business and would love nothing more than to see oil over $100/bbl again.
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Since none of you know me IRL, I can say this with full confidence: I like Imagine Dragons. Yeah, there, I said it. Screw you all.

That being said... AI could definitely write their songs. Probably already has.
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TCTTS said:

HollywoodBQ said:

bluefire579 said:

AlaskanAg99 said:

TCTTS said:

$100 says it has something to do with the fact that all late night talk show hosts are "libs," and thus them being silenced is a good thing. Or, he hates SNL now because it's too one-sided/not as as good as it was whenever he was in high school. Either way, it's almost assuredly a virtue signal drive by, for which this thread is natural target.


It's all trash, as is Hollywood. So few original ideas the last few decades. Late night, SNL, all garbage that really isn't worth the effort as it's just rehashed talking points. You can add the majority of sitcoms and nearly all movies. MCU phase 4 has been one soft steaming turd. But the big part is how self important they believe themselves to be. What other industry has half a dozen awards programs self produced to just jerk each other off?

Not a drive by, Hollywood is a big source of cultural rot.

If anyone needs to be entertained, pick up a book, learn a new hobby.
I mean, you jumped on a 10 day old thread you had yet to comment on to deliver a single sentence expressing glee that late night shows are off the air. That's a drive-by if I've ever seen one.

It's fine for you to feel this way, but always funny to me that people like you feel the need to lurk on these threads and jump in just to trash everything. No one's forcing you to watch anything Hollywood puts out.
And these Hollywood Writer types get all giddy when oil hits $20/bbl and everybody in George W Bush country is out of work.

It's just human nature to want to gloat. Especially when something appears self-inflicted like a strike.

Personally, I'm getting tired of the horn honking but I hope the writers get their demands met soon.


Hollywood Writer type here whose family is *also* in the oil business and would love nothing more than to see oil over $100/bbl again.
I learned years ago that if I'm going to survive in Los Angeles, I should not try to explain energy to anybody.
Just keep quiet and pay my $3.50 at the pump. Of course now it's over $5 but the same concept applies.

One of the funny ones from a screenwriter was back in 2006, I took my daughters on Spring Break to where I grew up in Alaska. This lady was a fellow parent of one of my daughter's classmates.

She told me I should "see Alaska before George W Bush destroys it".

I asked her if she had ever been to Alaska and of course the answer was no.
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canadiaggie said:

Since none of you know me IRL, I can say this with full confidence: I like Imagine Dragons. Yeah, there, I said it. Screw you all.

That being said... AI could definitely write their songs. Probably already has.
Now do AC/DC
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HollywoodBQ said:

canadiaggie said:

Since none of you know me IRL, I can say this with full confidence: I like Imagine Dragons. Yeah, there, I said it. Screw you all.

That being said... AI could definitely write their songs. Probably already has.
Now do AC/DC


I'm sick to death of people saying we've made 11 albums that sounds exactly the same, Infact, we've made 12 albums that sound exactly the same. - Angus Young
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Figures… someone else is paying for you to pursue this dream. I'm not even jealous, I'm blessed that way too!
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Nope. I earn a pay check every month from a notable Hollywood studio, for the ideas, projects, and services we provide. Sure, the higher oil prices go the better off my family is in general, and the more I'll inherit one day, but I'm currently making my own way in this industry, thank you very much.

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Yea I'm not sure how schmidthead made that leap in thinking
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I swear, do some of you even think before you type? Did you honestly think that was some type of compliment?
 
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